DDR3 Pricing Estimations?

[krotchy]

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/memory/display/20070426140713.html

I gotta be honest, I dont remember when DDR2 came out what the prices were, since I never actually used it until I started building Core 2 Duo/Quad/Xeon computers at work recently. Also I still dont use DDR2 at home, since I have an FX-60 which is more than viable for a whole. However my next computer will be a quad core in the fall, and I am considering skipping DDR2 altogether and moving to DDR3 right away, but the only pricing info I have seen on these chips is from the article

Buffalo will sell 512MB PC3-8500 memory modules for ¥37 700 ($315), whereas two of such modules will cost ¥75 000 ($627). 1GB PC3-8500 modules from Buffalo will cost end-users ¥71 000 ($595), while a kit of two such modules will be priced at ($1180).

Is there any chance these will fall in line with DDR2 prices quickly, or is this going to be a crazy enthusiast only thing for a long time. Because I was under the impression the reason for the move to DDR3 was smaller fabrication processes and lower voltages would lead to cost saving advantages all around. However upon initial release, It looks like I can buy 8 Gigs of PC-8000 DDR2 for less than 2 gigs of PC3-8500, and the DDR3 has much worse timings.

How long did it take from the introduction of DDR2 for the prices to fall in line with DDR1 and eventually to be cheaper (which it was for a while until the Core 2 Inflation period and has since settled back to being cheaper)

 

[jkresh]

it will likely get cheaper quickly but ddr2 is insanely cheap now so expect it to be $500 for a 2gig kit within a few months of release, but it could be a while before it gets down to $200 (probably 1+ years, depending on how fast adoption ramps up). Basically like ddr2 prices will be high in the beginning because demand is low and production is low, as more boards are sold and more people switch prices will drop.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

is there going to be a noticable difference b/w ddr2 and ddr3? I still use ddr.

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: krotchy
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/memory/display/20070426140713.html

I gotta be honest, I dont remember when DDR2 came out what the prices were, since I never actually used it until I started building Core 2 Duo/Quad/Xeon computers at work recently. Also I still dont use DDR2 at home, since I have an FX-60 which is more than viable for a whole. However my next computer will be a quad core in the fall, and I am considering skipping DDR2 altogether and moving to DDR3 right away, but the only pricing info I have seen on these chips is from the article

Buffalo will sell 512MB PC3-8500 memory modules for ¥37 700 ($315), whereas two of such modules will cost ¥75 000 ($627). 1GB PC3-8500 modules from Buffalo will cost end-users ¥71 000 ($595), while a kit of two such modules will be priced at ($1180).

Is there any chance these will fall in line with DDR2 prices quickly, or is this going to be a crazy enthusiast only thing for a long time. Because I was under the impression the reason for the move to DDR3 was smaller fabrication processes and lower voltages would lead to cost saving advantages all around. However upon initial release, It looks like I can buy 8 Gigs of PC-8000 DDR2 for less than 2 gigs of PC3-8500, and the DDR3 has much worse timings.

How long did it take from the introduction of DDR2 for the prices to fall in line with DDR1 and eventually to be cheaper (which it was for a while until the Core 2 Inflation period and has since settled back to being cheaper)

support for ddr3 will be ~ this fall?? i thought it was farther out than that....

 

[ribbon13]

yes, DDR3 will severely pwn DDR2 before the end. Everyone knew DDR2 was going to be short lived. DDR3 has the looks to a robust life span like DDR

 

[Vogel515]

Anyone remember or use Rd-Ram? my pc still has 512mb rd-ram in it and still runs so well.

DDR3 is priced so high... and how much of a performance gain will there really be?

 

[ribbon13]

RAMBUS is still around.... XDR is their new tech but thier anathema to try and enter the PC market... lots of bad PR memory. of course Hitachi has the fastest 500GB hdd out... and everyone remembers the Deathstar 75GXPs

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: ribbon13
yes, DDR3 will severely pwn DDR2 before the end. Everyone knew DDR2 was going to be short lived. DDR3 has the looks to a robust life span like DDR

Don't hold your breath. I've noticed that once any type of memory makes it's way onto more than a few video cards, it's always the next type of memory we all need to buy for our next system RAM, and for the moment, that's DDR4, not DDR3.

 

[Roguestar]

But GDDR4/GDDR3 aren't much like their desktop counterparts.

See the entries in wikipedia for GDDR3 and GDDR4.

"GDDR4 is the memory successor to GDDR3 -- both of which are unrelated to the JEDEC DDR3 memory standard."

 

[ribbon13]

That's right... and GDDR5 will be done by xmas.
http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/itnews.php?tid=646717

 

[Maximilian]

Originally posted by: ribbon13
yes, DDR3 will severely pwn DDR2 before the end. Everyone knew DDR2 was going to be short lived. DDR3 has the looks to a robust life span like DDR

How?

 

[Inspector Jihad]

lets go back to pc133. who's with me?

 

[krotchy]

Originally posted by: myocardia

Originally posted by: ribbon13
yes, DDR3 will severely pwn DDR2 before the end. Everyone knew DDR2 was going to be short lived. DDR3 has the looks to a robust life span like DDR

Don't hold your breath. I've noticed that once any type of memory makes it's way onto more than a few video cards, it's always the next type of memory we all need to buy for our next system RAM, and for the moment, that's DDR4, not DDR3.

where on earth did you come up with your information?

GDDR3 is similar in architecture to DDR2, and GDDR4 is more similar to DDR3. There isnt even a DDR4 spec at the moment, as DDR3 hasnt even made it out the door. However there is soon going to be chipset support and DDR3 modules are showing up in intel labs for testing and starting to ramp production slowly.

 

[SuperNaruto]

luckily i didn't invest in ddr2... i have 20+ gigs in ddr1 (iram and such)

ill prob get a new system end of this year or next and can wait for the new ddr3 or something else...

hopefully by the time i get it, it'll be like 80 bucks a gb..

 

[Roguestar]

$80/GB for DDR3? Hah, good luck with that. It'll be a while yet until more fabs start moving from DDR2 to DDR3, seeing as by then DDR2 will be practically mainstream with the intel and AMD chips out at the time.

 

[krotchy]

Originally posted by: Roguestar
$80/GB for DDR3? Hah, good luck with that. It'll be a while yet until more fabs start moving from DDR2 to DDR3, seeing as by then DDR2 will be practically mainstream with the intel and AMD chips out at the time.

Im a little confused by the 2nd part of your statement.

DDR2 is already mainstream as both Intel and AMD only really support DDR2 based chip sets at the moment.

I do agree 80/GB will take a while, although it looks like 80/gb is going to happen right away (as 80/gb -> $640/GB )

 

[Roguestar]

Originally posted by: krotchy

Originally posted by: Roguestar
$80/GB for DDR3? Hah, good luck with that. It'll be a while yet until more fabs start moving from DDR2 to DDR3, seeing as by then DDR2 will be practically mainstream with the intel and AMD chips out at the time.

Im a little confused by the 2nd part of your statement.

DDR2 is already mainstream as both Intel and AMD only really support DDR2 based chip sets at the moment.

I do agree 80/GB will take a while, although it looks like 80/gb is going to happen right away (as 80/gb -> $640/GB )

But what percentage of businesses and home users have upgraded their PCs since DDR2 was brought in last year?

 

[Capt Caveman]

DDR3 Memory Won't Be Mainstream Until 2009

"The DDR3 512-Mbyte chip is still above the $20 level, according to DRAMeXchange, and the DDR3 512-Mbyte module price currently hovers around $180. That is eight times higher than the DDR2 512MB modules, which come in at $23."

 

[krotchy]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
DDR3 Memory Won't Be Mainstream Until 2009

"The DDR3 512-Mbyte chip is still above the $20 level, according to DRAMeXchange, and the DDR3 512-Mbyte module price currently hovers around $180. That is eight times higher than the DDR2 512MB modules, which come in at $23."

wow, I really cant see any reason to upgrade for a long time

Assuming you wanted 4+ gigs of DDR3 at some point, you could:
Buy a DDR3 motherboard and 4 gigs of DDR3 for 2500 dollars roughly when it is introduced
or
Buy 8 gigs of DDR2 for 650 bucks, a nice DDR2 mobo for 200 bucks, put the other 1600 in a 2 year certificate, and buy 8 gigs of DDR3 and a DDR3 motherboard when the certificate matures, and have probably 600 dollars left over.