Dear White People, what method is acceptable to you for us black people to protest racial injustice?

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Vic

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I'm a white person, and I think most of those besides rioting/looting are perfectly acceptable ways to protest.

Way to bundle all white people together. You suck at this.

The problem here is that as soon as people (white or black) start to peacefully protest against police brutality and corruption, the police move in to suppress that speech by attacking the protesters as rioters, which in turn sparks off rioting and looting. Which is by design. The police and their political backers do it intentionally to suppress and discredit the protesters' speech.
That this occurs can be evidenced by the fact that in those cities where the police have allowed peaceful protests to occur, those protests have for the most part remained peaceful.

I'm white too BTW.
 
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Vic

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It's interesting that people focus on the riots and looting. Maybe if people would go after propaganda that dismisses things like Black Lives Matter or NFL players taking a knee there might not have been any looting or rioting.
The focus on the riots and looting is intentional. As I said in my other post, the intent is to invent a narrative that allows for discrediting and suppressing the protesters' anti-govt speech. So police start a riot by turning on peaceful protesters with tear gas and batons, while at the same time encouraging criminals to go out and loot. This way, the message condemning police brutality and corruption is overshadowed by the narrative that those things are necessary to keep law and order.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
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Yeah property damage is terrible and should never happen. Those bastards in 1772 and 3 trashing tea and ships! What were they thinking? Violence never achieves anything!

Violence is met with violence. Is that what you want?
 

dawp

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The problem here is that as soon as people (white or black) start to peacefully protest against police brutality and corruption, the police move in to suppress that speech by attacking the protesters as rioters, which in turn sparks off rioting and looting. Which is by design. The police and their political backers do it intentionally to suppress and discredit the protesters' speech.
That this occurs can be evidenced by the fact that in those where the police have allowed peaceful protests to occur, those protests have for the most part remained peaceful.

I'm white too BTW.
rioting in reaction to active police brutality to a peaceful protest is totally acceptable no matter the reason for that protest and a death like Floyd's warrants a protest, whether it turn into a riot is up to the police. and I'm also white.
 
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hal2kilo

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rioting in reaction to active police brutality to a peacful protest is totally acceptable no matter the reason for that protest and a death like Floyd's warrants a protest, whether it turn into a riot is up to the police. and I'm also white.
What's the problem with concept that you don't pay taxes to get beat up!
 

MtnMan

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I can tell you what is not OK!

Driving around town (not your town, you drove hundreds of miles to come to mine) shooting at people, cops, and shooting out store fronts. Doing 10's of thousands of dollars of damage to private business, some minority owned, some employing minority, and destroying public property, which will cost all taxpayers, of all races.

Fucking register to vote, and go fucking vote!
 

sandorski

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I can tell you what is not OK!

Driving around town (not your town, you drove hundreds of miles to come to mine) shooting at people, cops, and shooting out store fronts. Doing 10's of thousands of dollars of damage to private business, some minority owned, some employing minority, and destroying public property, which will cost all taxpayers, of all races.

Fucking register to vote, and go fucking vote!

At some point, it gets too late for that.
 

pauldun170

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For the sake of discussion, let's say I'm referring to mostly white conservatives. It seems you have made yourselves the arbiter of what is acceptable so I'm asking for your permission. Currently any method black people use to protest, white people object. Let's examine a few.

(Riots/looting): Most right minded black people myself included are against this. Not only does it destroy property and lay ruin to our own communities, it distracts from the overall message of racial injustice.
(Peaceful) Colin Kapernick: Disrespectful to soldiers/the flag.
(Peaceful) Black Lives Matter: Terrorist organization. Anti-police. You block the streets we will run you over.
(Peaceful) LeBron James: Shut up and dribble
(Peaceful) Actors/musicians: We don't want to hear your politics. Just perform.
(Peaceful) poor people: Why aren't you at work?
(Peaceful) rich people: No one wants to hear from spoiled millionaires.

White people don't seem to mind when favs mix politics with entertainment. Country stars mixing heavy doses of patriotism in their lyrics. Playing of the national anthem before games is a recent invention that mixes politics with sports. I won't even wade into bringing semi-automatic weapons, blackface and confederate flags to protest re-opening your favorite burger joint or a salon to get a mani-pedi.
So white people, tell us black people how we are supposed to protest? How are we supposed to behave? In a way that will not draw your ire.


You might find this to be an interesting read
or perhaps this
or maybe this

Having said that, don't lump looting and riots together.
Riots are a byproduct of a toxic relationship between 2 parties, often the community and law enforcement.
If your protest is that Police are overly violent to you and your community and the response of government is to flood your protest with violent cops, shit is going to happen.

As for what it would take for white conservatives to stop scapegoating blacks?
You already know the answer.
 
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Jaskalas

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Of course not. I believe that innocent people should be willing to endlessly lay down their lives to being murdered by a corrupt legal system, right?
This is about people that are already being met with violence.

Our Constitutional Rights only exist so far as we maintain the rule of law and keep a civil government.
Any conflagration of violence is seen as an upset to that society, to the ability to even try and secure people from evil acts. To provide equal protection.
Yes, we still have failings in our work. But your words endorse a Trumpian "burn it all down" approach that only inflames an "us VS them" shooting war.
A war that would see us all lose our rights.

It needs to be stated that protests are one thing. Riots are another.
One can enact change via the former, one can end all civil liberties with the latter.
Do not make the mistake of conflating the two very different approaches, each with a very different result.
Violence is met with violence. You do NOT want to go there. Such things have a tendency to escalate beyond control or imagining.
 

pauldun170

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I can tell you what is not OK!

Driving around town (not your town, you drove hundreds of miles to come to mine) shooting at people, cops, and shooting out store fronts. Doing 10's of thousands of dollars of damage to private business, some minority owned, some employing minority, and destroying public property, which will cost all taxpayers, of all races.

Fucking register to vote, and go fucking vote!


In New York and many other locations, the people destroying property, assaulting cops and creating havoc fit a certain description.
Certainly wasn't black.
 

pauldun170

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Our Constitutional Rights only exist so far as we maintain the rule of law and keep a civil government.
Any conflagration of violence is seen as an upset to that society, to the ability to even try and secure people from evil acts. To provide equal protection.
Yes, we still have failings in our work. But your words endorse a Trumpian "burn it all down" approach that only inflames an "us VS them" shooting war.
A war that would see us all lose our rights.

It needs to be stated that protests are one thing. Riots are another.
One can enact change via the former, one can end all civil liberties with the latter.
Do not make the mistake of conflating the two very different approaches, each with a very different result.
Violence is met with violence. You do NOT want to go there. Such things have a tendency to escalate beyond control or imagining.


The law of the land
Section 1
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


If the argument is that legal system treats blacks unfairly, that officers treat blacks blacks differently, that violence against blacks is unjustified then some might say that the people ignoring the law of the land are the government employees cracking heads with batons, harassing people for simply existing and taking actions that result in minor infractions tuening into death sentences.
 
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sandorski

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Our Constitutional Rights only exist so far as we maintain the rule of law and keep a civil government.
Any conflagration of violence is seen as an upset to that society, to the ability to even try and secure people from evil acts. To provide equal protection.
Yes, we still have failings in our work. But your words endorse a Trumpian "burn it all down" approach that only inflames an "us VS them" shooting war.
A war that would see us all lose our rights.

It needs to be stated that protests are one thing. Riots are another.
One can enact change via the former, one can end all civil liberties with the latter.
Do not make the mistake of conflating the two very different approaches, each with a very different result.
Violence is met with violence. You do NOT want to go there. Such things have a tendency to escalate beyond control or imagining.

When the Law is the violator of Rights, what then?
 

HomerJS

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White people weren't the only ones complaining about protests.

The fuck does your second paragraph even mean?

That's code for stop being a race-baiting shitty person.
Use the google machine. You'll find it. Oh hell I know you fingers are sweating so I'll save you the time

I never stated your first response. In fact I said ll agree rioting and looting are wrong.

I suggest you look up the word uppity unless you are going to deny that characterization exists as well.
 
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Moonbeam

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Our Constitutional Rights only exist so far as we maintain the rule of law and keep a civil government.

Exactly. In a government ruled by just laws and a truly civil government black lives would matter. Physician, heal thyself.
 

blackangst1

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I think foirst we need to identify WHERE the mindshift needs to happen. Government, or the public in general? If government, what laws need to be passed or eliminated? If the people, how do you change people's prejudices? You cant do that with the law.
 

sandorski

No Lifer
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I think foirst we need to identify WHERE the mindshift needs to happen. Government, or the public in general? If government, what laws need to be passed or eliminated? If the people, how do you change people's prejudices? You cant do that with the law.

Police Training and Mission is where you start.
 

Jhhnn

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I think foirst we need to identify WHERE the mindshift needs to happen. Government, or the public in general? If government, what laws need to be passed or eliminated? If the people, how do you change people's prejudices? You cant do that with the law.

If we follow that line of reasoning then we shouldn't have passed the civil rights acts or the 13th amendment because racism still persists.
 

HomerJS

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I think foirst we need to identify WHERE the mindshift needs to happen. Government, or the public in general? If government, what laws need to be passed or eliminated? If the people, how do you change people's prejudices? You cant do that with the law.
How about not hiring people as uniformed cops who post this when Obama got elected...
"I didn't know we had so many ni**er lovers in the country"

This guy got a job as a patrolman in a majority black district

How about starting there? Or I guess that's asking too much.
 

Svnla

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OP, do participants have to be white to participate? What if they are not white or just "honorable" white? Asking for a friend.
 

BoomerD

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Have you tried sending a sternly worded note? That usually does the trick...

As the grandfather of 3 wonderful young adults...who happen to be half-black, I don't have an answer to the OP's question. I disagreed with Kaepernick's protests at the games. Wrong place for it....how many folks here would keep their jobs if they went to work and protested shit while they're on the clock?

Rioting and looting are always wrong. They generally target the wrong people and have a tendency to turn people away from your original cause. Yes, someone who's attacked might no longer think it's so bad if the cops kill an unarmed black man...if their attacker was black. What's extra terrible all around is that much of the violence, rioting and looting appears to be being caused ans/or incited by white rabblerousers from both sides of the political spectrum...antifa and proud boy types...the po-po could just shoot those bastards AFAIC.
Peaceful protests over the years are generally ignored by politicians...yet can work well to open the eyes of the general public...and since they vote, they're the ones who you need to have on your side. (Ideally)
I remember pretty well the race riots of the 60's...and the peaceful protests of the same era. It wasn't usually the average citizen who attacked the protesters, (although in the south, many did) but rather the police...acting under orders...and out of their own personal prejudices.

I wish I had an answer that would solve the problems...but violence sure ain't it.