Death can't exist for a subject

[moonbogg]

http://www.naturalism.org/death.htm

Read it. I buy it because it can't be any other way, and its comforting and is well inline with my own thinking. The author lays it out better than I could, but few of you will actually read it or care. For those who do, good for you.

 

[justoh]

I have a question. How is it comforting? Assume i read it.

 

[moonbogg]

I have a question. How is it comforting? Assume i read it.

Because only life can be experienced. I didn't exist before I was born, but here I am now. I didn't experience non existence. I only know what life is like and when I no longer exist it will be like before I was born. Having done it once makes doing it again not such a big deal. Beyond my own boundaries, nothing exists to be experienced. Only life exists for me. I just popped into existence without even having to try, like a cosmic "easy button".

 

[MongGrel]

Sure it can.

 

[Murloc]

Because only life can be experienced. I didn't exist before I was born, but here I am now. I didn't experience non existence. I only know what life is like and when I no longer exist it will be like before I was born.

I guess pretty much everybody who doesn't believe in afterlife thinks like this?


It not being a big deal is not true though, we're biologically wired to not want to die.

 

[IronWing]

Well if there is no eternal nothingness when am I going to have time catch up on all my reading?

 

[justoh]

Because only life can be experienced. I didn't exist before I was born, but here I am now. I didn't experience non existence. I only know what life is like and when I no longer exist it will be like before I was born. Having done it once makes doing it again not such a big deal. Beyond my own boundaries, nothing exists to be experienced. Only life exists for me. I just popped into existence without even having to try, like a cosmic "easy button".

I don't know. If this subjectivity thing is life, then everything you've stated is either tautological or confusing/ambiguous. Literally every sentence.

You haven't explained how any of it is actually comforting.

 

[moonbogg]

I don't know. If this subjectivity thing is life, then everything you've stated is either tautological or confusing/ambiguous. Literally every sentence.

You haven't explained how any of it is actually comforting.

I don't care if you are comforted. Go find your own comfort.

 

[1prophet]

Because only life can be experienced. I didn't exist before I was born, but here I am now. I didn't experience non existence. I only know what life is like and when I no longer exist it will be like before I was born. Having done it once makes doing it again not such a big deal. Beyond my own boundaries, nothing exists to be experienced. Only life exists for me. I just popped into existence without even having to try, like a cosmic "easy button".

Eat and drink and be merry for tomorrow you may die,

just make sure you have the most toys before hand so you can claim victory.

 

[Greenman]

It seems to me his entire thesis is based on our interpretation of nothingness.
Just because you can state a contradictory situation doesn't make it valid. As an example, the paradoxical question of what happens when irresistible force meets an immovable object uses mutually exclusive terms, so the question is meaningless. It's a failure of understanding the concepts behind the language.

 

[justoh]

I don't care if you are comforted. Go find your own comfort.

Well, thanks for the commentary, but i was asking why you were comforted, not looking for any. You appear to not understand your own link, it should be pointed out. I think that's why you're afraid to elaborate on how you find it comforting.

 

[HeXen]

I think the author in the link took too much LSD or is the worst at authoring. Either way, what little I could read without distraction doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

 

[justoh]

I think the author in the link took too much LSD or is the worst at authoring. Either way, what little I could read without distraction doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

What we all are is something experiencing awareness, or consciousness, or "subjectivity;"

awareness/consciousness itself is immune to death, i guess, as long as there's always some kind of thinking thing around to bring about this awareness...ness;

err, we're supposed to identify with this awareness idea instead of who we "are," for reasons neither the author or op explain, other than provide us with some thought experiment involving personality transformation to, i guess demonstrate the insignificance of the subject doing the experiencing, and then this could potentially help us cope, or something.

Basically it's like personality communism, transcending time and space - the author mentions galaxies far, far away.

 

[Greenman]

What we all are is something experiencing awareness, or consciousness, or "subjectivity;"

awareness/consciousness itself is immune to death, i guess, as long as there's always some kind of thinking thing around to bring about this awareness...ness;

err, we're supposed to identify with this awareness idea instead of who we "are," for reasons neither the author or op explain, other than provide us with some thought experiment involving personality transformation to, i guess demonstrate the insignificance of the subject doing the experiencing, and then this could potentially help us cope, or something.

Basically it's like personality communism, transcending time and space - the author mentions galaxies far, far away.

I think I follow what you're saying, but to be honest it wasn't a whole lot more clear than the article. Not that I did any better.

 

[moonbogg]

What we all are is something experiencing awareness, or consciousness, or "subjectivity;"

awareness/consciousness itself is immune to death, i guess, as long as there's always some kind of thinking thing around to bring about this awareness...ness;

err, we're supposed to identify with this awareness idea instead of who we "are," for reasons neither the author or op explain, other than provide us with some thought experiment involving personality transformation to, i guess demonstrate the insignificance of the subject doing the experiencing, and then this could potentially help us cope, or something.

Basically it's like personality communism, transcending time and space - the author mentions galaxies far, far away.

That's why I am comforted. Life goes on and as far as "I" am concerned, the ego is illusory. I am a thing, a phenomenon, a process. I happened once and I'll happen again. Nothing takes place on the other side of life. There is only this side and I have no choice but to stay right here, either as me or someone else it doesn't matter.

 

[OverVolt]

Yes he is a hard subject to capture with the reaper sickle, black cloak and since he is animated bones.

Happiness is the same way though since I can't seem to capture any rainbow or unicorn subjects either.