Dean insults Iowans; Caucuses dominated by extremist special interests

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"Which Howard Dean are Iowans going to vote for -- the one who insults them, or the one who will be soon releasing yet another clarifying statement?"

DES MOINES, Iowa ? Democratic presidential candidate Howard Dean, trying to limit the fallout from negative comments he made four years ago, said Friday he "really didn't understand the Iowa caucuses" when he said they were dominated by extremist special interests.

...On the program, Dean said: "If you look at the caucuses system, they are dominated by the special interests, in both sides, in both parties. The special interests don't represent the centrist tendencies of the American people. They represent the extremes."


Gephardt called an airport news conference where he labeled the comments "unbelievable" and said Iowa Democrats deserve an explanation.

"I can't understand his comments about special interests dominating the caucuses," Gephardt said. "Who are these special interests?"

He said he sees only "ordinary people" as he campaigns for the caucuses and that Dean should address the issue.

"He should certainly give them an explanation of what he meant when he said these things," Gephardt said.Iowans deserve an explanation."


Kerry spokeswoman Stephanie Cutter quipped that Dean "is going to extremes of his own to win over Iowa voters."

Howard Dean are Iowans going to vote for -- the one who insults them, or the one who will be soon releasing yet another clarifying statement?"

Dean made the comments on "The Editors," which covered U.S. and Canadian politics and was filmed in Montreal, not far north of Vermont. NBC News reviewed 90 of Dean's appearances on the show since 1996 and first reported his comments about the caucuses Thursday night.


The Dean campaign Thursday was forced to fire two low-level volunteers who went into Kerry's campaign offices posing as average voters. Kerry's campaign reacted with outrage. Dean aides said the campaign adheres to strict ethical codes and that the two volunteers were dismissed. [/quote]



 

CADsortaGUY

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Yep - lots of "interesting" stuff came from "The Editors" archives. Should be interesting how much it is used - especially here in Iowa since the caucus is only a few days away.

CkG
 

tallest1

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While I support Dean, the guy needs to know when to keep his mouth shut >: (
 

rahvin

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Dean scares you dosn't he Galt? Afraid he will cut millitary pensions?
 
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"Say I'm a guy who's got to work for a living, and I've got kids," he said on January 15, 2000. "On a Saturday, is it easy for me to go cast a ballot and spend 15 minutes doing it, or do I have to sit in a caucus for eight hours?"

"I can't stand there and listen to everyone else's opinion for eight hours about how to fix the world," Dean added.
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: tallest1
While I support Dean, the guy needs to know when to keep his mouth shut >: (

Considering he said this ~ 4 years ago, it's more of a case of people digging up old crap on Dean. It's to be expected I suppose.
 

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Originally posted by: Spencer278
yet another dean telling the turth and other being pissed off about it thread.

Oh, I think he was telling the truth 4 years ago. The Iowa caucus IS a way for the extremists to be heard and feel like they have a say. Unfortunately for dean - he doesn't think that way anymore because it isn't politically expedient.

CkG
 

SuperTool

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So what? Now that he's running for president and experienced the system firsthand, he can change his mind. Desparate Dem candidates and Republicans grasping for straws to bash Dean. GOP was running ads bashing him for saying "Thank you very very much". Apparently that is no longer the appropriate way to thank supporters in the GOP since it doesn't involve taxcuts and public money giveaways.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
"Which Howard Dean are Iowans going to vote for -- the one who insults them, or the one who will be soon releasing yet another clarifying statement?"

DES MOINES, Iowa ? Democratic presidential candidate Howard Dean, trying to limit the fallout from negative comments he made four years ago, said Friday he "really didn't understand the Iowa caucuses" when he said they were dominated by extremist special interests.

...On the program, Dean said: "If you look at the caucuses system, they are dominated by the special interests, in both sides, in both parties. The special interests don't represent the centrist tendencies of the American people. They represent the extremes."


Gephardt called an airport news conference where he labeled the comments "unbelievable" and said Iowa Democrats deserve an explanation.

"I can't understand his comments about special interests dominating the caucuses," Gephardt said. "Who are these special interests?"

He said he sees only "ordinary people" as he campaigns for the caucuses and that Dean should address the issue.

"He should certainly give them an explanation of what he meant when he said these things," Gephardt said.Iowans deserve an explanation."


Kerry spokeswoman Stephanie Cutter quipped that Dean "is going to extremes of his own to win over Iowa voters."

Howard Dean are Iowans going to vote for -- the one who insults them, or the one who will be soon releasing yet another clarifying statement?"

Dean made the comments on "The Editors," which covered U.S. and Canadian politics and was filmed in Montreal, not far north of Vermont. NBC News reviewed 90 of Dean's appearances on the show since 1996 and first reported his comments about the caucuses Thursday night.


The Dean campaign Thursday was forced to fire two low-level volunteers who went into Kerry's campaign offices posing as average voters. Kerry's campaign reacted with outrage. Dean aides said the campaign adheres to strict ethical codes and that the two volunteers were dismissed.
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Nothing is more instantly obvious to bright people than the need to issue clarifying statements. Let me clarify: To attack Dean on that score is to pigeon hole yourself as among the less intelligent.
 

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: Ferocious
What a clown.

It's going to be long 5 years.

I feel sorry for the 20-somethings who have pissed away their hard-earned money on this nut job.

Made 50-somethings waste their hard earned money backing Bush to the tune of 100M now, so it can't be that bad.
The "I told you so" rights when we get inflation and high interest rates from Bush's deficit policies are worth a few declining dollars ;)
 

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I think his observations about the Iowa caucuses are right. Let's assume for the sake of argument that I'm correct. Speaking the truth is "insulting" people. Yeah, it probably is insulting them but there may be a time for it. It's like saying "Slow thinkers, keep right."
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: Whitling
I think his observations about the Iowa caucuses are right. Let's assume for the sake of argument that I'm correct. Speaking the truth is "insulting" people. Yeah, it probably is insulting them but there may be a time for it. It's like saying "Slow thinkers, keep right."

All contact with truth is an insult because the truth is that we feel deeply insulted. And we were as small children, by those who said they loved. For most people their whole lives are a pretense that they are not insulted. This is why the fault is always the other guy. You are trying to make me feel bad, you. No no no, I will never let myself remember. It was too too horrible. You have no idea how horrible. You must all pay. I will become flippant and untouchable.

 

rahvin

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Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: rahvin
Dean scares you dosn't he Galt? Afraid he will cut millitary pensions?

Don't receive one, but thanks for playing.

I didn't say you did. It was in fact a reference to your last Dean related thread. You spend an awful lot of bandwidth bad mouthing the guy, I can only guess you are afraid of him.
 
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Originally posted by: SuperTool


The "I told you so" rights when we get inflation and high interest rates from Bush's deficit policies are worth a few declining dollars ;)

..want to think about that "interest rates" comment a little more?
 

tallest1

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: tallest1
While I support Dean, the guy needs to know when to keep his mouth shut >: (

Considering he said this ~ 4 years ago, it's more of a case of people digging up old crap on Dean. It's to be expected I suppose.

4 years ago?!?! I take back my previous comment!! The fact that this is posted here shows how desperate the neocons are getting.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: tallest1
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: tallest1
While I support Dean, the guy needs to know when to keep his mouth shut >: (

Considering he said this ~ 4 years ago, it's more of a case of people digging up old crap on Dean. It's to be expected I suppose.

4 years ago?!?! I take back my previous comment!! The fact that this is posted here shows how desperate the neocons are getting.

Buahahaha - NBC is a tool of the neo-con conspiracy now?:p Buahahaha

...must stop laughing...I just ate lunch.

CkG
 

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: SuperTool


The "I told you so" rights when we get inflation and high interest rates from Bush's deficit policies are worth a few declining dollars ;)

..want to think about that "interest rates" comment a little more?

Sorry to burst your bubble, but you can't keep pumping cheap money into the economy without inflation. And when inflation hits, the Fed will have to raise rates.
 

MonstaThrilla

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Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: Ferocious
What a clown.

It's going to be long 5 years.

I feel sorry for the 20-somethings who have pissed away their hard-earned money on this nut job.

He's a nutjob because he gave his opinion and backed it up with the reality of the process? I guess in your world great leaders are those who lie about a "grave and growing threat" to get us into a war...