Dear rich people

[DaTT]

Your "brothers" better watch how much they send "your parents" each month, they gonna end up in the same boat.

 

[evident]

Originally posted by: Journer
the world will NOT be a better place. your parents got there by being irresponsible. no excuse can convince me otherwise. if they got strongarmed out of a job or retirement benefits, it is their own damn fault for not having a contingency plan and recognizing the way the world is. so, kindly fuck off and spread your socialist, naive, and utterly unsound comments somewhere else. bitch.

i dont think the world is as clear cut as you think buddy...

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: chusteczka

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: chusteczka
<raspberries>

I already clean, upgrade, and build computer systems of friends and family for free. In the last two years I have provided four newly built computers in addition to the repairs, memory upgrades, and other component upgrades to distant family and friends of friends.

However, to be told to freely give to others what is mine is too much. My money will never go to a charity and I will not accept someone telling me or even suggesting what to do with it. Charities and non-profit groups exist only to make their controllers rich. Any good done is merely a by-product of making someone rich.

Go away.

Wow. Ignorance is strong with this one.

Ignorance is keeping a closed mind and not seeing the truth. However, much money is given away by people who do not know any better so you fit in with many others who also do not see the truth.

The goal of any medical disease charity is not to cure that disease. If the disease was cured, no one would continue supporting that charity. Think about it.

You've obviously done a lot of research on this, and fortunately charities have to file financial forms reporting the salaries of their top executives, and those forms are publicly available for anyone to see. So which reputable charities pay their executives disproportionately higher than similar sized for-profit organizations?

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: chusteczka

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: chusteczka
<raspberries>

I already clean, upgrade, and build computer systems of friends and family for free. In the last two years I have provided four newly built computers in addition to the repairs, memory upgrades, and other component upgrades to distant family and friends of friends.

However, to be told to freely give to others what is mine is too much. My money will never go to a charity and I will not accept someone telling me or even suggesting what to do with it. Charities and non-profit groups exist only to make their controllers rich. Any good done is merely a by-product of making someone rich.

Go away.

Wow. Ignorance is strong with this one.

Ignorance is keeping a closed mind and not seeing the truth. However, much money is given away by people who do not know any better so you fit in with many others who also do not see the truth.

The goal of any medical disease charity is not to cure that disease. If the disease was cured, no one would continue supporting that charity. Think about it.

:laugh: Yes, b/c these medical diseases are that easy to cure. I'm sure you're a doctor and know this.

So, is it just medical disease charities or all charities and non-profits? Don't make a general statement like you did, it shows complete ignorance.

 

[Baked]

Originally posted by: BassBomb
You put the ass in compassion

*Looks at quote... then looks at poster's name.* Oh, the ironing.

 

[CrazyShiz]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: CrazyShiz

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
Fucking socialist

I do not think that word means what you think it means...

Nice Princess Bride reference. :thumbsup:

Yeah, the OP is not a socialist. He's not asking the government to take people's money, he's asking people to consider helping people in need.

FWIW, I remember seeing a graph in Time or Newsweek that showed charitable giving as a percentage of net worth broken down by income. It was like an inverse bell curve. The rich give the most by far, it's the middle class and upper middle class who give the least (percentage-wise).

THANK you! I needed some backup.


I just hate it when people misuse ideologies as insults

 

[Journer]

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: Journer
the world will NOT be a better place. your parents got there by being irresponsible. no excuse can convince me otherwise. if they got strongarmed out of a job or retirement benefits, it is their own damn fault for not having a contingency plan and recognizing the way the world is. so, kindly fuck off and spread your socialist, naive, and utterly unsound comments somewhere else. bitch.

i dont think the world is as clear cut as you think buddy...

every sob story is preceded by the person's incompetence, somewhere along the line. ones that try to blame it on outside factors are trying to push their own blindness onto other matters.

 

[CrazyShiz]

Originally posted by: Journer

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: Journer
the world will NOT be a better place. your parents got there by being irresponsible. no excuse can convince me otherwise. if they got strongarmed out of a job or retirement benefits, it is their own damn fault for not having a contingency plan and recognizing the way the world is. so, kindly fuck off and spread your socialist, naive, and utterly unsound comments somewhere else. bitch.

i dont think the world is as clear cut as you think buddy...

every sob story is preceded by the person's incompetence, somewhere along the line. ones that try to blame it on outside factors are trying to push their own blindness onto other matters.

Would you like to tell my brother, who was born with an incurable disease that required a kidney transplant, that? Or how about Aids or Crack babies? Care to share what their incompetence was?

It's a good idea to not blame someone for your mistakes, but to not acknowledge that there are times when a great many things are out of your control is to be willfully and woefully ignorant of the world.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: Journer

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: Journer
the world will NOT be a better place. your parents got there by being irresponsible. no excuse can convince me otherwise. if they got strongarmed out of a job or retirement benefits, it is their own damn fault for not having a contingency plan and recognizing the way the world is. so, kindly fuck off and spread your socialist, naive, and utterly unsound comments somewhere else. bitch.

i dont think the world is as clear cut as you think buddy...

every sob story is preceded by the person's incompetence, somewhere along the line. ones that try to blame it on outside factors are trying to push their own blindness onto other matters.

Another wow. So, someone gets paralyzed by a shooting outside that goes thru their window is not able to work anymore. That person loses everything and becomes homeless b/c they are not able to work anymore is b/c he/she is incompetent?

 

[Journer]

Originally posted by: CrazyShiz

Originally posted by: Journer

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: Journer
the world will NOT be a better place. your parents got there by being irresponsible. no excuse can convince me otherwise. if they got strongarmed out of a job or retirement benefits, it is their own damn fault for not having a contingency plan and recognizing the way the world is. so, kindly fuck off and spread your socialist, naive, and utterly unsound comments somewhere else. bitch.

i dont think the world is as clear cut as you think buddy...

every sob story is preceded by the person's incompetence, somewhere along the line. ones that try to blame it on outside factors are trying to push their own blindness onto other matters.

Would you like to tell my brother, who was born with an incurable disease that required a kidney transplant, that? Or how about Aids or Crack babies? Care to share what their incompetence was?

It's a good idea to not blame someone for your mistakes, but to not acknowledge that there are times when a great many things are out of your control is to be willfully and woefully ignorant of the world.

perhaps i should have clarified 'financial sob stories'. however, just because someone has a disease doesn't mean they have an excuse to prosper. take the over-used lance armstrong example. i agree that there are things out of a persons control, but ever person (save possibly the mentally handicapped) is capable of dealing with the situation and reacting to it. the way you react will determine your outcome. quitters and the financially distressed are usually that way because of a poor decision at a bad time in their life. and offering them handouts will only make the situation worse.

 

[chusteczka]

A few months ago, Paris Hilton's grandfather made a decision to create a charitable trust and gave a significant majority of the Hilton wealth (90% ?) to that trust. The media was happily stating how wonderful the elder Hilton was for giving so much to charity. The Hilton lifestyle has not changed since then. They have not become any less wealthy. Who controls that Hilton charitable trust? The Hiltons control it. What taxes are paid by that trust? No taxes are paid when an insignificant portion of that trust is actually used for a charitable purpose. So the Hiltons get to keep control of their money without paying any taxes on it. In addition, people may voluntarily contribute their own money to the Hilton's control, voluntarily adding to the Hilton fortune.

One of my close friends has a daughter who just graduated high school in a rich northwestern Chicago suburb. This friend's daughter was invited to a graduation party for her friend, whose father controls a large charity. I believe it was the American Cancer Society but am not certain. This man owned an extremely large home in a very expensive area that resembled a fantastic country club, only better. Where did the money come from to pay for this luxurious home? From all the contributions to that charity.

Trust funds were established in the beginning of this century as a method for the rich to evade paying taxes. It is literally impossible to track money flow from one trust fund to the next. However, the managers of those trusts have full control over the funds. This is how Rockefeller was able to keep control of his money, by creating the Standard Oil Trust and then creating hundreds more trusts.

 

[Journer]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Journer

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: Journer
the world will NOT be a better place. your parents got there by being irresponsible. no excuse can convince me otherwise. if they got strongarmed out of a job or retirement benefits, it is their own damn fault for not having a contingency plan and recognizing the way the world is. so, kindly fuck off and spread your socialist, naive, and utterly unsound comments somewhere else. bitch.

i dont think the world is as clear cut as you think buddy...

every sob story is preceded by the person's incompetence, somewhere along the line. ones that try to blame it on outside factors are trying to push their own blindness onto other matters.

Another wow. So, someone gets paralyzed by a shooting outside that goes thru their window is not able to work anymore. That person loses everything and becomes homeless b/c they are not able to work anymore is b/c he/she is incompetent?

i've seen plenty of paralyzed people work. hell, they probably get precedence over me, no thanks to the ADA. just because you are paralyzed doesnt mean you cant think. write a book or do something that doesnt involve much physical movement (remote IT support anyone?). the problem is too many people that get caught up in that unfortunate situation give up. now, i'll give them every part of the argument that it sucks ass for them, but that is life. deal with the circumstances and rise up (no pun intended).

 

[TonyB]

buying graphic cards and HDTV's, ie. consumer spending, generates earnings for companies, which increases shareholder value, which increases your grandma's retirement 401k, IRA, or pension funds if she was smart enough to save money aside for retirement.

sounds to me like your parents were dumb and didn't manage their money well, so now they're 70+ years old and have no job, no money, and being a burden on society. instead of giving away money to pay for some 70+ year olds rent whos probably going to die soon anyways, why not use it to build a school. that way we can teach people on how not to be stupid

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: Journer

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Journer

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: Journer
the world will NOT be a better place. your parents got there by being irresponsible. no excuse can convince me otherwise. if they got strongarmed out of a job or retirement benefits, it is their own damn fault for not having a contingency plan and recognizing the way the world is. so, kindly fuck off and spread your socialist, naive, and utterly unsound comments somewhere else. bitch.

i dont think the world is as clear cut as you think buddy...

every sob story is preceded by the person's incompetence, somewhere along the line. ones that try to blame it on outside factors are trying to push their own blindness onto other matters.

Another wow. So, someone gets paralyzed by a shooting outside that goes thru their window is not able to work anymore. That person loses everything and becomes homeless b/c they are not able to work anymore is b/c he/she is incompetent?

i've seen plenty of paralyzed people work. hell, they probably get precedence over me, no thanks to the ADA. just because you are paralyzed doesnt mean you cant think. write a book or do something that doesnt involve much physical movement (remote IT support anyone?). the problem is too many people that get caught up in that unfortunate situation give up. now, i'll give them every part of the argument that it sucks ass for them, but that is life. deal with the circumstances and rise up (no pun intended).

What if they are paralyzed from the neck down?

 

[Journer]

demand a rename of this thread:

Dear Poor people,

get off your lazy bitch asses and do some work. quit complaining about your job. if you don't like it, get educated or learn a skill to do something else.

p.s.
i want my god damned social security money back. income taxes while you're at it.

 

[Sumguy]

But...rich people only have $10mil!

That is not nearly enough to own a lier jet, let alone hire your own personal driver. Think of all the poor millionaires who have to climb steps to reach their very extremely large apartments!

 

[RbSX]

Originally posted by: chusteczka
A few months ago, Paris Hilton's grandfather made a decision to create a charitable trust and gave a significant majority of the Hilton wealth (90% ?) to that trust. The media was happily stating how wonderful the elder Hilton was for giving so much to charity. The Hilton lifestyle has not changed since then. They have not become any less wealthy. Who controls that Hilton charitable trust? The Hiltons control it. What taxes are paid by that trust? No taxes are paid when an insignificant portion of that trust is actually used for a charitable purpose. So the Hiltons get to keep control of their money without paying any taxes on it. In addition, people may voluntarily contribute their own money to the Hilton's control, voluntarily adding to the Hilton fortune.

One of my close friends has a daughter who just graduated high school in a rich northwestern Chicago suburb. This friend's daughter was invited to a graduation party for her friend, whose father controls a large charity. I believe it was the American Cancer Society but am not certain. This man owned an extremely large home in a very expensive area that resembled a fantastic country club, only better. Where did the money come from to pay for this luxurious home? From all the contributions to that charity.

Trust funds were established in the beginning of this century as a method for the rich to evade paying taxes. It is literally impossible to track money flow from one trust fund to the next. However, the managers of those trusts have full control over the funds. This is how Rockefeller was able to keep control of his money, by creating the Standard Oil Trust and then creating hundreds more trusts.

You have so much to learn, take your conspiracy theories elsewhere.

 

[Journer]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Journer

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Journer

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: Journer
the world will NOT be a better place. your parents got there by being irresponsible. no excuse can convince me otherwise. if they got strongarmed out of a job or retirement benefits, it is their own damn fault for not having a contingency plan and recognizing the way the world is. so, kindly fuck off and spread your socialist, naive, and utterly unsound comments somewhere else. bitch.

i dont think the world is as clear cut as you think buddy...

every sob story is preceded by the person's incompetence, somewhere along the line. ones that try to blame it on outside factors are trying to push their own blindness onto other matters.

Another wow. So, someone gets paralyzed by a shooting outside that goes thru their window is not able to work anymore. That person loses everything and becomes homeless b/c they are not able to work anymore is b/c he/she is incompetent?

i've seen plenty of paralyzed people work. hell, they probably get precedence over me, no thanks to the ADA. just because you are paralyzed doesnt mean you cant think. write a book or do something that doesnt involve much physical movement (remote IT support anyone?). the problem is too many people that get caught up in that unfortunate situation give up. now, i'll give them every part of the argument that it sucks ass for them, but that is life. deal with the circumstances and rise up (no pun intended).

What if they are paralyzed from the neck down?

Stephen hawking seems to be doing just fine. this is just another excuse to quit and fail. people like that make me sick. i feel for them and it sucks ass to be in the situation, but to quit is to be a burden on society and humanity and if they are going to give up i just assume they die. this world shouldn't be so kind to quitters.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: chusteczka
A few months ago, Paris Hilton's grandfather made a decision to create a charitable trust and gave a significant majority of the Hilton wealth (90% ?) to that trust. The media was happily stating how wonderful the elder Hilton was for giving so much to charity. The Hilton lifestyle has not changed since then. They have not become any less wealthy. Who controls that Hilton charitable trust? The Hiltons control it. What taxes are paid by that trust? No taxes are paid when an insignificant portion of that trust is actually used for a charitable purpose. So the Hiltons get to keep control of their money without paying any taxes on it. In addition, people may voluntarily contribute their own money to the Hilton's control, voluntarily adding to the Hilton fortune.

One of my close friends has a daughter who just graduated high school in a rich northwestern Chicago suburb. This friend's daughter was invited to a graduation party for her friend, whose father controls a large charity. I believe it was the American Cancer Society but am not certain. This man owned an extremely large home in a very expensive area that resembled a fantastic country club, only better. Where did the money come from to pay for this luxurious home? From all the contributions to that charity.

Trust funds were established in the beginning of this century as a method for the rich to evade paying taxes. It is literally impossible to track money flow from one trust fund to the next. However, the managers of those trusts have full control over the funds. This is how Rockefeller was able to keep control of his money, by creating the Standard Oil Trust and then creating hundreds more trusts.

What does a Trust Fund have to do with a Charity?

What about local charities that help the homeless, battered women, animals, people in 3rd world nations, etc? All of them are funding their Founders with huge mansions and such? I think your few examples make-up about.1% of all of the charities and non-profits that exist.

Stop being ignorant.

 

[Born2bwire]

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
Fucking communist

Fixed. Don't go all soft on me now oldsmoboat. If you're going to call some dirty red scoundrel a pinko, do it with gusto and pride, the AMERICAN WAY. How dare you, you fing commie bastard!

 

[Journer]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: chusteczka
A few months ago, Paris Hilton's grandfather made a decision to create a charitable trust and gave a significant majority of the Hilton wealth (90% ?) to that trust. The media was happily stating how wonderful the elder Hilton was for giving so much to charity. The Hilton lifestyle has not changed since then. They have not become any less wealthy. Who controls that Hilton charitable trust? The Hiltons control it. What taxes are paid by that trust? No taxes are paid when an insignificant portion of that trust is actually used for a charitable purpose. So the Hiltons get to keep control of their money without paying any taxes on it. In addition, people may voluntarily contribute their own money to the Hilton's control, voluntarily adding to the Hilton fortune.

One of my close friends has a daughter who just graduated high school in a rich northwestern Chicago suburb. This friend's daughter was invited to a graduation party for her friend, whose father controls a large charity. I believe it was the American Cancer Society but am not certain. This man owned an extremely large home in a very expensive area that resembled a fantastic country club, only better. Where did the money come from to pay for this luxurious home? From all the contributions to that charity.

Trust funds were established in the beginning of this century as a method for the rich to evade paying taxes. It is literally impossible to track money flow from one trust fund to the next. However, the managers of those trusts have full control over the funds. This is how Rockefeller was able to keep control of his money, by creating the Standard Oil Trust and then creating hundreds more trusts.

What does a Trust Fund have to do with a Charity?

What about local charities that help the homeless, battered women, animals, people in 3rd world nations, etc? All of them are funding their Founders with huge mansions and such? I think your few examples make-up about.1% of all of the charities and non-profits that exist.

Stop being ignorant.

you stop being ignorant. it is a widely known fact that huge percentages of money going to 3rd world countries fuels wars and keeps war lords supplied. as far as i'm concerned, any charity should go towards research that would provide betterment for all of humanity, not just some fucks in one part of the world. make better rice for me, better rice for everyone. i bet third world living is a lot better now than it was 100 years ago thanks to technology and science. granted, it still sucks ass, but is likely better.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: Journer

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Journer

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Journer

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: Journer
the world will NOT be a better place. your parents got there by being irresponsible. no excuse can convince me otherwise. if they got strongarmed out of a job or retirement benefits, it is their own damn fault for not having a contingency plan and recognizing the way the world is. so, kindly fuck off and spread your socialist, naive, and utterly unsound comments somewhere else. bitch.

i dont think the world is as clear cut as you think buddy...

every sob story is preceded by the person's incompetence, somewhere along the line. ones that try to blame it on outside factors are trying to push their own blindness onto other matters.

Another wow. So, someone gets paralyzed by a shooting outside that goes thru their window is not able to work anymore. That person loses everything and becomes homeless b/c they are not able to work anymore is b/c he/she is incompetent?

i've seen plenty of paralyzed people work. hell, they probably get precedence over me, no thanks to the ADA. just because you are paralyzed doesnt mean you cant think. write a book or do something that doesnt involve much physical movement (remote IT support anyone?). the problem is too many people that get caught up in that unfortunate situation give up. now, i'll give them every part of the argument that it sucks ass for them, but that is life. deal with the circumstances and rise up (no pun intended).

What if they are paralyzed from the neck down?

Stephen hawking seems to be doing just fine. this is just another excuse to quit and fail. people like that make me sick. i feel for them and it sucks ass to be in the situation, but to quit is to be a burden on society and humanity and if they are going to give up i just assume they die. this world shouldn't be so kind to quitters.

You do know that he became incapacitated after he became famous and successful right?

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: Journer

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: chusteczka
A few months ago, Paris Hilton's grandfather made a decision to create a charitable trust and gave a significant majority of the Hilton wealth (90% ?) to that trust. The media was happily stating how wonderful the elder Hilton was for giving so much to charity. The Hilton lifestyle has not changed since then. They have not become any less wealthy. Who controls that Hilton charitable trust? The Hiltons control it. What taxes are paid by that trust? No taxes are paid when an insignificant portion of that trust is actually used for a charitable purpose. So the Hiltons get to keep control of their money without paying any taxes on it. In addition, people may voluntarily contribute their own money to the Hilton's control, voluntarily adding to the Hilton fortune.

One of my close friends has a daughter who just graduated high school in a rich northwestern Chicago suburb. This friend's daughter was invited to a graduation party for her friend, whose father controls a large charity. I believe it was the American Cancer Society but am not certain. This man owned an extremely large home in a very expensive area that resembled a fantastic country club, only better. Where did the money come from to pay for this luxurious home? From all the contributions to that charity.

Trust funds were established in the beginning of this century as a method for the rich to evade paying taxes. It is literally impossible to track money flow from one trust fund to the next. However, the managers of those trusts have full control over the funds. This is how Rockefeller was able to keep control of his money, by creating the Standard Oil Trust and then creating hundreds more trusts.

What does a Trust Fund have to do with a Charity?

What about local charities that help the homeless, battered women, animals, people in 3rd world nations, etc? All of them are funding their Founders with huge mansions and such? I think your few examples make-up about.1% of all of the charities and non-profits that exist.

Stop being ignorant.

you stop being ignorant. it is a widely known fact that huge percentages of money going to 3rd world countries fuels wars and keeps war lords supplied. as far as i'm concerned, any charity should go towards research that would provide betterment for all of humanity, not just some fucks in one part of the world. make better rice for me, better rice for everyone. i bet third world living is a lot better now than it was 100 years ago thanks to technology and science. granted, it still sucks ass, but is likely better.

You mean the Charity work that Unicef, World Vision, etc goes to fuel wars? Please provide some links. You might be thinking of gov't aid by nations to other nations but please show me a charity doing this, I'm so ignorant.

Well, when you start your own Charity, you can do what the fuck you want. Other Charities want to help some fucks in one part of the world. It's there money and resources, so I think they can do what the fuck they want with it.

Why do you care? I'm assuming you don't give any money to charity anyways b/c anyone accepting charity is just incompetent.

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: CrazyShiz
I just hate it when people misuse ideologies as insults

you must hate every thread in ATOT then.
FWIW, it irks me too. communist this, socialist that. damn liberal hippies, etc

 

[Journer]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Journer

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Journer

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Journer

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: Journer
the world will NOT be a better place. your parents got there by being irresponsible. no excuse can convince me otherwise. if they got strongarmed out of a job or retirement benefits, it is their own damn fault for not having a contingency plan and recognizing the way the world is. so, kindly fuck off and spread your socialist, naive, and utterly unsound comments somewhere else. bitch.

i dont think the world is as clear cut as you think buddy...

every sob story is preceded by the person's incompetence, somewhere along the line. ones that try to blame it on outside factors are trying to push their own blindness onto other matters.

Another wow. So, someone gets paralyzed by a shooting outside that goes thru their window is not able to work anymore. That person loses everything and becomes homeless b/c they are not able to work anymore is b/c he/she is incompetent?

i've seen plenty of paralyzed people work. hell, they probably get precedence over me, no thanks to the ADA. just because you are paralyzed doesnt mean you cant think. write a book or do something that doesnt involve much physical movement (remote IT support anyone?). the problem is too many people that get caught up in that unfortunate situation give up. now, i'll give them every part of the argument that it sucks ass for them, but that is life. deal with the circumstances and rise up (no pun intended).

What if they are paralyzed from the neck down?

Stephen hawking seems to be doing just fine. this is just another excuse to quit and fail. people like that make me sick. i feel for them and it sucks ass to be in the situation, but to quit is to be a burden on society and humanity and if they are going to give up i just assume they die. this world shouldn't be so kind to quitters.

You do know that he became incapacitated after he became famous and successful right?

and it didnt stop him from doing more