Deadbeat Dads Offered Jail or Vasectomy

dquan97

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Deadbeat Dads Offered Jail or Vasectomy

NEWPORT, Ky. - For some men showing up in court for being habitually behind in child support, their choice is jail or a vasectomy.

Family Court Judge D. Michael "Mickey" Foellger has given the option to a few men who had multiple children and were tens of thousands of dollars behind on their child support.

Foellger said he considers it an effective way to get his message across ? that having children is a responsibility.

"If these children are in poverty because these guys are not paying their child support, I have no qualms about it," he said of his policy. "I don't think these men deserve to have any more children."

Foellger, the only family court judge in northern Kentucky's Campbell County, said he has never ordered a man to have a vasectomy.

But for some men, the option is made clear: Go to jail for 30 days, or have the vasectomy. The option applies to men who have had more than four children with at least three different women, and who owe more than $10,000 in court-ordered support.

Foellger believes he can legally give the ultimatum because the men are in contempt for not paying the child support, and a judge has wide latitude to enforce his orders. In such instances, the child-support cases are civil, not criminal.

In his 17 months on the family court bench, Foellger said, he has made the proposal six or seven times. Two men reported back with doctors' notes saying they had the procedure. Three or four others are in the process of doing so. One chose jail time.

None of the men has appealed his orders.

Attorneys who practice domestic law in Campbell County were either not aware of Foellger's policy or were unwilling to comment on it.

Beth Wilson, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union (news - web sites) in Kentucky, said the policy is questionable.

Wilson said that getting men to pay child support is right and just. But suggesting sterilization is going too far, Wilson said.

"The government should not be able to coerce anyone ? whether directly or indirectly ? to give up your constitutional protections," she said. "We're opposed to any type of sterilization that's forced or coerced by any government agency."

Foellger said he had considered offering women accused of multiple instances of abuse or neglect the option of having a tubal ligation. But he rejected that, saying it's an invasive procedure that could have unknown consequences.

A vasectomy, on the other hand, is simple and reversible, he said.
 

CPA

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What would happen to us guys who already have a vasectomy? :confused:
 

dquan97

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Getting these deadbeats to pay is pretty difficult if they're dirt-poor...I'd like to see more vasectomies
 

Platypus

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Why would they care about a vasectomy? More guilt-free sex? That doesn't sound like a punishment to me.
 

cjchaps

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Everyone should get a vasectomy when they pop out, and then have to pay to get it reversed.
 

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Finally we are getting somewhnere. I think a vasectomy is a great idea therefore they can't have any more children. A lot cheaper than keeping them in jail. It is not much of a punishment to some though.
 
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Originally posted by: Staples
Finally we are getting somewhnere. I think a vasectomy is a great idea therefore they can't have any more children. A lot cheaper than keeping them in jail. It is not much of a punishment to some though.

This is a bad idea, next we will be chopping off hands for stealing, and cutting out tounges for lieing.

The judge is lucky it's Kentucky, or he's doing because it's Kentucky, because any smart person would know that the judge is out of line and the supreme court would over rule him in a heartbeat.
 

hdeck

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jail, or having as much sex as you can possibly want without reprecussion of pregnancy...hmm...what to choose:roll:
 

djheater

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Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Originally posted by: Staples
Finally we are getting somewhnere. I think a vasectomy is a great idea therefore they can't have any more children. A lot cheaper than keeping them in jail. It is not much of a punishment to some though.

This is a bad idea, next we will be chopping off hands for stealing, and cutting out tounges for lieing.

The judge is lucky it's Kentucky, or he's doing because it's Kentucky, because any smart person would know that the judge is out of line and the supreme court would over rule him in a heartbeat.

I have issue with your "any smart person" comment. You seem to be implying that you are smart, which I disagree with.

I don't think he's out of line, he's giving them a choice, and as the article states, a judge has wide latitude, and deserves it.
 

gopunk

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Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
Why would they care about a vasectomy? More guilt-free sex? That doesn't sound like a punishment to me.

it's not meant to be a punishment, it's meant to benefit society
 
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Originally posted by: djheater
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Originally posted by: Staples
Finally we are getting somewhnere. I think a vasectomy is a great idea therefore they can't have any more children. A lot cheaper than keeping them in jail. It is not much of a punishment to some though.

This is a bad idea, next we will be chopping off hands for stealing, and cutting out tounges for lieing.

The judge is lucky it's Kentucky, or he's doing because it's Kentucky, because any smart person would know that the judge is out of line and the supreme court would over rule him in a heartbeat.

I have issue with your "any smart person" comment. You seem to be implying that you are smart, which I disagree with.

I don't think he's out of line, he's giving them a choice, and as the article states, a judge has wide latitude, and deserves it.

Sorry, you must be from Kentucky. Anyways, A judge should not and does not have the power to enforce mutilation which is what castration is. It clearly stated that it was a civil court and being such, would say that a judge can order anyone that has been convicted of downloading music to have their fingers chopped off so they can't use a computer anymore.

You may think that a deadbeat dad is such a horrible thing, but use the brain that you have( i know it's in there somewhere) and realize that some people just can't afford to pay. They may only be making enough money to get themselves by.
My GF's dad pays $600 a month in support for his 2 younger kids to his ex that has since married a guy that makes over $200K a year. Meanwhile my GF';s dad makes about $25K a year. In a big city that is barely enough to survive, let alone having over $7000 taken from him each year.
 

gopunk

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Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Originally posted by: Staples
Finally we are getting somewhnere. I think a vasectomy is a great idea therefore they can't have any more children. A lot cheaper than keeping them in jail. It is not much of a punishment to some though.

This is a bad idea, next we will be chopping off hands for stealing, and cutting out tounges for lieing.

The judge is lucky it's Kentucky, or he's doing because it's Kentucky, because any smart person would know that the judge is out of line and the supreme court would over rule him in a heartbeat.

well lets make something clear, nobody is forcing anybody to get a vasectomy. he is simply offering it as an alternative to what their punishment would normally be. so what's the big deal? you don't like the option, then don't choose it, you haven't lost anything.
 

dquan97

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Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Originally posted by: djheater
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Originally posted by: Staples
Finally we are getting somewhnere. I think a vasectomy is a great idea therefore they can't have any more children. A lot cheaper than keeping them in jail. It is not much of a punishment to some though.

This is a bad idea, next we will be chopping off hands for stealing, and cutting out tounges for lieing.

The judge is lucky it's Kentucky, or he's doing because it's Kentucky, because any smart person would know that the judge is out of line and the supreme court would over rule him in a heartbeat.

I have issue with your "any smart person" comment. You seem to be implying that you are smart, which I disagree with.

I don't think he's out of line, he's giving them a choice, and as the article states, a judge has wide latitude, and deserves it.

Sorry, you must be from Kentucky. Anyways, A judge should not and does not have the power to enforce mutilation which is what castration is. It clearly stated that it was a civil court and being such, would say that a judge can order anyone that has been convicted of downloading music to have their fingers chopped off so they can't use a computer anymore.

You may think that a deadbeat dad is such a horrible thing, but use the brain that you have( i know it's in there somewhere) and realize that some people just can't afford to pay. They may only be making enough money to get themselves by.
My GF's dad pays $600 a month in support for his 2 younger kids to his ex that has since married a guy that makes over $200K a year. Meanwhile my GF';s dad makes about $25K a year. In a big city that is barely enough to survive, let alone having over $7000 taken from him each year.

your GF's dad could always go back to court and petition to have the CS reduced, in light of the new developments
 

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Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Originally posted by: djheater
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Originally posted by: Staples
Finally we are getting somewhnere. I think a vasectomy is a great idea therefore they can't have any more children. A lot cheaper than keeping them in jail. It is not much of a punishment to some though.

This is a bad idea, next we will be chopping off hands for stealing, and cutting out tounges for lieing.

The judge is lucky it's Kentucky, or he's doing because it's Kentucky, because any smart person would know that the judge is out of line and the supreme court would over rule him in a heartbeat.

I have issue with your "any smart person" comment. You seem to be implying that you are smart, which I disagree with.

I don't think he's out of line, he's giving them a choice, and as the article states, a judge has wide latitude, and deserves it.

Sorry, you must be from Kentucky. Anyways, A judge should not and does not have the power to enforce mutilation which is what castration is. It clearly stated that it was a civil court and being such, would say that a judge can order anyone that has been convicted of downloading music to have their fingers chopped off so they can't use a computer anymore.

You may think that a deadbeat dad is such a horrible thing, but use the brain that you have( i know it's in there somewhere) and realize that some people just can't afford to pay. They may only be making enough money to get themselves by.
My GF's dad pays $600 a month in support for his 2 younger kids to his ex that has since married a guy that makes over $200K a year. Meanwhile my GF';s dad makes about $25K a year. In a big city that is barely enough to survive, let alone having over $7000 taken from him each year.

A vasectomy is not castration. Your boys are still intact, just not fully connected.
 

gopunk

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Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Originally posted by: djheater
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Originally posted by: Staples
Finally we are getting somewhnere. I think a vasectomy is a great idea therefore they can't have any more children. A lot cheaper than keeping them in jail. It is not much of a punishment to some though.

This is a bad idea, next we will be chopping off hands for stealing, and cutting out tounges for lieing.

The judge is lucky it's Kentucky, or he's doing because it's Kentucky, because any smart person would know that the judge is out of line and the supreme court would over rule him in a heartbeat.

I have issue with your "any smart person" comment. You seem to be implying that you are smart, which I disagree with.

I don't think he's out of line, he's giving them a choice, and as the article states, a judge has wide latitude, and deserves it.

Sorry, you must be from Kentucky. Anyways, A judge should not and does not have the power to enforce mutilation which is what castration is. It clearly stated that it was a civil court and being such, would say that a judge can order anyone that has been convicted of downloading music to have their fingers chopped off so they can't use a computer anymore.

You may think that a deadbeat dad is such a horrible thing, but use the brain that you have( i know it's in there somewhere) and realize that some people just can't afford to pay. They may only be making enough money to get themselves by.
My GF's dad pays $600 a month in support for his 2 younger kids to his ex that has since married a guy that makes over $200K a year. Meanwhile my GF';s dad makes about $25K a year. In a big city that is barely enough to survive, let alone having over $7000 taken from him each year.

he may be from kentucky but at least he can read, the judge is not enforcing the vasectomy. just think of it like going to driving school instead of paying a speeding ticket... nobody is forcing you to go to driving school, it is just an option.