Dean Soars into Huge Lead in New Hampshire

[CADsortaGUY]

Leads Kerry 40-17 Among Likely Voters; Clark and Edwards in Distant 3rd

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Dean earned 40%, compared to Massachusetts Senator John Kerry?s 17%. None of the other candidates have exceeded single digits in the polling. Retired General Wesley Clark and North Carolina Senator John Edwards are tied for third with 6% each.
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I find some of the other things they point out the stats for are quite interesting too.

Sunday should be quite an interesting and lively debate.

CkG

 

[lozina]

New Hampshire- Live Free or Die, right? I love that motto.

 

[dmcowen674]

"Dean Soars into Huge Lead in New Hampshire"

Should be no surprise from the next President.

 

[Insane3D]

Being a NH resident, I look forward to hearing him speak and getting some specifics on what he plans to do if he is elected. I work in a hotel here in southern NH, and come election season, we get very busy. We have already had Dean here once before, but working 3rd shift, I missed a chance to meet him.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Insane3D
Being a NH resident, I look forward to hearing him speak and getting some specifics on what he plans to do if he is elected. I work in a hotel here in southern NH, and come election season, we get very busy. We have already had Dean here once before, but working 3rd shift, I missed a chance to meet him.

Well, I'm sure he'll be up there quite a bit in the coming months and weeks...as will all the rest of them.

CkG

 

[Piano Man]

Latest Newsweek poll put Bush vs Dean at 49 to 43 percent. Things are getting interesting indeed. I hope he can pull a victory in Iowa. It looks like he's gonna because Gephart is losing steam.

 

[chess9]

Well, if Dean is nominated a lot of the Dems are going to have to swallow hard and you can be sure they will be asked some very tough questions. Some of them have all but called Dean a liar and a traitor. We'll see if they can come behind him effectively.

Dean is not a liberal as some people make him out to be. A guy like Kucinich has NO CHANCE. Ditto for Lieberman who is the one candidate who can be more boring than Gore!. I suspect that the only ones who voted for the war who have a chance are Gebhardt and Kerry. Geb carries a lot of union baggage, and Kerry is the most long-winded guy on this planet. He is right behind Lieberman for yawn quotient. Also, too bad Carol M. Braun doesn't have the money or organization because I really like her personally. Her values sound pretty solid to me and it's time for a black VP candidate. If Dean picked her he'd have a lot of women's and black's votes, but might suffer with the white males.

This is starting to look like a real horse race next year. If Bush is in trouble on the economy next year (unlikely) I think he will be in a very close race. Absent a bad economy, even with Bush's truly immoral handling of the war, the American public will probably give him another term. Right now, my bets are on Bush returning to office.

CAD, you are a hopeless political junkie. I'm glad I don't have that problem...much.

-Robert

 

[ElFenix]

clinton didn't win the NH primary

who gives a fvck about NH anyway, it's electorally worthless

 

[chess9]

Well, a lot can happen in the next 6 months, but I'd say going through NH is still the tried and true route and none of the commentators I've heard has said that NH was inconsequential. Of course, what the few of us who follow politics closely think is in no way related to reality.

-Robert

 

[zod]

Its gonna come down to Dean and Clark.

I can't see how Lieberman is a good national candidate. He's Jewish <gasp!> and has too many conservative tendencies (censorship, anti-rap, etc).

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: chess9

CAD, you are a hopeless political junkie. I'm glad I don't have that problem...much.

-Robert

I've been accused of worse

I tend to think of it as being "in tune with the political wranglings" instead of being a junkie Some will take issue with the "being in tune" part but I don't mind that - I tend to think the same of them

But yes I enjoy politics and try to stay up to date on as many issues as I can. I listen to talk radio and NPR all day and read newspapers and multiple online news sources in my daily routine. I feel it's good to stay informed.

At this point Dean is still in the Driver's seat. It'd take a big blunder for him to be defeated(in the primaries)...or it'd take a novel move on the part of one of the other candidates...like say, maybe the Florida straw poll? could that be Deans blunder move? or could it be one of the other's chance to make a primetime splash?

CkG

 

[chess9]

Well, some folks think Florida is all wrapped up by Jeb for his bro, but I don't think so. We have a definite split here between whites and browns/blacks. Turnout is the primary issue for Florida. So many people don't vote. Anyway, I don't think the straw poll here will be that big a deal. Right now, the major problem for Dean is he is an outsider who is not being welcomed by the Dems. He just went negative in NH and that sort of thing may actually bury his chances with the rest of the party (he should have just borne the slings and arrows so making up is NOT hard to do). The delegates to the convention elect the nominee, so I think we'll see a lot pressure on Dean from insiders to come on board as a VP with someone else, like Hillary as the Presidential candidate! I would not rule out Hillary jumping in at the convention. She is just too much of a political animal and if Bush is in serious trouble, she's a shoo in, no? The only reason Hillary isn't running right now is because she knows Bush is not vulnerable...yet. The smart money is on Bush winning, so Hillary probably figures she'll let the second tier candidates beat their brains out. I can't stand her, but I think she's doing the politically savvy thing.

-Robert

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: chess9
Well, some folks think Florida is all wrapped up by Jeb for his bro, but I don't think so. We have a definite split here between whites and browns/blacks. Turnout is the primary issue for Florida. So many people don't vote. Anyway, I don't think the straw poll here will be that big a deal. Right now, the major problem for Dean is he is an outsider who is not being welcomed by the Dems. He just went negative in NH and that sort of thing may actually bury his chances with the rest of the party (he should have just borne the slings and arrows so making up is NOT hard to do). The delegates to the convention elect the nominee, so I think we'll see a lot pressure on Dean from insiders to come on board as a VP with someone else, like Hillary as the Presidential candidate! I would not rule out Hillary jumping in at the convention. She is just too much of a political animal and if Bush is in serious trouble, she's a shoo in, no? The only reason Hillary isn't running right now is because she knows Bush is not vulnerable...yet. The smart money is on Bush winning, so Hillary probably figures she'll let the second tier candidates beat their brains out. I can't stand her, but I think she's doing the politically savvy thing.

-Robert

:beer:

CkG

 

[heartsurgeon]

i hope dean can win the democrat nomination, just so he can
purge the DNC of clinton people...

 

[Ferocious]

Bush beats Gephardt in 2004 by a comfortable margin.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: chess9
Well, a lot can happen in the next 6 months, but I'd say going through NH is still the tried and true route and none of the commentators I've heard has said that NH was inconsequential. Of course, what the few of us who follow politics closely think is in no way related to reality.

-Robert

the NH primary is all about money. you win, that makes you a frontrunner (although it'd be like being frontrunner after the first 100 yards of a marathon) so people start putting money on you. in that matter its not inconsequential.

if i were the governor of texas i'd move texas to the week before NH primary, just to screw with NH.

 

[chowderhead]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
clinton didn't win the NH primary

who gives a fvck about NH anyway, it's electorally worthless

I agree that NH and Iowa are not good indicators of national support especially for Democrats because of the state's demographics i.e. rural, white and with primary voters more liberal and even more elderly.
New Hampshire was the ONLY New England state to vote for GWB in 2000. Gore lost the state and its 4 "worthless electoral votes" to GWB by about 7,200 votes out of the over 530,000 votes casted in New Hampshire
New Hampshire 2000 General Election by CNN
BTW, Ralph Nader and the green party received over 22,000 votes. Give Gore 4 more votes, he's got 270. GWB would drop down to 267. hmmm. worthless. ??

Edited: for that dreaded spelling thang.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
i hope dean can win the democrat nomination, just so he can
purge the DNC of clinton people...

I think there are quite a few on the far left that would agree with that. The Clintons don't bother me too much, Hillary does more than Bill though.

CkG

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
i hope dean can win the democrat nomination, just so he can
purge the DNC of clinton people...

I think there are quite a few on the far left that would agree with that. The Clintons don't bother me too much, Hillary does more than Bill though.

CkG

Hillary has a lot of pull with Women & Minority voters. I can't really ecplain fully why other than maybe they believe she represents them best?

In any case I still would not be surprised to see a Dean/Clinton Ticket and they would win.