Dear White People, what method is acceptable to you for us black people to protest racial injustice?

[SMOGZINN]

Police Training and Mission is where you start.

Police training is good, but the real problem is that the police are held to extremely low standards by our legal system. When a officer is accused of a violation or crime there is practically no transparency or accountability.

We need a separate investigative body. I suggest a grand jury style citizen review board that has the power to discipline or even recommend charges against police that is in charge of reviewing complaints against police. They should have full unrestricted access to all body and dashcam footage.
Talking of body/dash cameras, the police need to not have the ability to turn them off, and covering it intentionally should be a fireable offenses. Lack of body/dash cam footage of an event should work against the officer.

 

[SMOGZINN]

I wish I had an answer that would solve the problems...but violence sure ain't it.

Unfortunately for all of us historically violence is has been the only answer that ever works. No one cares about peaceful protests that follows all the rules. Protests only work when they cause disruption. People only pay attention to protests when they disrupt society enough to force them to pay attention. You, and many others, think protests shouldn't be inconvenient. Well, that is not going to work.
The truth is that change requires a lot of work, and no one is going to do the work until it is more of a pain not to.

 

[BoomerD]

Unfortunately for all of us historically violence is has been the only answer that ever works. No one cares about peaceful protests that follows all the rules. Protests only work when they cause disruption. People only pay attention to protests when they disrupt society enough to force them to pay attention. You, and many others, think protests shouldn't be inconvenient. Well, that is not going to work.
The truth is that change requires a lot of work, and no one is going to do the work until it is more of a pain not to.

Inconveniencing people like me gets the wrong kind of attention...I don't care what the cause might be. Working folks put up with enough bullshit at work and at home...commuting is enough od a PITA when things go relatively well...

 

[SMOGZINN]

Inconveniencing people like me gets the wrong kind of attention...I don't care what the cause might be. Working folks put up with enough bullshit at work and at home...commuting is enough od a PITA when things go relatively well...

There is no such thing as the wrong kind of attention. Eventually you will have to accept that you either correct the problem, or it is going to continue. So, you get to deicde, how are you going to correct the problem? Work with them, or start a war?

 

[hal2kilo]

Meanwhile over at Fox, Tuckers outing Hollywood celebrities' that have contributed bail money for protesters. Thanks for the PSA Tucker. Glad you are trying to solve our race relation problems.

 

[Svnla]

Open to err'body!

Cool. Free for all. Let me put my green Martian uniform on and hat too.

To me, it does not bother me one bit if anyone would protest peacefully (from all the options in post #1 of OP) but when you are on the job, you shouldn't be so blatant. For example, if I pay good money for ticket to see a musician, I would not want him/her to be on stage and rant and rant and rant and rant nonstop. Nothing is wrong with believe in your cause but don't do that when you are on the clock with paying customers. If that musician would set a booth with more materials about the cause(s) he/she was really into, then I would be perfectly fine. He/she could just say on stage brieftly.."hey everyone, please stop by section E when you have a minute and work with me with my cause, thanks"..then I would not mind to swing by and see what the deal was. No problem with me if that musician has a shirt on about the cause or speak about it briefly while on stage.

There are other ways to achieve your goal and objective.Make your paying customers not happy is not one of them imo.

 

[uclaLabrat]

Start a thread with stupid questions, expect to get stupid answers.

Ironically the best reply. Because it doesn't matter. Conservatives will deflect from the real question, feign outrage, and wrap themselves in the flag.

How dare you try to trample their privilege.

I'll answer for everyone (I'm an accredited, card carrying beloved patriot): do whatever the fuck you want. Im not a fan of looting/rioting, but I get it.

If you've spent your life (generations really) trying to make it work peacefully and they're still wantonly killing you with wreckless abandon and practically zero consequences, I understand the urge to burn it all down. I dont support it, but I get it.

 

[uclaLabrat]

Also, funny story. If you type in g-r-i-n-g-o the forum software turns it into *beloved patriot*. Tried to edit but the post still has the original word. Now that right there. Thats fucking hilarious.

 

[nutxo]

Pathetic.

 

[Jaskalas]

If the argument is that legal system treats blacks unfairly, that officers treat blacks blacks differently, that violence against blacks is unjustified then some might say that the people ignoring the law of the land are the government employees cracking heads with batons, harassing people for simply existing and taking actions that result in minor infractions tuening into death sentences.

And in response to our failings, you want what action, what manner of "protest"?
Remember, my commentary here is in response to a poster telling us violence is the answer. I say no, it is not.

 

[Jaskalas]

Unfortunately for all of us historically violence is has been the only answer that ever works. No one cares about peaceful protests that follows all the rules. Protests only work when they cause disruption. People only pay attention to protests when they disrupt society enough to force them to pay attention. You, and many others, think protests shouldn't be inconvenient. Well, that is not going to work.
The truth is that change requires a lot of work, and no one is going to do the work until it is more of a pain not to.

Riots and destruction are not protests, and are not protected. They inflame people to escalate in retaliation. Violence begets violence. While there are many neutral parties, active participants are either working towards the solution, or are part of the problem. Do not conflate or confuse peaceful protests / other non violent forms of boycott and civil disobedience with violence. There are many ways to apply pressure and enact change. Tearing apart and burning down cities will only cause a loss of our civil liberties, the opposite of the stated purpose.

The last time this land had a genocide was when we cleared out the natives. The only thing between us and that pit of human behavior is our institutions. The "let them burn" approach is Trumpian level intelligence and would only hurl us closer towards the abyss. We are only human, there isn't much separating us from being Afghanistan or North Korea. Just a people ready and willing to throw out their Democracy for Anarchy or Tyranny. Do not be that person lest you be ready to reap what you sow.

 

[pauldun170]

And in response to our failings, you want what action, what manner of "protest"?
Remember, my commentary here is in response to a poster telling us violence is the answer. I say no, it is not.

Protest are "protests". Violence is not inherent in protests.
I see dozens of protests a year over countless issues. 100's over the decades.

Riots are extremely rare and when they do occur in the United States, riots are a response to violence.

The popular response to victims of state sponsored violence during the course of a protest is always "It hurts your cause!!!", "Respect the uniform!!!Respect the law and maybe people will listen!!!"
Everyone listens for 5 minutes until you shut up and move on to the next thing.
The system is patient and the system resits change. Go ahead and march and hold up your signs. It will be forgotten in a few weeks and all the "proposals and changes will die in the legislative branch"

When are victims of state sponsored violence allowed to fight back? If you organize a protest and when holding up a sign to protest something and the states response is rubber bullets and a baton to the person next to you is going to stand up for you. Then they get hit in the face for "interfering" the person next to them pushes the cop and the cop next to them fires a round at you. then it escalates...

There are thousand of protests going on right now. Most of them are like homerboys. Even in "big scary NYC" there are tons of protests where everyone is chill and even with 1000's of people cops aren't around. They hold up signs. Everyone does the chant or whatever and then they go home. Occasionally some vendor will try and cash in with some t-shirts

Do you think for a second anyone is going to put one ounce of effort into fixing the root cause if every protest around the country was nice, peaceful and "met the rules"?
I will tell you, no. Not at all. A couple of bullshit speeches. They bury the victim and then nothing.

Is violence the answer? No.
In this case...the whole issue being raised by BLM is that law enforcement needs to learn that violence is not the default response to dealing with citizens in their community. Violence in the forms of beatings, shootings and street side electrocution is not how you enforce traffic law. It's not how you respond to someone who is tired of being stopped for vague reasons or "fitting a description"

I guess my final word is that if you don't like violence...start talking to the police unions of precincts around the county who think a bullshit Blue Live Matters flag and free coffee is more important than the communities they are supposed to serve. Tell them it doesn't have to "Us vs them" or that whole bullshit "Us vs civilians" nonsense they have stuck in there heads.

 

[ondma]

Cool. Free for all. Let me put my green Martian uniform on and hat too.

To me, it does not bother me one bit if anyone would protest peacefully (from all the options in post #1 of OP) but when you are on the job, you shouldn't be so blatant. For example, if I pay good money for ticket to see a musician, I would not want him/her to be on stage and rant and rant and rant and rant nonstop. Nothing is wrong with believe in your cause but don't do that when you are on the clock with paying customers. If that musician would set a booth with more materials about the cause(s) he/she was really into, then I would be perfectly fine. He/she could just say on stage brieftly.."hey everyone, please stop by section E when you have a minute and work with me with my cause, thanks"..then I would not mind to swing by and see what the deal was. No problem with me if that musician has a shirt on about the cause or speak about it briefly while on stage.

There are other ways to achieve your goal and objective.Make your paying customers not happy is not one of them imo.

To be fair, his kneeling during the National Anthem doesn't really disrupt the game in any way.

 

[snoopy7548]

Unfortunately for all of us historically violence is has been the only answer that ever works. No one cares about peaceful protests that follows all the rules. Protests only work when they cause disruption. People only pay attention to protests when they disrupt society enough to force them to pay attention. You, and many others, think protests shouldn't be inconvenient. Well, that is not going to work.
The truth is that change requires a lot of work, and no one is going to do the work until it is more of a pain not to.

Yep. As JFK said, "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

 

[pcgeek11]

I would say you can peacefully protest any way you like as long as you don't destroy some ones property or interfere with someone elses rights.

 

[homebrew2ny]

First, let's get to the real issue, and that is the media perpetrates a narrative that there is social injustice based on race. When infact it is based on class.

Secondly, let's begin to hold individuals accountable instead of lumping groups together based on race or employment ect...

Third, and perhaps most important or all, understand that we are all slaves to the puppet masters. The politicians, the banks, and the "families" that run the world. We need to recognize its them against us and all this tribal politics they force upon us is to hide that fact.

 

[Svnla]

To be fair, his kneeling during the National Anthem doesn't really disrupt the game in any way.

You are free to look up on any thread that I ever criticized him for kneeling. The only thing I did say was why he did not do that when he was the starting QB leading the team to the SB but waited until he was in the downfall with the 49ers.

 

[blackangst1]

nvm

 

[JEDIYoda]

nvm

best post all year for yaz!!

 

[blackangst1]

best post all year for yaz!!

If you and the board in general feel Im nothing but a nuesance, and you cant deal with a sometimes differing POV I can clean up your echo chamber and just not comment. Not a big deal.

 

[zzyzxroad]

If you and the board in general feel Im nothing but a nuesance, and you cant deal with a sometimes differing POV I can clean up your echo chamber and just not comment. Not a big deal.

My memorable interaction with you was when you didn't know why but were sure hunter Biden needed to be investigated. You seem prone to propaganda and don't deal in facts. Maybe evaluate yourself instead of crying about being a victim?

 

[blackangst1]

My memorable interaction with you was when you didn't know why but were sure hunter Biden needed to be investigated. You seem prone to propaganda and don't deal in facts. Maybe evaluate yourself instead of crying about being a victim?

I'm sorry but an internet message board with random people couldn't make me feel like a victim lol I'm not that thin skinned.

 

[zinfamous]

Inconveniencing people like me gets the wrong kind of attention...I don't care what the cause might be. Working folks put up with enough bullshit at work and at home...commuting is enough od a PITA when things go relatively well...

that's too bad.

 

[zzyzxroad]

I'm sorry but an internet message board with random people couldn't make me feel like a victim lol I'm not that thin skinned.

Well at least admit you don't deal in facts? You dont seem to contribute to these boards honestly so you would not be a loss.

 

[pauldun170]

Wonder why certain people on the color wheel are frustrated with police?
Example that is regular occurrence around the country.