Dear White People, what method is acceptable to you for us black people to protest racial injustice?

[kage69]

To answer OP directly, thanks to right wing authoritarians and the traitors they enable (with both being supported by, let's face it - a cult) there really isn't much to choose from is there? They have no shame, no decency, no morals, no allegiance to the principles they claim to stand for. Self interest is their only interest. Personally, the only tactic I've ever seen work on these racist hypocrites is the good old fashion boycott, because they still have wallets. With demand absolutely dead and the economy in free fall, sounds to me like a perfect opportunity to support those on the right side of history.

 

[nakedfrog]

You missed my qualifier

But not his opportunity to play the victim.

 

[ondma]

For the sake of discussion, let's say I'm referring to mostly white conservatives. It seems you have made yourselves the arbiter of what is acceptable so I'm asking for your permission. Currently any method black people use to protest, white people object. Let's examine a few.

(Riots/looting): Most right minded black people myself included are against this. Not only does it destroy property and lay ruin to our own communities, it distracts from the overall message of racial injustice.
(Peaceful) Colin Kapernick: Disrespectful to soldiers/the flag.
(Peaceful) Black Lives Matter: Terrorist organization. Anti-police. You block the streets we will run you over.
(Peaceful) LeBron James: Shut up and dribble
(Peaceful) Actors/musicians: We don't want to hear your politics. Just perform.
(Peaceful) poor people: Why aren't you at work?
(Peaceful) rich people: No one wants to hear from spoiled millionaires.

White people don't seem to mind when favs mix politics with entertainment. Country stars mixing heavy doses of patriotism in their lyrics. Playing of the national anthem before games is a recent invention that mixes politics with sports. I won't even wade into bringing semi-automatic weapons, blackface and confederate flags to protest re-opening your favorite burger joint or a salon to get a mani-pedi.
So white people, tell us black people how we are supposed to protest? How are we supposed to behave? In a way that will not draw your ire.

Maybe study the history of MLK?
As to the questions, I can accept all of those except Riots/looting obviously. I also dont feel it is acceptable to hold "peaceful" protests after curfew (obviously assuming the curfew is a reasonable period of hours).

 

[IronWing]

Maybe study the history of MLK?
As to the questions, I can accept all of those except Riots/looting obviously. I also dont feel it is acceptable to hold "peaceful" protests after curfew (obviously assuming the curfew is a reasonable period of hours).

The point of the curfews appears to be to turn peaceful protest into a crime and give license to police brutality.

 

[hal2kilo]

As I posted in another thread, Wall Street has indicated that the current protest methods are not working. If one wants change, one has to make the people who can affect change care enough to do so. Who makes the tear gas canisters, the clubs, the shields, the body armor? Every time a cop beats someone up, somewhere a stock price goes up and someone makes a bit more money. Those people are the ones who need to feel the truncheon kiss.

Simple reduce police forces. Make mandatory de-escalation trainining. Ban SWAT teams. A start.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

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[zzyzxroad]

The point of the curfews appears to be to turn peaceful protest into a crime and give license to police brutality.

I did notice my phone stopped blowing up with cerfew alerts after the ACLU filed a lawsuit against LA city and county.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Maybe study the history of MLK?
As to the questions, I can accept all of those except Riots/looting obviously. I also dont feel it is acceptable to hold "peaceful" protests after curfew (obviously assuming the curfew is a reasonable period of hours).

The lesson our society should have learned from the Occupy Wall Street protests is that if you let them decide the rules, they will just rule you out of existence. If making curfews (which basically make it so that you have to choose to work or protest) don't work, they will then complain that you are taking up public space, and start to move your protest around to make it inconvenient. If that does not work they will start to look for minor offences (or even plant some people in your org to cause them) to have excuses to raid the protests.

You can't protests something the powers that be don't want protested without breaking their rules.

 

[fskimospy]

The appropriate way is whatever way you aren’t doing it.

 

[fskimospy]

Maybe study the history of MLK?
As to the questions, I can accept all of those except Riots/looting obviously. I also dont feel it is acceptable to hold "peaceful" protests after curfew (obviously assuming the curfew is a reasonable period of hours).

White people HATED MLK while he was alive. They clearly did not think his actions were appropriate.

 

[ondma]

The point of the curfews appears to be to turn peaceful protest into a crime and give license to police brutality.

In your eyes at least. It is also to enable the authorities to more easily prevent rioting and looting.
I live in Minneapolis, saw first hand(well on TV) the burning down of police stations, post offices, and family owned businesses. Even the Holiday station 2 miles from my house was burned to the ground.

Most of it was performed under the cover of darkness, and authorities (even firefighters) were not able to access the scene because of the huge crowds of protesters. The longest curfew we had was 10 hours, now reduced to six. I think that leaves plenty of time for protesting when the curfew is not in effect.

 

[zzyzxroad]

White people HATED MLK while he was alive. They clearly did not think his actions were appropriate.

Before someone like PCG comes along to point out that how their uncle loved MLK during those time you should qualify this as almost 100% or the vast majority. Not pickers are chomping at the bit at their chance to divert.

 

[hal2kilo]

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[SMOGZINN]

In your eyes at least. It is also to enable the authorities to more easily prevent rioting and looting.
I live in Minneapolis, saw first hand(well on TV) the burning down of police stations, post offices, and family owned businesses. Even the Holiday station 2 miles from my house was burned to the ground.

Most of it was performed under the cover of darkness, and authorities (even firefighters) were not able to access the scene because of the huge crowds of protesters. The longest curfew we had was 10 hours, now reduced to six. I think that leaves plenty of time for protesting when the curfew is not in effect.

Do you really think it is harder for a group of a thousand people to burn down a building in middle of the day? What logic do you have for that?
The reason for the curfews is to limit how many people can join the protests. They are mainly set so that the protests end around the time most people get off work.

 

[HomerJS]

Funny thing is that premise is in itself bigoted. I have a guest staying who leans conservative who is not at all happy with Republicans and is definitely against police abusing people. Protesting? Absolutely. Killing others because they can? No, there is no justification and I have the same perspective regarding the current situation and systemic problems.

Now being given only the list provided, which should he choose?

Of course I could posit:

Dear Black People, what method is acceptable to you for us black people to protest racial injustice?

Of course I'm mostly addressing left-leaning blacks.

1) Kill white people
2) Burn everything to the ground
3) Rape white people.

and so forth.

Considering that neither argument leaves any room for a rational and reasonable answer. It becomes a "do you still beat your wife scenario" which is wrong.

Some means of addressing violence and the underlying problems that are responsible for it need to be addressed. As individuals of any race or ideology reflects to choose harm then they deserve derision.

It may be true that white conservatives as a whole may be inflexible in considering a complex situation than others, but this is not an inherent trait any more than left leaning blacks being criminals. Some are. Some white conservatives are also doing the reprehensible, but once statistics are applied to individuals that renders any argument invalid.

I took someones advice and got out of my so called CNN/MSNBC bubble to see other perspectives. What I listed are right wing complaints about blacks protesting. If one of them is in error please let me know. I left the responses open ended that way bias not included.

 

[96Firebird]

He specified who he was targeting at the start of the post. Seems like the only stupidity here is the person who has trouble with basic reading comprehension.

Sure thing, I'll just start a post titled "Dear Black People, why do you find looting to help further your cause?" BUT THEN, in the post, I'll qualify that with black criminals.

You'd be ok with that, right?

 

[Homerboy]

Simple reduce police forces. Make mandatory de-escalation trainining. Ban SWAT teams. A start.

If the National Guard has to be called in to back up SWAT/RIOT teams, why not just use the National Guard to start?
This is an honest question. I'm sure there's legitimate reasoning based on the current arrangements and system, but could the system not be changed to accommodate that new arrangement?

 

[Commodus]

Sure thing, I'll just start a post titled "Dear Black People, why do you find looting to help further your cause?" BUT THEN, in the post, I'll qualify that with black criminals.

You'd be ok with that, right?

Context matters. The oppressed calling out the oppressor with a confrontational statement is not the same as the oppressor attacking the oppressed. Punching up versus punching down.

Listen, you're digging a hole for yourself here, and you aren't going to get sympathy from others. Can you please focus on what the OP asked instead of perpetuating the race relations equivalent of a "not all men" argument?

 

[sandorski]

In your eyes at least. It is also to enable the authorities to more easily prevent rioting and looting.
I live in Minneapolis, saw first hand(well on TV) the burning down of police stations, post offices, and family owned businesses. Even the Holiday station 2 miles from my house was burned to the ground.

Most of it was performed under the cover of darkness, and authorities (even firefighters) were not able to access the scene because of the huge crowds of protesters. The longest curfew we had was 10 hours, now reduced to six. I think that leaves plenty of time for protesting when the curfew is not in effect.

As was stated elsewhere, once the Authorities set the rules, your voice is silenced. Curfews should not be obeyed. Force them to force you out, let the World see it. Any destruction has to be specific and targeted towards the Authorities. Destroying Businesses is counter productive.


Full disclosure: I am not involved and won't be. So it is easy for me to be cavalier about things. However, anyone who is involved and is thinking of using Violence as a Tactic needs to decide beforehand what they are going to do, how they are going to do it, and be certain that whatever it is that it achieves the desired affect. Then they need to stick with it. Just acting irrationally and spontaneously is not just useless, it's harmful to the Cause.

 

[HomerJS]

Sure thing, I'll just start a post titled "Dear Black People, why do you find looting to help further your cause?" BUT THEN, in the post, I'll qualify that with black criminals.

You'd be ok with that, right?

2 problems with this. Black people weren't the only ones looting. Second all the complaints I listed came from conservative white people.

I won't speak for all black people but I find it demeaning and insulting when a white person tells black people to "shut up and dribble".

That's code for stop being uppidy.

 

[kage69]

White people HATED MLK while he was alive. They clearly did not think his actions were appropriate.

This. Hero to one side, largely a pariah to the other. Hong Kong was doing it smart I thought. When you're dealing with an aggressive authoritarian foe who will go after your command structure, might be a good idea to not have prominent leaders, keep things loosely organized and mobile. Thankfully we're not dealing with a regime like the one in Beijing.

What got white communities attention back then? Boycotts. Even though racial discrimination already included not doing business with many black businesses, when black folks banded together and stopped shopping for white owned goods and services, what happened? White communities collectively shat themselves, actually started going to court to make black people stop the boycotts (haha!)

 

[zzyzxroad]

It's interesting that people focus on the riots and looting. Maybe if people would go after propaganda that dismisses things like Black Lives Matter or NFL players taking a knee there might not have been any looting or rioting.

 

[SMOGZINN]

As was stated elsewhere, once the Authorities set the rules, your voice is silenced. Curfews should not be obeyed. Force them to force you out, let the World see it. Any destruction has to be specific and targeted towards the Authorities. Destroying Businesses is counter productive.


Full disclosure: I am not involved and won't be. So it is easy for me to be cavalier about things. However, anyone who is involved and is thinking of using Violence as a Tactic needs to decide beforehand what they are going to do, how they are going to do it, and be certain that whatever it is that it achieves the desired affect. Then they need to stick with it. Just acting irrationally and spontaneously is not just useless, it's harmful to the Cause.

Few organizations or protests intentionally commit violence. The violence is a reaction, not a plan. It is either anger needing expression, or a small groups of people that are intentionally taking advantage of the protests to create chaos for their own ends. In either case, it is not a tactic being used by the protesters.

 

[dawp]

I think, to a certain extent, rioting is acceptable depend what is being protested and the reactions of those in power to those protesting, especially suppression of those protesting for police brutality.

looting under any circumstances is a big no for me as it hurts small shop owners the most.

 

[96Firebird]

2 problems with this. Black people weren't the only ones looting. Second all the complaints I listed came from conservative white people.

I won't speak for all black people but I find it demeaning and insulting when a white person tells black people to "shut up and dribble".

That's code for stop being uppidy.

White people weren't the only ones complaining about protests.

The fuck does your second paragraph even mean?

That's code for stop being a race-baiting shitty person.