Dean?s Gay-Marriage Nightmare: "It makes me uncomfortable."

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Dean?s Gay-Marriage Nightmare



...The issue of gay marriage has been building since the U.S. Supreme Court decision struck down a Texas sodomy law last spring. Gay issues have now replaced abortion as the battleground wedge issue. Every court in the country eventually will rule that committed gay partnerships deserve the same legal protections as traditional marriage. But the inevitability of the social transformation does little to blunt its use as a divisive political issue. ?Bush won?t talk about it, but they?ll get the message out through groups like the Committee for the Defense of Marriage,? says a Republican Senate staffer. ?By the time Rove gets done with Howard Dean, he?ll have him performing gay marriages.?


...Freyne had been pressing Dean to state his position on gay marriage, which had been working its way through the courts. ?For three years you?ve ducked this,? he remembers saying at the press conference. ?Now that it?s been out of the courts for an hour, how do you feel??

?It makes me uncomfortable, the same as anybody else,? Dean replied. The remark made headlines and created friction with the gay community, but it didn?t signal a lesser commitment by Dean to finding a solution. His office in the state capitol was besieged by advocates and opponents, fielding at least 1,000 calls a day instead of the usual 50. Dean on occasion would pick up the phone without revealing it was he and check off the caller?s sentiments on a master list. There were death threats along with a menacing caller who said he knew where Dean?s children went to school. Dean did town meetings in the most conservative parts of the state, and the legislature held hearings on the history of marriage. (The Christian model of faithful monogamy only evolved in Western societies in the early 1700s.)


Still, Seven Days? Freyne believes he saw a different Dean emerge the day he took responsibility for the legislation. ?He looked like death warmed over at the press conference following the ruling,? Freyne said. ?Now he seemed to be saying, ?I ain?t dead yet?.?

 

dahunan

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Didn't Bush propose a Constitutional Ammendment to ban gay marriage??

Feeling uncomfortable about something is NOTHING compared to re-writing the constitution :disgust:
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: dahunan
Didn't Bush propose a Constitutional Ammendment to ban gay marriage??

Feeling uncomfortable about something is NOTHING compared to re-writing the constitution :disgust:

No - any Constitutional amendment would be something along the lines of the DMA that Clinton signed.

CkG
 

dahunan

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: dahunan
Didn't Bush propose a Constitutional Ammendment to ban gay marriage??

Feeling uncomfortable about something is NOTHING compared to re-writing the constitution :disgust:

No - any Constitutional amendment would be something along the lines of the DMA that Clinton signed.

CkG

BTW, I am not a Democrat or a Republican... I just hate 95% of all politicians.


So since Clinton ammended the Constitution it is OK for Bush to do it.. <<based on RELIGIOUS Dogma??
 

BaliBabyDoc

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Oligophrenic (props to UQ) law versus idiotic amendment to US Constitution?! The lunacy isn't even comparable.
 

dahunan

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: dahunan
Didn't Bush propose a Constitutional Ammendment to ban gay marriage??

Feeling uncomfortable about something is NOTHING compared to re-writing the constitution :disgust:

No - any Constitutional amendment would be something along the lines of the DMA that Clinton signed.

CkG


OK.. I just looked it up and it is also disgusting.. The President should have never signed something like that. Thank you for bringing it to my attention.
 

Gaard

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Technically CAD is right. To my knowledge, Bush never proposed an amendment. He did, however, seriously consider it.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: dahunan
Didn't Bush propose a Constitutional Ammendment to ban gay marriage??

Feeling uncomfortable about something is NOTHING compared to re-writing the constitution :disgust:

No - any Constitutional amendment would be something along the lines of the DMA that Clinton signed.

CkG


OK.. I just looked it up and it is also disgusting.. The President should have never signed something like that. Thank you for bringing it to my attention.

Just to make sure there is no confusion with the Digital Millenium Act - the one I was refering to was the Defense of Marriage Act. I should have posted DoMA:eek:

CkG
 

JackStorm

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From what I remember, Bush said he would "favor an amendment" or something along those lines. But he never "proposed" one. But it sure seems he would like one.
 

Genesys

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Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: dahunan
Didn't Bush propose a Constitutional Ammendment to ban gay marriage??

Feeling uncomfortable about something is NOTHING compared to re-writing the constitution :disgust:

No - any Constitutional amendment would be something along the lines of the DMA that Clinton signed.

CkG

BTW, I am not a Democrat or a Republican... I just hate 95% of all politicians.


So since Clinton ammended the Constitution it is OK for Bush to do it.. <<based on RELIGIOUS Dogma??

lol, i like how everyone assumes that someone who has a disgust for homosexuality and the homosexual agenda does so because of religious convictions.

nice to know that people are open minded.
 

dahunan

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Originally posted by: Genesys
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: dahunan
Didn't Bush propose a Constitutional Ammendment to ban gay marriage??

Feeling uncomfortable about something is NOTHING compared to re-writing the constitution :disgust:

No - any Constitutional amendment would be something along the lines of the DMA that Clinton signed.

CkG

BTW, I am not a Democrat or a Republican... I just hate 95% of all politicians.


So since Clinton ammended the Constitution it is OK for Bush to do it.. <<based on RELIGIOUS Dogma??

lol, i like how everyone assumes that someone who has a disgust for homosexuality and the homosexual agenda does so because of religious convictions.

nice to know that people are open minded.


Marriage is a religious institution ;)
 

Bitdog

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Those gays are threatening to destroy every thing I worked for.
It's damn near unAmerican & we need to set aside a country for them. (Antartica ?)
The sight of them is like litter.

Then once the instinctial reaction had subsided, I had a bit of time to think about it,
as if an instinctual reaction results in a thoughtless decision,
since I didn't take the time to think about it before I made a decision.

So after a little fore thought I found that what gays do in their own home or in their relationships
does not affect me, I'm the one that affects me & it's not their fault that I choose to mentally fall apart.
I am the one that is in control of me, or I'm not in control of myself.
As master of my destony, it is my choice's and I'm to blame when I choose to react before I think,
make a bad decision, or choose to hate others for no real reason other than personal ones.
What gays do in the privacy of their own home,
is something that simply does not affect what I do in the privacy of my own home.
I am not a mind reader, remote viewer, & don't believe that god wants me to descriminate against my neighbor.

I'm not striving for a perfect world, BECAUSE I know in a perfect world you would have to be taken out & shot
because you are not perfect. AND if you are choosing what a perfect world is, I'll be taken out and shot.
(shot, decriminated against, detered, stoled from by those with badges, etc)
Any way you look at it, NO ONE CAN CREATE A PERFECT WORLD because the discrimination it takes to do it, is not perfect,
& your idea of perfection is not my idea of perfection.
Tollerance of others is as close to perfection as we can possibly get.

The gays arn't destroying any thing I've worked for.
The persuit of happiness is the American way, & those who would deny any one that right, are UnAmerican.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, just as litter is.
How you view something is what you see in it.
You are in control of yourself & you are responsible for how you view things.
If you can't control yourself, then that issue needs to be addressed & resolved.

I knew a person who would look at & concentrate on the dirty house, when across the street was a well kept one.
I was unable to get them to switch their focus from belittling others to improve their standing, to something sensable.

If total gay rights was enforced and maritial rights granted as a right,
it wouldn't affect the life of one good person who is non gay.
Only the bad ones would be affected by themselves.
 
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I don't know why people are so bent out of shape about gay marriage. I mean hey, having a shlong up my backside isn't a thought that gives ME great comfort, either, so I don't do it, but if other consenting adults want that, what right do I have to stop them? NONE. It would be hypocritical of me to want laws banning some people from doing what they want with other adults in the privacy of their own homes when I would accept NO such laws directed toward me.

I suspect that straight people are just afraid that the gays will give marriage a better go than we've managed to do so far ;)

Jason
 

dahunan

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Something I fnd completely nutty is hoo many men think it is erotic and stimulating to see two lesbians going at it.. but they say the "hate gays" ==hypocritical freaks.
 
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Originally posted by: dahunan
Something I fnd completely nutty is hoo many men think it is erotic and stimulating to see two lesbians going at it.. but they say the "hate gays" ==hypocritical freaks.

It is a little hypocritcal, I agree, and even I am guilty of it. I used to date two *very* cute bisexual girls, which was beyond awesome, but I wasn't at all interested in the gay thing. Fortunately, they weren't either, hehe ;)

Jason