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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_Discovery

The Discovery doctrine is a concept of public international law expounded by the United States Supreme Court in a series of decisions, most notably Johnson v. M'Intosh in 1823. Chief Justice John Marshall justified the way in which colonial powers laid claim to lands belonging to sovereign indigenous nations during the Age of Discovery. Under it, title to lands lay with the government whose subjects explored and occupied a territory whose inhabitants were not subjects of a European Christian monarch. The doctrine has been primarily used to support decisions invalidating or ignoring aboriginal possession of land in favor of colonial or post-colonial governments

The origins of the doctrine can be traced to Pope Nicholas V's issuance of the papal bull Romanus Pontifex in 1455. The bull allowed Portugal to claim and conquer lands in West Africa. Pope Alexander VI extended to Spain the right to conquer newly-found lands in 1493, with the papal bull Inter caetera, after Christopher Columbus had already begun doing so. Arguments between Portugal and Spain led to the Treaty of Tordesillas which clarified that only non-Christian lands could thus be taken, as well as drawing a line of demarcation to allocate potential discoveries between the two powers.

According to the United States Supreme Court's decision in Johnson v. M'Intosh, this theory of Christian expansion and possession of newly discovered lands, despite native presence, was one by which all colonial powers operated. Chief Justice Marshall, writing the decision, held that the United Kingdom had taken title to the lands which constituted the United States when the British discovered them. Marshall pointed to the exploration charters given to John Cabot as proof that the British had operated under the doctrine.[3] The tribes which occupied the land were, at the moment of discovery, no longer completely sovereign and had no property rights but rather merely held a right of occupancy. Further, only the discovering nation or its successor could take possession of the land from the natives by conquest or purchase. Natives could not sell the land to private citizens but only to the discovering government.


This is some crazy shit. A 15th century Pope set the law the US is currently using!
And its still the doctrine being applied today:
http://www.theatlantic.com/national...t-giving-up/278787/?google_editors_picks=true
 

IronWing

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It's how the British "legalized" the conquest of Ireland. There was exactly one English pope in history. He signed a bull.
 

Auric

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'Murica's history is one of expansion so it must be justified somehow, no?
 

FelixDeCat

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I guess I'm supposed to feel some rage towards Christianity? amirite?

zomg Catholics spreading education, science, laws, agriculture and finance to undeveloped lands! :eek:

We must stop them in the name of secularism, gender neutrality and atheism!
 

FelixDeCat

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Actually I was just surprised that the US Supreme Court uses decrees from 15th century Popes to base US law on.

It was Muslims and Catholics that help spread and maintain libraries and education during most of modern history. Even the Big Bang Theory was promulgated by a priest. During the 1500's, popes held lands and controlled armies. They were a central power in world affairs.
 

foghorn67

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Actually I was just surprised that the US Supreme Court uses decrees from 15th century Popes to base US law on.

Yeah, it is kind of weird. Since we are were supposed to be far removed from the Vatican and the Church of England.
 
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