Dean Working to Be Seen as Foreign Policy Centrist

MonstaThrilla

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Frontpage Yesterday in the Washington Post

Democratic presidential candidate Howard Dean said he would offer a package deal to North Korea to give up its nuclear weapons programs and he embraced an unofficial peace plan that establishes the borders of a Palestinian state -- breaking dramatically with the approaches of the Bush administration.

Dean, who has risen to the top of the Democratic field in part because of his early and vehement opposition to the war in Iraq, also said he favors immediate elections in Iraq to replace the U.S.-appointed Iraqi Governing Council, which he said is viewed by the average Iraqi as "simply a council of American-chosen puppets." Dean further said he would end funding for the deployment of a missile defense system, a centerpiece of President Bush's presidential campaign four years ago.

But in a wide-ranging 50-minute interview on foreign policy, given as he flew from Burlington, Vt., to Omaha on Friday, Dean also indicated he agreed with a number of Bush's foreign policy stances. In a speech Monday, Dean will seek to counter his image as a darling of the left by positioning himself as a centrist Democrat on foreign policy. Dean portrayed himself as a realist, willing to use military force if necessary, and to maintain relationships and alliances, even if freedom and democracy in countries such as Russia and Pakistan are eroded.

Indeed, Dean suggested that on some issues, the difference between Bush and himself was more of tone and temperament. He said, for instance, he would not have warned Taiwan not to hold a referendum on Chinese missiles if the Chinese premier was at his side, as Bush did last week. "The president's policy is right, but the president's public slap [at Taiwan] wasn't necessary," Dean said.

"Nuance matters in foreign policy," Dean said. "Not only does this administration have a tin ear and want to push through whatever they want to do without regard to people's feelings or thoughts, I think nuance escapes this administration."

The interview, the first time Dean has been questioned in detail about his foreign policy views, appeared to be part of an effort to transform Dean from a candidate known largely for a single, defining issue -- opposition to the war in Iraq -- to someone with the gravitas to be president and deal with the complex foreign policy challenges of the age.

In March 2000, Dean told a Canadian public affairs program that 98 percent of the public does not vote based on a candidate's foreign policy views, "unless they are really a wacko." Now, he says, because of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks and the Iraq war, national security is the most important issue in this election after the economy. "This president has forfeited our moral leadership in the world because people dislike us so much," he said.

As part of this transition, Dean has begun to pull into his campaign a team of senior foreign policy advisers, many of whom served in the Clinton administration. His campaign will announce the members of this "kitchen cabinet" Monday when he makes his speech, which along with a planned economics speech is intended to lay out his major themes before the New Hampshire primary Jan. 27.

For the text of today's speech, see here. The problem is that that text isn't a pure transcript of his speech, as there were some revisions made to the speech he actually gave. Most notably, he made the statement "The capture of Saddam Hussein does not make American safer" and that isn't included in the text.
 

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Ha! What a laugher! Centrist? does that mean make everyone happy? Naw I still do not believe that label!!!:p
 

Dari

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According to my sources in the Dean camp, he was visibly angry at the capture of Hussein. They said Dean wanted to see the dictator elude the Coalition forces; the insurgent terrorists increase their attacks on the US and her allies; and wanted to see many more American soldiers come home in bodybags, just in time for Ramadan and the 2004 Election in November.
 

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Originally posted by: Dari
According to my sources in the Dean camp, he was visibly angry at the capture of Hussein. They said Dean wanted to see the dictator elude the Coalition forces; the insurgent terrorists increase their attacks on the US and her allies; and wanted to see many more American soldiers come home in bodybags, just in time for Ramadan and the 2004 Election in November.

Not calling you a liar Dari, but isn't it odd that people working for Dean would say things like that?

 

Dari

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Originally posted by: Gaard
Originally posted by: Dari
According to my sources in the Dean camp, he was visibly angry at the capture of Hussein. They said Dean wanted to see the dictator elude the Coalition forces; the insurgent terrorists increase their attacks on the US and her allies; and wanted to see many more American soldiers come home in bodybags, just in time for Ramadan and the 2004 Election in November.

Not calling you a liar Dari, but isn't it odd that people working for Dean would say things like that?

Not if they think you're one of them.
 

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Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: Gaard
Originally posted by: Dari
According to my sources in the Dean camp, he was visibly angry at the capture of Hussein. They said Dean wanted to see the dictator elude the Coalition forces; the insurgent terrorists increase their attacks on the US and her allies; and wanted to see many more American soldiers come home in bodybags, just in time for Ramadan and the 2004 Election in November.

Not calling you a liar Dari, but isn't it odd that people working for Dean would say things like that?

Not if they think you're one of them.

:) Do you take your martinis shaken, not stirred?

 

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Does he want to cut all funding for missile defense or just stop with this deployment phase they're thinking about rushing out?
 

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"Nuance matters in foreign policy," Dean said. "Not only does this administration have a tin ear and want to push through whatever they want to do without regard to people's feelings or thoughts, I think nuance escapes this administration."

I'm sure Dean knows this from his extensive foreign affairs experience. I mean, I'm sure he knows lots from running his gigantic state but heck, has he even ever been out of the country? Maybe for skiing?
 

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Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: Gaard
Originally posted by: Dari
According to my sources in the Dean camp, he was visibly angry at the capture of Hussein. They said Dean wanted to see the dictator elude the Coalition forces; the insurgent terrorists increase their attacks on the US and her allies; and wanted to see many more American soldiers come home in bodybags, just in time for Ramadan and the 2004 Election in November.

Not calling you a liar Dari, but isn't it odd that people working for Dean would say things like that?

Not if they think you're one of them.

So you've infiltrated the Dean camp? What else have you learned? :D
 

Jhhnn

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According to my sources in the Dean camp, he was visibly angry at the capture of Hussein. They said Dean wanted to see the dictator elude the Coalition forces; the insurgent terrorists increase their attacks on the US and her allies; and wanted to see many more American soldiers come home in bodybags, just in time for Ramadan and the 2004 Election in November.

Outright slander and and attack by innuendo. Not surprising, considering the source and the desperation of the Uber-Right to maintain their hold on power, no matter how many bodybags it takes...
 

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Originally posted by: Dari
According to my sources in the Dean camp, he was visibly angry at the capture of Hussein. They said Dean wanted to see the dictator elude the Coalition forces; the insurgent terrorists increase their attacks on the US and her allies; and wanted to see many more American soldiers come home in bodybags, just in time for Ramadan and the 2004 Election in November.

You have to link - especially with allegations of that severity, and knowing that Dean isn't exactly your political hero.

Andy
 

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As someone who really does do work for the Dean campaign, I should point out that the organization is so loose and decentralized that it would be impossible for anyone outside the few head honchos that work in Burlington or travel with the Governor daily to actually witness any such thing happening.

The campaign is run at the local level by independent people, with the headquarters at Burlington rarely if ever interjecting in their work. Its a great system because it allows the local volunteers to do whatever they feel is necessary with alot of freedom, yet HQ is always there if they need some help, monetarily or otherwise. It also promotes the feeling that we, the volunteers, have alot of power in the campaign, and thus it attracts more volunteers to join. Dean has of course used this notion of empowering citizens as a campaign platform.

The volunteers rarely if ever are privy to any true insider information, we are told alot of plans and such for the future so we can prepare, but not juicy rumours like the one that has been alleged.

In other words, Dari is full of sh!t.
 

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I think nuance escapes this administration

hahahah...

This from the fellow who said he wanted to court the vote of people who flew confederate flags (or something like that)
This from the fellow who has all his records from his Governorship locked up.
This from a guy who claims he's "green" but has two ford explorer SUV's back home.
 

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Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
I think nuance escapes this administration

hahahah...

This from the fellow who said he wanted to court the vote of people who flew confederate flags (or something like that)
This from the fellow who has all his records from his Governorship locked up.
This from a guy who claims he's "green" but has two ford explorer SUV's back home.

To refute two of your arguments:

1. That's a gross misrepresentation of his statement. If you analyze the statement carefully, all he's saying is that, in order to be an effective political candidate, you have to get votes from all groups of people in the US, even the unpopular ones. That's how democracy works. Doesn't mean you necessarily have to agree with their views. Sure, he chose a bad example, but the effect of the statement is not lessened as a result.

2. Not all of his records are locked up. The vast majority are open to anyone willing to go to Vermont and ask to see them. The only ones that are closed are personal letters detailing specific, confidential problems from residents of the state. There's no benefit to be gained from opening records that state such things as "I've been diagnosed with HIV and Medicare is threatening to cut my benefits. Can you intercede on my behalf?" Those are the records that are closed, because the public has no right to know the confidential information about the people who wrote the letter. Anything else you want to see is wide open for the taking.
 

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Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK
"Nuance matters in foreign policy," Dean said. "Not only does this administration have a tin ear and want to push through whatever they want to do without regard to people's feelings or thoughts, I think nuance escapes this administration."

I'm sure Dean knows this from his extensive foreign affairs experience. I mean, I'm sure he knows lots from running his gigantic state but heck, has he even ever been out of the country? Maybe for skiing?


Why would he want to go out of state to go skiing the skiing is great in Vermont.
 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: Gaard
Originally posted by: Dari
According to my sources in the Dean camp, he was visibly angry at the capture of Hussein. They said Dean wanted to see the dictator elude the Coalition forces; the insurgent terrorists increase their attacks on the US and her allies; and wanted to see many more American soldiers come home in bodybags, just in time for Ramadan and the 2004 Election in November.

Not calling you a liar Dari, but isn't it odd that people working for Dean would say things like that?

From Dean's "Blog For America"



I can't believe this. I'm crying here. I feel that we now don't have a chance in this election.
Posted by Carrie B at December 14, 2003 10:03 AM

****

I'd like to remind folks to keep in mind...

The press is reading.

Posted by cdmarine at December 14, 2003 10:06 AM

Tee hee.
 

MonstaThrilla

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Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: Gaard
Originally posted by: Dari
According to my sources in the Dean camp, he was visibly angry at the capture of Hussein. They said Dean wanted to see the dictator elude the Coalition forces; the insurgent terrorists increase their attacks on the US and her allies; and wanted to see many more American soldiers come home in bodybags, just in time for Ramadan and the 2004 Election in November.

Not calling you a liar Dari, but isn't it odd that people working for Dean would say things like that?

From Dean's "Blog For America"



I can't believe this. I'm crying here. I feel that we now don't have a chance in this election.
Posted by Carrie B at December 14, 2003 10:03 AM

****

I'd like to remind folks to keep in mind...

The press is reading.

Posted by cdmarine at December 14, 2003 10:06 AM

Tee hee.

Yes. A bunch of anonymous people posting on the comments section of the blog (which only die hard Deanies or hardcore Dean haters read or post to) really are representative of the Dean campaign.
rolleye.gif
 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: Gaard
Originally posted by: Dari
According to my sources in the Dean camp, he was visibly angry at the capture of Hussein. They said Dean wanted to see the dictator elude the Coalition forces; the insurgent terrorists increase their attacks on the US and her allies; and wanted to see many more American soldiers come home in bodybags, just in time for Ramadan and the 2004 Election in November.

Not calling you a liar Dari, but isn't it odd that people working for Dean would say things like that?

From Dean's "Blog For America"



I can't believe this. I'm crying here. I feel that we now don't have a chance in this election.
Posted by Carrie B at December 14, 2003 10:03 AM

****

I'd like to remind folks to keep in mind...

The press is reading.

Posted by cdmarine at December 14, 2003 10:06 AM

Tee hee.

Yes. A bunch of anonymous people posting on the comments section of the blog (which only die hard Deanies or hardcore Dean haters read or post to) really are representative of the Dean campaign.
rolleye.gif

So either a) it was a Dean supporter, who shares, admires, supports Deans viewpoints and ARE representative of his viewpoints, or b) it was a plant, all part of a vast right wing conspiracy?
rolleye.gif
 

MonstaThrilla

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Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: Gaard
Originally posted by: Dari
According to my sources in the Dean camp, he was visibly angry at the capture of Hussein. They said Dean wanted to see the dictator elude the Coalition forces; the insurgent terrorists increase their attacks on the US and her allies; and wanted to see many more American soldiers come home in bodybags, just in time for Ramadan and the 2004 Election in November.

Not calling you a liar Dari, but isn't it odd that people working for Dean would say things like that?

From Dean's "Blog For America"



I can't believe this. I'm crying here. I feel that we now don't have a chance in this election.
Posted by Carrie B at December 14, 2003 10:03 AM

****

I'd like to remind folks to keep in mind...

The press is reading.

Posted by cdmarine at December 14, 2003 10:06 AM

Tee hee.

Yes. A bunch of anonymous people posting on the comments section of the blog (which only die hard Deanies or hardcore Dean haters read or post to) really are representative of the Dean campaign.
rolleye.gif

So either a) it was a Dean supporter, who shares, admires, supports Deans viewpoints and ARE representative of his viewpoints, or b) it was a plant, all part of a vast right wing conspiracy?
rolleye.gif

Dude, you're being ridiculous. Lighten up. My point is so simple and obvious. What one, single anonymous Dean supporter (or hater, there's no way of knowing who that person is) says on the comments section of the Dean blog is in no way, shape, or form representative of the candidate or his campaign.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: Gaard
Originally posted by: Dari
According to my sources in the Dean camp, he was visibly angry at the capture of Hussein. They said Dean wanted to see the dictator elude the Coalition forces; the insurgent terrorists increase their attacks on the US and her allies; and wanted to see many more American soldiers come home in bodybags, just in time for Ramadan and the 2004 Election in November.

Not calling you a liar Dari, but isn't it odd that people working for Dean would say things like that?

From Dean's "Blog For America"



I can't believe this. I'm crying here. I feel that we now don't have a chance in this election.
Posted by Carrie B at December 14, 2003 10:03 AM

****

I'd like to remind folks to keep in mind...

The press is reading.

Posted by cdmarine at December 14, 2003 10:06 AM

Tee hee.

Yes. A bunch of anonymous people posting on the comments section of the blog (which only die hard Deanies or hardcore Dean haters read or post to) really are representative of the Dean campaign.
rolleye.gif

So either a) it was a Dean supporter, who shares, admires, supports Deans viewpoints and ARE representative of his viewpoints, or b) it was a plant, all part of a vast right wing conspiracy?
rolleye.gif

Ever read http://democraticunderground.com/

They have had alot of "interesting" things to say about all this.

CkG
 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: Gaard
Originally posted by: Dari
According to my sources in the Dean camp, he was visibly angry at the capture of Hussein. They said Dean wanted to see the dictator elude the Coalition forces; the insurgent terrorists increase their attacks on the US and her allies; and wanted to see many more American soldiers come home in bodybags, just in time for Ramadan and the 2004 Election in November.

Not calling you a liar Dari, but isn't it odd that people working for Dean would say things like that?

From Dean's "Blog For America"



I can't believe this. I'm crying here. I feel that we now don't have a chance in this election.
Posted by Carrie B at December 14, 2003 10:03 AM

****

I'd like to remind folks to keep in mind...

The press is reading.

Posted by cdmarine at December 14, 2003 10:06 AM

Tee hee.

Yes. A bunch of anonymous people posting on the comments section of the blog (which only die hard Deanies or hardcore Dean haters read or post to) really are representative of the Dean campaign.
rolleye.gif

So either a) it was a Dean supporter, who shares, admires, supports Deans viewpoints and ARE representative of his viewpoints, or b) it was a plant, all part of a vast right wing conspiracy?
rolleye.gif

Dude, you're being ridiculous. Lighten up. My point is so simple and obvious. What one, single anonymous Dean supporter (or hater, there's no way of knowing who that person is) says on the comments section of the Dean blog is in no way, shape, or form representative of the candidate or his campaign.
Nope, it's just one note in the overall orchestra of the democrats yammering "Yes, but..." about the capture of Hussein. But a nice striking note, I enjoyed it.


My favorite Dean quotes:
?We?ve gotten rid of him (Saddam Hussein), I suppose that?s a good thing,?


"Mr. President, if you'll pardon me, I'll teach you a little about defense."

"I suppose Iraqis who have endured Saddam's torture chambers, acid baths and other human-rights abuses will think [his ouster was] a good thing."
 

MonstaThrilla

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Hilarious CkG. Very classy.

Alchemize, I don't know where you got those quotes from. I thought the "suppose" quotes were about Odai and Qusai. Anyway, I really don't understand your point. Too convoluted and twisted for my lefty wacko mind to comprehend I guess.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla
Hilarious CkG. Very classy.

Alchemize, I don't know where you got those quotes from. I thought the "suppose" quotes were about Odai and Qusai. Anyway, I really don't understand your point. Too convoluted and twisted for my lefty wacko mind to comprehend I guess.

I can't take credit for the idea - I just found it hilarious. I don't suppose you find this one funny either - no? :p

Come on - laugh. It's good for the soul.

CkG
 

MonstaThrilla

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla
Hilarious CkG. Very classy.

Alchemize, I don't know where you got those quotes from. I thought the "suppose" quotes were about Odai and Qusai. Anyway, I really don't understand your point. Too convoluted and twisted for my lefty wacko mind to comprehend I guess.

I can't take credit for the idea - I just found it hilarious. I don't suppose you find this one funny either - no? :p

Come on - laugh. It's good for the soul.

CkG


Hah. I do like that last one.
 

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Dean? Centrist? I wonder, if you put those words on two opposite of a box, and dropped it, would it spin around, giving perpetual motion--you know, like a cat and buttered toast?