Death of the Middle Class and how YOU are Causing it.

NaughtyGeek

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Thanks for the edit Cogman, venting with no thought to grammar on my part. Didn't expect to go on as long as I did.



I once foolishly believed that reading/discussing politics on a board such as Anandtech would lead to doing so with individuals with a "greater than the average Joe" understanding of events transpiring in government and intelligent discussion of viable solutions might actually take place because of it. But, over the years, I've seen less and less intelligent discussion and more and more party talking points. Bu Bu But Bush, ZOMG Dems are spending us to oblivion Obama is a Kenyan Muslim etc....

Why are so many "smart" people so blind to the fact that D.C. is a plague upon this nation and (D) or (R) by someones name means absolutely nothing when it's all said and done(other than that particular individuals corporate sponsorship." An absurdly high amount of our "representation" has nothing more than big money donors interest's to consider and what we as a population need is irrelevant.

Instead of really wanting "change," most folks seem to be pretty content with "my guy is right and yours is wrong." These mostly career politicians DO NOT have your best interests at heart in general and so long as everyone continues to argue the talking point of the damn week real change is never going to happen because most people seem to buy that it's the other "side" that's to blame. The sides people seem to think exist really don't, the sides are apparently hidden.

Our government policy is set by the financial powers in this country(perhaps others as well) and so long as we continue turning a blind eye to it we're going to continue seeing midnight 1300 page bills released to be voted on in 4 hours and 1000 pages of shit that don't address the root causes of problems.

Most people in here seem to think that healthcare reform is necessary in some form due to accelerating costs and yet every proposal to come forth so far fails to address that core issue and yet there's those screaming for it because "we have to do something." What good is doing something if it doesn't address the root of the friggen problem?

So many folks supported saving the financial markets and yet turned a blind eye as legislation was rushed through that had no provisions for accountability of funds and allowed a long time member of the very industry that created the mess dole out funds as they felt necessary.

It's no mere coincidence that rivals of his alma mater were left to die while his "buddies" got the assistance they needed. If you missed it, the losses of GS were covered so they could continue to make money while all our 401s have been left in shambles.

"But we got the money back dummy so what's the issue?" Easy, our money was used to keep their investing power strong while everyone else was weak. Where would your 401/investment portfolio be right now if your loses had been negated when things were crap and you were allowed to use your initial stake in the market to ride it's recovery. (Hint, you'd have enough to pay back the losses + interest and still make a sizable profit.)

But instead of scratching our heads and saying "WTF is going on here" we cheer the effectiveness of the program that did nothing but get one over on us. On and on the list goes of "smart" people being blinded to the goings on in D.C. because they're too engrossed defending their "side." How is this ever going to get corrected when "individuals with a greater understanding than Joe sixpack" are still beholden to the system of blame deflection and not problem solving.

Smarter than the average Joe isn't getting there and the average Joe is a lost cause so where the hell is there any hope in this mess?

/rant
=depressed
 

StageLeft

No Lifer
Sep 29, 2000
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I got 40% way through, but seriously I am not going to bother reading it if you're not going to bother pressing enter a few times. I'd like to see what you have to say if you can reformat that.
 

Cogman

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Sep 19, 2000
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Originally posted by: NaughtyGeek
I once foolishly believed that reading/discussing politics on a board such as Anandtech would lead to doing so with individuals with a "greater than the average Joe" understanding of events transpiring in government and intelligent discussion of viable solutions might actually take place because of it. But, over the years, I've seen less and less intelligent discussion and more and more party talking points. Bu Bu But Bush, ZOMG Dems are spending us to oblivion Obama is a Kenyan Muslim etc....

Why are so many "smart" people so blind to the fact that D.C. is a plague upon this nation and (D) or (R) by someones name means absolutely nothing when it's all said and done(other than that particular individuals corporate sponsorship." An absurdly high amount of our "representation" has nothing more than big money donors interest's to consider and what we as a population need is irrelevant.

Instead of really wanting "change," most folks seem to be pretty content with "my guy is right and yours is wrong." These mostly career politicians DO NOT have your best interests at heart in general and so long as everyone continues to argue the talking point of the damn week real change is never going to happen because most people seem to buy that it's the other "side" that's to blame. The sides people seem to think exist really don't, the sides are apparently hidden.

Our government policy is set by the financial powers in this country(perhaps others as well) and so long as we continue turning a blind eye to it we're going to continue seeing midnight 1300 page bills released to be voted on in 4 hours and 1000 pages of shit that don't address the root causes of problems.

Most people in here seem to think that healthcare reform is necessary in some form due to accelerating costs and yet every proposal to come forth so far fails to address that core issue and yet there's those screaming for it because "we have to do something." What good is doing something if it doesn't address the root of the friggen problem?

So many folks supported saving the financial markets and yet turned a blind eye as legislation was rushed through that had no provisions for accountability of funds and allowed a long time member of the very industry that created the mess dole out funds as they felt necessary.

It's no mere coincidence that rivals of his alma mater were left to die while his "buddies" got the assistance they needed. If you missed it, the losses of GS were covered so they could continue to make money while all our 401s have been left in shambles.

"But we got the money back dummy so what's the issue?" Easy, our money was used to keep their investing power strong while everyone else was weak. Where would your 401/investment portfolio be right now if your loses had been negated when things were crap and you were allowed to use your initial stake in the market to ride it's recovery. (Hint, you'd have enough to pay back the losses + interest and still make a sizable profit.)

But instead of scratching our heads and saying "WTF is going on here" we cheer the effectiveness of the program that did nothing but get one over on us. On and on the list goes of "smart" people being blinded to the goings on in D.C. because they're too engrossed defending their "side." How is this ever going to get corrected when "individuals with a greater understanding than Joe sixpack" are still beholden to the system of blame deflection and not problem solving.

Smarter than the average Joe isn't getting there and the average Joe is a lost cause so where the hell is there any hope in this mess?

/rant
=depressed

Fixed for ya... And cliffs

* We focus too much on DC talking points.
* Both parties are the same and evil.
* Anandtech P/N is filled with people only willing to discuss whats on the news right now, and not the *REAL* problems.

Discuss
 

MotF Bane

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Dec 22, 2006
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Content was decent, but I couldn't feel it. That's some points off right there, and the formatting finishes the failing grade. 1/10.
 

StageLeft

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Thanks, cog.

Personally, P&N makes me much smarter and more aware of what's going on (well, it and the news). When I speak to people off P&N I know that I'm far more informed and it makes me feel better in my special places. However, perhaps I'm also getting wiser as I get older because I realize I'm more ignorant than not and still on a ship of fools, playing my part, and I'll never get off it. Maybe rise in rank a bit at the most :)
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: NaughtyGeek
But, over the years, I've seen less and less intelligent discussion and more and more party talking points.

/rant
=depressed

I fell ya but the intelligence of the country has declined precipitously over the last 10 years unfortunately.

It was all purposely designed to eliminate the middle class.

The rich just want them to be a small controlled group served by the rest of the peasant class.

Welcome to the new American Caste system.

 

Cogman

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Sep 19, 2000
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The older I've gotten, the more anti-party I've become. To say that there is any real difference between the two parties is a farce, both only care about lining their pockets as long as possible. To do that, they join the group they think they can get elected with and stick to the lines that got them there. But when in office, they couldn't care less the way they vote.
 

PJABBER

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Thanks for the thoughts, OP! Though you expressed in the form of a rant, I don't find any fault in that - your feelings come from having insight into the core problems this board and the country are having.

The P&N board is both an emotional outlet and an opportunity for discussion. It is too bad that rational discussion is overcome by partisanship here, but that is also the nature of discourse at the national level. You may have to skip over 9 out 10 posts to find nuggets of thought and insight, but they are there.

Real change can only come with intense debate and involved study and that is not happening. The huge volumes of legislation avoid the solving of real issues as they represent only the vested interests of the authors and their narrow partisan supporters.

In many ways, a contested body politic, a virtual stalemate of both parties, is the best we can hope for as it would then take a compromise and a consensus to pass legislation. That is not the case now with a One Party Democrat Government. I am not a Republican, but I do hope the Republicans regain some power to force the debate onto the facts rather than limit it to how best to reward the constituencies which will guarantee re-election to do it all over and over again.

BTW, who woke the grammar and formatting police this morning after they've somnambulated for the three weeks I have been posting here? :laugh:
 

BriGy86

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Agreed, This is why I say our country gets the government it deserves. Maybe if more people were informed, gave a damn, and knew who they were voting for we wouldn't have tax cheats running the IRS or people spending state money for there own little getaways.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: BriGy86
Agreed, This is why I say our country gets the government it deserves. Maybe if more people were informed, gave a damn, and knew who they were voting for we wouldn't have tax cheats running the IRS or people spending state money for there own little getaways.

They must vote for me or watch the country die. Their choice.
 

IndyColtsFan

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Sep 22, 2007
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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: BriGy86
Agreed, This is why I say our country gets the government it deserves. Maybe if more people were informed, gave a damn, and knew who they were voting for we wouldn't have tax cheats running the IRS or people spending state money for there own little getaways.

They must vote for me or watch the country die. Their choice.

Thanks Dave.......you gave me the best laugh I've had all day.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: blanghorst
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: BriGy86
Agreed, This is why I say our country gets the government it deserves. Maybe if more people were informed, gave a damn, and knew who they were voting for we wouldn't have tax cheats running the IRS or people spending state money for there own little getaways.

They must vote for me or watch the country die. Their choice.

Thanks Dave.......you gave me the best laugh I've had all day.

Go ahead, keep voting for great Americans like Bush, McCain, Palin :roll:
 

IndyColtsFan

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Sep 22, 2007
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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: blanghorst
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: BriGy86
Agreed, This is why I say our country gets the government it deserves. Maybe if more people were informed, gave a damn, and knew who they were voting for we wouldn't have tax cheats running the IRS or people spending state money for there own little getaways.

They must vote for me or watch the country die. Their choice.

Thanks Dave.......you gave me the best laugh I've had all day.

Go ahead, keep voting for great Americans like Bush, McCain, Palin :roll:

FYI -- I didn't vote for any of these guys.
 

Stuxnet

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Originally posted by: blanghorst
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: blanghorst
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: BriGy86
Agreed, This is why I say our country gets the government it deserves. Maybe if more people were informed, gave a damn, and knew who they were voting for we wouldn't have tax cheats running the IRS or people spending state money for there own little getaways.

They must vote for me or watch the country die. Their choice.

Thanks Dave.......you gave me the best laugh I've had all day.

Go ahead, keep voting for great Americans like Bush, McCain, Palin :roll:

FYI -- I didn't vote for any of these guys.

Obama is mysteriously missing from his list, of course ;)

Gee, could Dave perhaps epitomize what the OP is referring to?
 

BriGy86

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Originally posted by: blanghorst
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: blanghorst
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: BriGy86
Agreed, This is why I say our country gets the government it deserves. Maybe if more people were informed, gave a damn, and knew who they were voting for we wouldn't have tax cheats running the IRS or people spending state money for there own little getaways.

They must vote for me or watch the country die. Their choice.

Thanks Dave.......you gave me the best laugh I've had all day.

Go ahead, keep voting for great Americans like Bush, McCain, Palin :roll:

FYI -- I didn't vote for any of these guys.

I made a vow to vote 3rd party from now on and urge others to do the same (see sig.) Hell, even if you vote for the communist party at least they're forward about their intentions.
 

Specop 007

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: NaughtyGeek
But, over the years, I've seen less and less intelligent discussion and more and more party talking points.

/rant
=depressed

I fell ya but the intelligence of the country has declined precipitously over the last 10 years unfortunately.

It was all purposely designed to eliminate the middle class.

The rich just want them to be a small controlled group served by the rest of the peasant class.

Welcome to the new American Caste system.

Fuck you you traitor.

YOU are one of the people that want everything given to you. This bullshit about feigned concern at the middle class, what a load of bullshit.

You realize that its the middle class that carry a large burden of all your dreamy social programs that help the lazy fucking bums in this country right??

YOU are the problem Dave. The lazy people who vote in people who promise to give them someone elses money.
 

dmcowen674

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Oct 13, 1999
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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: NaughtyGeek
But, over the years, I've seen less and less intelligent discussion and more and more party talking points.

/rant
=depressed

I fell ya but the intelligence of the country has declined precipitously over the last 10 years unfortunately.

It was all purposely designed to eliminate the middle class.

The rich just want them to be a small controlled group served by the rest of the peasant class.

Welcome to the new American Caste system.

Fuck you you traitor.

YOU are one of the people that want everything given to you. This bullshit about feigned concern at the middle class, what a load of bullshit.

You realize that its the middle class that carry a large burden of all
your dreamy social programs that help the lazy fucking bums in this country right??

YOU are the problem Dave. The lazy people who vote in people who promise to give them someone elses money.

Call me what you want but I sure bring out the anti-American hate in you. :p
 

Engineer

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Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: NaughtyGeek
But, over the years, I've seen less and less intelligent discussion and more and more party talking points.

/rant
=depressed

I fell ya but the intelligence of the country has declined precipitously over the last 10 years unfortunately.

It was all purposely designed to eliminate the middle class.

The rich just want them to be a small controlled group served by the rest of the peasant class.

Welcome to the new American Caste system.

Fuck you you traitor.

YOU are one of the people that want everything given to you. This bullshit about feigned concern at the middle class, what a load of bullshit.

You realize that its the middle class that carry a large burden of all your dreamy social programs that help the lazy fucking bums in this country right??

YOU are the problem Dave. The lazy people who vote in people who promise to give them someone elses money.

:laugh:

Rant much? Didn't I see you on TV at one of the townhall meetings earlier? :shocked:

:p

 

dmcowen674

No Lifer
Oct 13, 1999
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Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: NaughtyGeek
But, over the years, I've seen less and less intelligent discussion and more and more party talking points.

/rant
=depressed

I fell ya but the intelligence of the country has declined precipitously over the last 10 years unfortunately.

It was all purposely designed to eliminate the middle class.

The rich just want them to be a small controlled group served by the rest of the peasant class.

Welcome to the new American Caste system.

Fuck you you traitor.

YOU are one of the people that want everything given to you. This bullshit about feigned concern at the middle class, what a load of bullshit.

You realize that its the middle class that carry a large burden of all your dreamy social programs that help the lazy fucking bums in this country right??

YOU are the problem Dave. The lazy people who vote in people who promise to give them someone elses money.

:laugh:

Rant much? Didn't I see you on TV at one of the townhall meetings earlier? :shocked:

:p

Shit I thought he looked familiar
 

StageLeft

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: BriGy86
Agreed, This is why I say our country gets the government it deserves. Maybe if more people were informed, gave a damn, and knew who they were voting for we wouldn't have tax cheats running the IRS or people spending state money for there own little getaways.

They must vote for me or watch the country die. Their choice.
Vote for you for what office?