death of floppys, zip disks, etc?

[Platypus]

Originally posted by: yoda291

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation

Originally posted by: yoda291

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
How can people say floppy disks are going to die or that they should?

Have you ever put critical data on a floppy disk and then had the disk fail on you? I have about a 1000+ dead floppies from those situations somewhere in storage for my records I can show you...collected over the past 3 years.

I guess you don't work with computers that are broken very often

and you would be wrong there sir.
I have to troubleshoot PCs and deal with several small business networks daily as well as performing basic data recovery as a service to my clients.

Thanks for playing, Come back soon!
🙂

Ah, I guess you've never had to fix an installation of windows or linux then, because I mean hey, who needs boot disks or recovery products.

 

[yoda291]

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation

Originally posted by: yoda291

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation

Originally posted by: yoda291

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
How can people say floppy disks are going to die or that they should?

Have you ever put critical data on a floppy disk and then had the disk fail on you? I have about a 1000+ dead floppies from those situations somewhere in storage for my records I can show you...collected over the past 3 years.

I guess you don't work with computers that are broken very often

and you would be wrong there sir.
I have to troubleshoot PCs and deal with several small business networks daily as well as performing basic data recovery as a service to my clients.

Thanks for playing, Come back soon!
🙂

Ah, I guess you've never had to fix an installation of windows or linux then, because I mean hey, who needs boot disks or recovery products.

Two words for you: bootable CD.

Silly Corporate.

 

[Platypus]

Originally posted by: yoda291

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation

Originally posted by: yoda291

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation

Originally posted by: yoda291

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
How can people say floppy disks are going to die or that they should?

Have you ever put critical data on a floppy disk and then had the disk fail on you? I have about a 1000+ dead floppies from those situations somewhere in storage for my records I can show you...collected over the past 3 years.

I guess you don't work with computers that are broken very often

and you would be wrong there sir.
I have to troubleshoot PCs and deal with several small business networks daily as well as performing basic data recovery as a service to my clients.

Thanks for playing, Come back soon!
🙂

Ah, I guess you've never had to fix an installation of windows or linux then, because I mean hey, who needs boot disks or recovery products.

Two words for you: bootable CD.

Silly Corporate.

Hmm wouldn't it be great if all computers had operating systems with drivers that were able to recognize bootable CDs without the help of a boot floppy? Or what if, now stay with me here, you want to fix a copy of windows but you cannot because it is corrupt and will not run recovery console off your wonderful "bootable CD"? These questions and more on 60 minutes.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Floppy's will soon die out. A few Industrial software companies are holding things up for some of us though. Dasm Rockwell/A-B and their "master disk" floppy crap.

CkG

 

[theNEOone]

Originally posted by: Anubis
i used my floppy drive 5 times last week for transfering files to computers. waste of a CD if its a 30K file and why buy a USB drive when i allready have a floppy and a Zip drive. as well as a CDRW and a DVD +-R/+-RW

lol, i couldn't help but chuckle when i read that. why have different drives/media for different tasks, when all you need is one. (minus the DVD writer, of course.) besides, writing a 30k file to a floppy takes about 10 times longer that it should.

option 1:
[*]usb drive

option 2:
[*]floppy drive
[*]floppy disk (x 100)(x number of years of usage)
[*]zip drive
[*]zip disk
[*]cdrw drive
[*]cdr

tough choice there.

=|

 

[yoda291]

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation

Originally posted by: yoda291

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation

Originally posted by: yoda291

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation

Originally posted by: yoda291

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
How can people say floppy disks are going to die or that they should?

Have you ever put critical data on a floppy disk and then had the disk fail on you? I have about a 1000+ dead floppies from those situations somewhere in storage for my records I can show you...collected over the past 3 years.

I guess you don't work with computers that are broken very often

and you would be wrong there sir.
I have to troubleshoot PCs and deal with several small business networks daily as well as performing basic data recovery as a service to my clients.

Thanks for playing, Come back soon!
🙂

Ah, I guess you've never had to fix an installation of windows or linux then, because I mean hey, who needs boot disks or recovery products.

Two words for you: bootable CD.

Silly Corporate.

Hmm wouldn't it be great if all computers had operating systems with drivers that were able to recognize bootable CDs without the help of a boot floppy? Or what if, now stay with me here, you want to fix a copy of windows but you cannot because it is corrupt and will not run recovery console off your wonderful "bootable CD"? These questions and more on 60 minutes.

Have you ever booted from a CD before? Recovery console will run off the CD and the OS you find on the hard drive will not get loaded into memory. So, and stick with me here, if the filesystem hasn't gone shot and the data you need isn't one of those corrupt system files....you're good to go! I mean, if you needed an OS to boot off CD, how would you install anything onto a blank drive?

and to answer your question.
Emergency recovery disk commander 2003 -- worth every penny and it is a bootable CD.
or do an in place install of windows to restore the original system binaries and libraries.
Or picobsd/microlinux rescue disk with ntfs support on bootable CD.

and if you mean that your actual CD is shot, that same argument applies to whether or not your floppy has failed.

 

[MovingTarget]

Stop using floppies...NEVAR!!!! 😛 Seriously...I have so many drives and floppies just lined up all over the place from my old systems...why not still use them? There are quite a few people out there like that and add to the number of people who are just so used to them, and I dont see them going out of mainstream use for quite a few years...

 

[Platypus]

Originally posted by: yoda291

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation

Originally posted by: yoda291

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation

Originally posted by: yoda291

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation

Originally posted by: yoda291

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
How can people say floppy disks are going to die or that they should?

Have you ever put critical data on a floppy disk and then had the disk fail on you? I have about a 1000+ dead floppies from those situations somewhere in storage for my records I can show you...collected over the past 3 years.

I guess you don't work with computers that are broken very often

and you would be wrong there sir.
I have to troubleshoot PCs and deal with several small business networks daily as well as performing basic data recovery as a service to my clients.

Thanks for playing, Come back soon!
🙂

Ah, I guess you've never had to fix an installation of windows or linux then, because I mean hey, who needs boot disks or recovery products.

Two words for you: bootable CD.

Silly Corporate.

Hmm wouldn't it be great if all computers had operating systems with drivers that were able to recognize bootable CDs without the help of a boot floppy? Or what if, now stay with me here, you want to fix a copy of windows but you cannot because it is corrupt and will not run recovery console off your wonderful "bootable CD"? These questions and more on 60 minutes.

Have you ever booted from a CD before? Recovery console will run off the CD and the OS you find on the hard drive will not get loaded into memory. So, and stick with me here, if the filesystem hasn't gone shot and the data you need isn't one of those corrupt system files....you're good to go! I mean, if you needed an OS to boot off CD, how would you install anything onto a blank drive?

and to answer your question.
Emergency recovery disk commander 2003 -- worth every penny and it is a bootable CD.
or do an in place install of windows to restore the original system binaries and libraries.
Or picobsd/microlinux rescue disk with ntfs support on bootable CD.

and if you mean that your actual CD is shot, that same argument applies to whether or not your floppy has failed.

Not if files like ntfs.sys are corrupt, the CD will not work, you need to go one layer deeper. Yes, that file gets damaged quite often if you do a hard reboot on an NTFS box.

I can purchase your software, or I can download a 60kb application and put it on a 10cent floppy and have the same exact results with less work.

 

[MegaloManiaK]

When motherboards migrate totaly to bootable USB 2.0 ports the floppy/zip will be buried.

 

[yoda291]

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation

Originally posted by: yoda291

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation

Originally posted by: yoda291

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation

Originally posted by: yoda291

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation

Originally posted by: yoda291

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
How can people say floppy disks are going to die or that they should?

Have you ever put critical data on a floppy disk and then had the disk fail on you? I have about a 1000+ dead floppies from those situations somewhere in storage for my records I can show you...collected over the past 3 years.

I guess you don't work with computers that are broken very often

and you would be wrong there sir.
I have to troubleshoot PCs and deal with several small business networks daily as well as performing basic data recovery as a service to my clients.

Thanks for playing, Come back soon!
🙂

Ah, I guess you've never had to fix an installation of windows or linux then, because I mean hey, who needs boot disks or recovery products.

Two words for you: bootable CD.

Silly Corporate.

Hmm wouldn't it be great if all computers had operating systems with drivers that were able to recognize bootable CDs without the help of a boot floppy? Or what if, now stay with me here, you want to fix a copy of windows but you cannot because it is corrupt and will not run recovery console off your wonderful "bootable CD"? These questions and more on 60 minutes.

Have you ever booted from a CD before? Recovery console will run off the CD and the OS you find on the hard drive will not get loaded into memory. So, and stick with me here, if the filesystem hasn't gone shot and the data you need isn't one of those corrupt system files....you're good to go! I mean, if you needed an OS to boot off CD, how would you install anything onto a blank drive?

and to answer your question.
Emergency recovery disk commander 2003 -- worth every penny and it is a bootable CD.
or do an in place install of windows to restore the original system binaries and libraries.
Or picobsd/microlinux rescue disk with ntfs support on bootable CD.

and if you mean that your actual CD is shot, that same argument applies to whether or not your floppy has failed.

Not if files like ntfs.sys are corrupt, the CD will not work, you need to go one layer deeper. Yes, that file gets damaged quite often if you do a hard reboot on an NTFS box.

I can purchase your software, or I can download a 60kb application and put it on a 10cent floppy and have the same exact results with less work.

ok corporate... I see your point but how do you download that 60k application if your OS doesn't boot? Or perhaps it's a network wide corruption of that single file? (Bad image deployment maybe?) Need another computer eh? I think it might be easier if I dropped in a picoBSD rescue disk with ntfs support and just register and copy it down that way.

 

[Platypus]

Originally posted by: yoda291

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation

Originally posted by: yoda291

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation

Originally posted by: yoda291

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation

Originally posted by: yoda291

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation

Originally posted by: yoda291

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
How can people say floppy disks are going to die or that they should?

Have you ever put critical data on a floppy disk and then had the disk fail on you? I have about a 1000+ dead floppies from those situations somewhere in storage for my records I can show you...collected over the past 3 years.

I guess you don't work with computers that are broken very often

and you would be wrong there sir.
I have to troubleshoot PCs and deal with several small business networks daily as well as performing basic data recovery as a service to my clients.

Thanks for playing, Come back soon!
🙂

Ah, I guess you've never had to fix an installation of windows or linux then, because I mean hey, who needs boot disks or recovery products.

Two words for you: bootable CD.

Silly Corporate.

Hmm wouldn't it be great if all computers had operating systems with drivers that were able to recognize bootable CDs without the help of a boot floppy? Or what if, now stay with me here, you want to fix a copy of windows but you cannot because it is corrupt and will not run recovery console off your wonderful "bootable CD"? These questions and more on 60 minutes.

Have you ever booted from a CD before? Recovery console will run off the CD and the OS you find on the hard drive will not get loaded into memory. So, and stick with me here, if the filesystem hasn't gone shot and the data you need isn't one of those corrupt system files....you're good to go! I mean, if you needed an OS to boot off CD, how would you install anything onto a blank drive?

and to answer your question.
Emergency recovery disk commander 2003 -- worth every penny and it is a bootable CD.
or do an in place install of windows to restore the original system binaries and libraries.
Or picobsd/microlinux rescue disk with ntfs support on bootable CD.

and if you mean that your actual CD is shot, that same argument applies to whether or not your floppy has failed.

Not if files like ntfs.sys are corrupt, the CD will not work, you need to go one layer deeper. Yes, that file gets damaged quite often if you do a hard reboot on an NTFS box.

I can purchase your software, or I can download a 60kb application and put it on a 10cent floppy and have the same exact results with less work.

ok corporate... I see your point but how do you download that 60k application if your OS doesn't boot? Or perhaps it's a network wide corruption of that single file? (Bad image deployment maybe?) Need another computer eh? I think it might be easier if I dropped in a picoBSD rescue disk with ntfs support and just register and copy it down that way.

Now you're just looking for a way to need the CD. Yes I agree your methods are easier than keeping around floppies, but for single time fixes on people's computers, it's a lot easier to load a floppy that you already have into their computer to fix it. My point here is that floppies are still very useful.

 

[Cyberian]

death of floppys, zip disks, etc?

I just saw a unit similar to this one in CompUSA.

Seemed like a really good idea to me.

Imation

 

[beer]

Originally posted by: BlackOmen

Originally posted by: NeoPTLD
Zip=click of death

 

[yoda291]

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation

Originally posted by: yoda291

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation

Originally posted by: yoda291

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation

Originally posted by: yoda291

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation

Originally posted by: yoda291

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation

Originally posted by: yoda291

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
How can people say floppy disks are going to die or that they should?

Have you ever put critical data on a floppy disk and then had the disk fail on you? I have about a 1000+ dead floppies from those situations somewhere in storage for my records I can show you...collected over the past 3 years.

I guess you don't work with computers that are broken very often

and you would be wrong there sir.
I have to troubleshoot PCs and deal with several small business networks daily as well as performing basic data recovery as a service to my clients.

Thanks for playing, Come back soon!
🙂

Ah, I guess you've never had to fix an installation of windows or linux then, because I mean hey, who needs boot disks or recovery products.

Two words for you: bootable CD.

Silly Corporate.

Hmm wouldn't it be great if all computers had operating systems with drivers that were able to recognize bootable CDs without the help of a boot floppy? Or what if, now stay with me here, you want to fix a copy of windows but you cannot because it is corrupt and will not run recovery console off your wonderful "bootable CD"? These questions and more on 60 minutes.

Have you ever booted from a CD before? Recovery console will run off the CD and the OS you find on the hard drive will not get loaded into memory. So, and stick with me here, if the filesystem hasn't gone shot and the data you need isn't one of those corrupt system files....you're good to go! I mean, if you needed an OS to boot off CD, how would you install anything onto a blank drive?

and to answer your question.
Emergency recovery disk commander 2003 -- worth every penny and it is a bootable CD.
or do an in place install of windows to restore the original system binaries and libraries.
Or picobsd/microlinux rescue disk with ntfs support on bootable CD.

and if you mean that your actual CD is shot, that same argument applies to whether or not your floppy has failed.

Not if files like ntfs.sys are corrupt, the CD will not work, you need to go one layer deeper. Yes, that file gets damaged quite often if you do a hard reboot on an NTFS box.

I can purchase your software, or I can download a 60kb application and put it on a 10cent floppy and have the same exact results with less work.

ok corporate... I see your point but how do you download that 60k application if your OS doesn't boot? Or perhaps it's a network wide corruption of that single file? (Bad image deployment maybe?) Need another computer eh? I think it might be easier if I dropped in a picoBSD rescue disk with ntfs support and just register and copy it down that way.

Now you're just looking for a way to need the CD. Yes I agree your methods are easier than keeping around floppies, but for single time fixes on people's computers, it's a lot easier to load a floppy that you already have into their computer to fix it. My point here is that floppies are still very useful.

I see your point that it could be easier just to boot a system off floppy if it's already installed in there...but my point is that it is neither necessary and that it is actually preferable to use alternatives considering the track records floppies have in holding data integrity and their relative fragility. At least it is when you talk in terms of troubleshooting where you deal with myriad systems and luxuries such as a networked working PC nearby may not be available. and I hardly think it's stretching to ask how to download something using a system with a corrupt OS.

 

[Tetsuo]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Floppy = BIOS flash tool

- M4H

^

I just burn a rw if I need something