Dean drops out of Presidential Race, Dems concede Election Bush Re-elected

[dmcowen674]

2-18-2004 Dean to End His Campaign

Howard Dean will end his campaign for the presidential nomination and oversee a new effort to keep his issues alive and his supporters organized on behalf of Democratic causes, two party officials said Wednesday.

Dean was to announce his plans at a news conference Wednesday afternoon.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Awww...meesah so sad.

Good thing I didn't send that check out eh?

CkG

 

[bozack]

about time

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Awww...meesah so sad.

Good thing I didn't send that check out eh?

CkG

What about those college students that maxed out their credit cards for him.

Now their consertative parents have to foot the bill.

 

[dmcowen674]

Announcement Location and time:

2-18-2004 Special Meeting

There is a special meeting today with Governor Howard Dean, open to the public, at 1:00 pm EST, at the Sheraton Hotel in South Burlington (870 Williston Rd, Right off Exit 14W of Interstate 89).

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Awww...meesah so sad.

Good thing I didn't send that check out eh?

CkG

What about those college students that maxed out their credit cards for him.

Now their consertative parents have to foot the bill.

You must not have got today's memo; in the long run, those college students will be paying the bills from Bush's haphazard spending attempts in an effort to make America more safe.

 

[maddogchen]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Awww...meesah so sad.

Good thing I didn't send that check out eh?

CkG

What about those college students that maxed out their credit cards for him.

Now their consertative parents have to foot the bill.

You must not have got today's memo; in the long run, those college students will be paying the bills from Bush's haphazard spending attempts in an effort to make America more safe.

Haha those suckers, they'll be in debt forever, while I'll only be poor

 

[dmcowen674]

Bush Wins Re-Election!

Well the Dem behind Dean AKA Deaniacs are pretty much writing this Election as over.

They are gearing up for 2008 and beyond.

A Beginning not an End

Posted by Rob in Tampa at February 18, 2004 12:13 PM

Dean in '08 (since Kerry won't beat Bush with Nader in the election)!

Let's start raising the $200M to bring back the White House in 4 years time!

Posted by Jeremy Whaley at February 18, 2004 12:09 PM



Thank you, Governor. Thank you for giving me hope again. God bless you and your family.

Thank you to Joe Trippi, Zephyr, Matt Gross, and all the staff in Burlington. You are true patriots, and for the rest of my life I will be proud to tell people that I stood with you in America's darkest hour.

The movement is just beginning. Get behind the Dean Democrats who are running in local races all over the country. That's where we take our party back. It may take a decade or two, but it begins today. It begins here. It begins now.

Do not give up, and do not give in to despair. Whever we go from here, we are the Democratic Party. We are the future of the United States. We are now, and always will be, Dean for America.

Rob MacKenna
Coordinator, Tampa for Dean
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and hundreds of more posts like those above...

 

[NFS4]

Dems concede Election Bush Re-elected

Where are you getting this from??

You don't SERIOUSLY believe that Bush is unbeatable do you? Wait, I take that back. Judging by your extremely biased posts, I know the answer to that question...

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Dems concede Election Bush Re-elected

Where are you getting this from??

You don't SERIOUSLY believe that Bush is unbeatable do you? Wait, I take that back. Judging by your extremely biased posts, I know the answer to that question...

I didn't say that, Dems posting at Dean's website are saying it.

They have a point if the entire base is not galvanized with whoever is running against the Fearless Liar.

You have enough people splintering their vote off to the likes of Nadar or any other Candidate spots and it's a shoe in for Bush.

I hope they are wrong, we at least need to give another Liar a chance to screw things up further but at least in a different way than they have been in the last 4 years.

 

[Nitemare]

Does this make the third time he has bowed out? Do we have any guarantees that it is permanent this time?

 

[Ferocious]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Awww...meesah so sad.

Good thing I didn't send that check out eh?

CkG

What about those college students that maxed out their credit cards for him.

Now their consertative parents have to foot the bill.

Not a problem. They can just use their tax refund bribes from Bush.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Ferocious

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Awww...meesah so sad.

Good thing I didn't send that check out eh?

CkG

What about those college students that maxed out their credit cards for him.

Now their consertative parents have to foot the bill.

Not a problem. They can just use their tax refund bribes from Bush.

How is allowing people to keep more of their money a "bribe"? Seems to me that most economists are crediting Bush's tax-cuts for helping the surge in the economy. But yeah...I guess some people don't like people keeping more of their money as they think the gov't can use it better.

CkG

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
How is allowing people to keep more of their money a "bribe"? Seems to me that most economists are crediting Bush's tax-cuts for helping the surge in the economy. But yeah...I guess some people don't like people keeping more of their money as they think the gov't can use it better.

CkG

And if not for the fact that the people will have to pay back these tax loans -- with interest -- you'd have a good point.

PS. The slowly-recovering economy is mostly due to ultra-low interest rates, not tax loans.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
How is allowing people to keep more of their money a "bribe"? Seems to me that most economists are crediting Bush's tax-cuts for helping the surge in the economy. But yeah...I guess some people don't like people keeping more of their money as they think the gov't can use it better.

CkG

And if not for the fact that the people will have to pay back these tax loans -- with interest -- you'd have a good point.

PS. The slowly-recovering economy is mostly due to ultra-low interest rates, not tax loans.

Call it what you wish but keeping more of one's own money is not a loan. And yes - economists have credited the tax-cuts with helping along the economic surge.

PS - If the gov't didn't think it needed over 2 TRILLION to run then we wouldn't be discussing this Time to CUT spending.

CkG

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
How is allowing people to keep more of their money a "bribe"? Seems to me that most economists are crediting Bush's tax-cuts for helping the surge in the economy. But yeah...I guess some people don't like people keeping more of their money as they think the gov't can use it better.

CkG

And if not for the fact that the people will have to pay back these tax loans -- with interest -- you'd have a good point.

PS. The slowly-recovering economy is mostly due to ultra-low interest rates, not tax loans.

Call it what you wish but keeping more of one's own money is not a loan.

If you have to repay it, it's a loan, plain and simple. You don't get to keep it. That may not mesh with your portrait of Bush-lite, the tax hero, but it is the Truth.

And yes - economists have credited the tax-cuts with helping along the economic surge.

Bravo! The safest way to lie is to say something that's technically true while still creating a false impression. Bush & Co. would be proud. By using a nebulous word like "helping", your statement becomes technically accurate if the tax loans provided even a 0.00001% boost to the economy. Never mind that economists credit ultra-low interest rates, not to mention normal economic cycles, with playing the greatest roll in starting to climb back out of the recession. The Tax Loans Helped too (at least to some tiny extent which you won't attempt to quantify).

PS - If the gov't didn't think it needed over 2 TRILLION to run then we wouldn't be discussing this Time to CUT spending.

Yep. And once the budget is in the black, then and only then should we talk about tax cuts. Anything less is fiscally irresponsible.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
How is allowing people to keep more of their money a "bribe"? Seems to me that most economists are crediting Bush's tax-cuts for helping the surge in the economy. But yeah...I guess some people don't like people keeping more of their money as they think the gov't can use it better.

CkG

And if not for the fact that the people will have to pay back these tax loans -- with interest -- you'd have a good point.

PS. The slowly-recovering economy is mostly due to ultra-low interest rates, not tax loans.

Call it what you wish but keeping more of one's own money is not a loan. And yes - economists have credited the tax-cuts with helping along the economic surge.

PS - If the gov't didn't think it needed over 2 TRILLION to run then we wouldn't be discussing this Time to CUT spending.

CkG

When you have to borrow in order to give back, then yes it is a loan.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
How is allowing people to keep more of their money a "bribe"? Seems to me that most economists are crediting Bush's tax-cuts for helping the surge in the economy. But yeah...I guess some people don't like people keeping more of their money as they think the gov't can use it better.

CkG

And if not for the fact that the people will have to pay back these tax loans -- with interest -- you'd have a good point.

PS. The slowly-recovering economy is mostly due to ultra-low interest rates, not tax loans.

Call it what you wish but keeping more of one's own money is not a loan.

If you have to repay it, it's a loan, plain and simple. You don't get to keep it. That may not mesh with your portrait of Bush-lite, the tax hero, but it is the Truth.

And yes - economists have credited the tax-cuts with helping along the economic surge.

Bravo! The safest way to lie is to say something that's technically true while still creating a false impression. Bush & Co. would be proud. By using a nebulous word like "helping", your statement becomes technically accurate if the tax loans provided even a 0.00001% boost to the economy. Never mind that economists credit ultra-low interest rates, not to mention normal economic cycles, with playing the greatest roll in starting to climb back out of the recession. The Tax Loans Helped too (at least to some tiny extent which you won't attempt to quantify).

PS - If the gov't didn't think it needed over 2 TRILLION to run then we wouldn't be discussing this Time to CUT spending.

Yep. And once the budget is in the black, then and only then should we talk about tax cuts. Anything less is fiscally irresponsible.

Nope - still not a loan. A loan comes from spending too much. A loan is not allowing people to keep more of their own money. There is a difference. Call it what you wish though - maybe you should pay your's back right now instead of heaping it on your kids and grandkids if you really feel it's a loan. The challenge has been offered before - those that think this is "irresponsible" and/or "a loan" are more than welcome to write a check to the gov't for what you would have paid before Bush's tax-cuts. Any takers?

I used "helped" in my original statement - which came from a USA today article. Bitch to them if you don't like it and maybe you should quit trying to ASSume I said more than I did Don't think for a minute I don't that there are other factors helping this economy come back from a recession.

No, not really. If people are over-taxed and need releif - it is not "irresponsible" - expecially if it helps boost economic growth. What is "irresponsible" though is the outrageous amount of money our gov't thinks they need to spend to run. What is "irresponsible" would be to increase people's taxes instead of reducing spending. Would I like to have seen the budget shrink? Damn straight - but the gov't needs $0 more of ANYONE's money until they can spend the people's money wisely.(I still won't hold my breath)

CkG

 

[rufruf44]

Dean's supporter are dreaming if they tought he will stand a chance against that clinton's woman and/or gore in 2008.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Nope - still not a loan. A loan comes from spending too much. A loan is not allowing people to keep more of their own money. There is a difference. Call it what you wish though - maybe you should pay your's back right now instead of heaping it on your kids and grandkids if you really feel it's a loan. The challenge has been offered before - those that think this is "irresponsible" and/or "a loan" are more than welcome to write a check to the gov't for what you would have paid before Bush's tax-cuts. Any takers?

I used "helped" in my original statement - which came from a USA today article. Bitch to them if you don't like it and maybe you should quit trying to ASSume I said more than I did Don't think for a minute I don't that there are other factors helping this economy come back from a recession.

No, not really. If people are over-taxed and need releif - it is not "irresponsible" - expecially if it helps boost economic growth. What is "irresponsible" though is the outrageous amount of money our gov't thinks they need to spend to run. What is "irresponsible" would be to increase people's taxes instead of reducing spending. Would I like to have seen the budget shrink? Damn straight - but the gov't needs $0 more of ANYONE's money until they can spend the people's money wisely.(I still won't hold my breath)

CkG

Yeah, whatever. LOL. I'd love to be a fly on the wall next time you go to the bank for a loan ... err ... cut ... overdraft ... whatever. You know the look on his face will be priceless.

BTW, your "challenge" is absurd. If you can show me how to pay back my tax loan now such that I won't have to pay it back again, with interest someday in the future, then let's talk. Otherwise, it's a ridiculous red herring to avoid acknowledging an irrefutable truth: if we have to pay it back, it's a loan.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Nope - still not a loan. A loan comes from spending too much. A loan is not allowing people to keep more of their own money. There is a difference. Call it what you wish though - maybe you should pay your's back right now instead of heaping it on your kids and grandkids if you really feel it's a loan. The challenge has been offered before - those that think this is "irresponsible" and/or "a loan" are more than welcome to write a check to the gov't for what you would have paid before Bush's tax-cuts. Any takers?

I used "helped" in my original statement - which came from a USA today article. Bitch to them if you don't like it and maybe you should quit trying to ASSume I said more than I did Don't think for a minute I don't that there are other factors helping this economy come back from a recession.

No, not really. If people are over-taxed and need releif - it is not "irresponsible" - expecially if it helps boost economic growth. What is "irresponsible" though is the outrageous amount of money our gov't thinks they need to spend to run. What is "irresponsible" would be to increase people's taxes instead of reducing spending. Would I like to have seen the budget shrink? Damn straight - but the gov't needs $0 more of ANYONE's money until they can spend the people's money wisely.(I still won't hold my breath)

CkG

Yeah, whatever. LOL. I'd love to be a fly on the wall next time you go to the bank for a loan ... err ... cut ... overdraft ... whatever. You know the look on his face will be priceless.

BTW, your "challenge" is absurd. If you can show me how to pay back my tax loan now such that I won't have to pay it back again, with interest someday in the future, then let's talk. Otherwise, it's a ridiculous red herring to avoid acknowledging an irrefutable truth: if we have to pay it back, it's a loan.

Too late - I purchased a vehicle last week...with a LOAN. You know - the thing you go and get someone else's money and arrange terms to pay it back. Keeping more of one's money does not = loan.

No, if it's a "loan" - then you would be paying for something that's going to come due - no? If the people who think it's a "loan" would pay what they think they should be paying then we supposedly won't have a problem - no? Seems to me you should be starting a movement for people to send checks to the gov't .... oh wait....you can just do that by voting for kerry or one of the other ones who want to raise taxes.
One question though - if tax-cuts are "loans" - are tax increases "pre-payments"?

tax-cuts != loans

CkG

 

[Ferocious]

Bush is fiscally irresponsible.

Credit Card economics 101.