DDR2-800 -- Team or Ballistix?

[BoboKatt]

Hey all,
Got the chance on getting 2 sets of RAM (both 2 GIG kits), one TEAM DDR2-800 4-4-4-10 (TXDD2048M800HC4DC) and the other is Crucial Ballisitx DDR2-800 4-4-4-12 (BL2KIT12864AA804).

The reason I ask is that I am not finding many reviews for CD2 cpu and say 965 mobos or 975 and especially OCing (which is my directrion e6600 and DS3 or P5B-E). Most it seems, at least for the Ballistix are for older P4 that I care not for. Are these 2 RAM sets pretty much comparable if price is equal? I have heard so much about the famous Ballistix line but I am not sure if this set falls into that line. I have heard instead amazing things about the Team ram (from Tankguys) which apparently is very well accepted and loved throughout the OC community.


thanks

 

[TankGuys]

Either are good. The Cruicial stuff is cheaper at ZZF than we're charging for the Team - BUT, it's not quite apples/apples since the timings are slightly different. I've read that the crucial stuff is doing well, and I know the Team stuff does well (I've sold *tons* of it). I'd say you can't really go wrong either way.

 

[Mr Fox]

Originally posted by: BoboKatt
Hey all,
Got the chance on getting 2 sets of RAM (both 2 GIG kits), one TEAM DDR2-800 4-4-4-10 (TXDD2048M800HC4DC) and the other is Crucial Ballisitx DDR2-800 4-4-4-12 (BL2KIT12864AA804).

The reason I ask is that I am not finding many reviews for CD2 cpu and say 965 mobos or 975 and especially OCing (which is my directrion e6600 and DS3 or P5B-E). Most it seems, at least for the Ballistix are for older P4 that I care not for. Are these 2 RAM sets pretty much comparable if price is equal? I have heard so much about the famous Ballistix line but I am not sure if this set falls into that line. I have heard instead amazing things about the Team ram (from Tankguys) which apparently is very well accepted and loved throughout the OC community.


thanks

My personal take on this is : If you are going to buy Micron chips.... who would you rather buy them from ? Crucial/Micron ? or someone else that is implementing their chips ?

The Crucial Sticks hit JEDEC specs at 1.8v

This memory will post on that MOBO without BIOS vRAM adjustment.


The Team Xtreem hits JEDEC specs at 2.0 - 2.2v

You may or may not be able to post using this memory on that MOBO and that depends upon luck of the draw... If you can post, or have other DDR 2 around so that you can raise the voltage in the BIOS, then you will be Ok. It will just be unstable until the voltage is raised.


Now on my own personal Experience with Crucial Ballisitx DDR2-800 4-4-4-12 (BL2KIT12864AA804) on My D5W DH Deluxe Wi/Fi is 24/7 @ 1066 at 2.0v@ 5-5-5-15
It will O/C to 999 at stock vRAM. and hold JEDEC timings.

Throw the usual Disclaimer in there.....It is luck of the draw.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Team Group FTW.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

Either one is excellent, I would go with the best price which is Crucial at ZZF

 

[cmdrdredd]

Teamgroup...I've run that memory in a P5B Deluxe at DDR2-1100 at 5-4-4-12 with 2.1v

They do boot up with the P5B Deluxe out of the box with no changes (should apply to the P5B-E and DS3 too). I do know the DS3 caps out with the micron chips at a certain point. I don't have the number right now, but a new BIOS (released yet?) should fix it.

and FYI: every spec sheet I find for crucial says 2.2v not 1.8v

edit: after I built my system I think I would have picked something other than corsair if I had a choice again. At the time, nobody knew much about the Micron D9 chips and how good they were. Everyone had trouble getting certain memory to boot. corsair would boot out of the box almost 100% for everyone I asked so I just got it based on that. The fact that it can do DDR2-1000 at 5-5-5-15 is ok, but I know had I gotten something like G.Skill HZ, Crucial Ballistix, Teamgroup etc. That I would get much lower timings.

 

[joebjoe]

I can say from experience that the P5B-E and the Ballistix work great.

 

[orion23]

I have the ballistix and they are great!

 

[The-Noid]

Mr. Fox: Your post makes you look like you work for Crucial in the way you write. 1000 @ 1.8v is literally unbelievable. I have 7 sets of hard binned rams sitting around here and couldn't do it with any of them. Corsair 6400C3, Corsair 8000UL, OCZ Platinum EL 1000, OCZ TI 1000, TeamGroup DDR667 3-3-3-8, TeamGroup DDR800 3-3-3-8, G.SKILL 3-4-3-8 DDR800. None of these sets even come close to booting 1000 @ 1.8v. That pretty much means you have a 1300-1400 mhz set @ 2.7v. If these sticks are for real shoot me a PM and I would be happy to take them off your hands or trade for any of these sets.

I think in the end you have a better chance with the TeamGroups as Crucial has been doing quite a bit of binning with the 8888CL4, 8500CL5, 6400C3, 8000CL5 that all come in line before the 6400CL4. The people that have really good results are before they have been used in so many sets.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: Yoxxy
Mr. Fox: Your post makes you look like you work for Crucial in the way you write. 1000 @ 1.8v is literally unbelievable. I have 7 sets of hard binned rams sitting around here and couldn't do it with any of them. Corsair 6400C3, Corsair 8000UL, OCZ Platinum EL 1000, OCZ TI 1000, TeamGroup DDR667 3-3-3-8, TeamGroup DDR800 3-3-3-8, G.SKILL 3-4-3-8 DDR800. None of these sets even come close to booting 1000 @ 1.8v. That pretty much means you have a 1300-1400 mhz set @ 2.7v. If these sticks are for real shoot me a PM and I would be happy to take them off your hands or trade for any of these sets.

I think in the end you have a better chance with the TeamGroups as Crucial has been doing quite a bit of binning with the 8888CL4, 8500CL5, 6400C3, 8000CL5 that all come in line before the 6400CL4. The people that have really good results are before they have been used in so many sets.

Never thought about that...good point though.

 

[Blain]

Has Crucial got their act together on the Ballistix line, or was it just the DDR that had problems (sudden death)?

 

[Capt Caveman]

Crucial Ballistix problems were only with their 1gb DDR500 sticks. They performed amazingly out of the box but after several months would slowly die.

 

[The-Noid]

Electro Static Migration. Happens with a lot of hardware that is rated for such high volts. That is what warranties are for. Crucial is not the greatest memory manufcature but they have low prices so they are good.

 

[n7]

The odd thing about Crucial is that they always seem to give out their good Micron chips to other manufacturers, & keep the crappier ones for themself.

Seriously, if you look into many review, you'll find that Crucial often doesn't OC as well as their competitors using their own Micron chips.

That being said, it's hard to say how well the 10th anniversary will stack up overall till we see a bit more users running it.

I'd be inclined to stick with the Team Xtreem stuff though, since it's pretty much guaranteed @ least 1000 5-5-5 worst case scenario.

 

[TankGuys]

Originally posted by: n7
The odd thing about Crucial is that they always seem to give out their good Micron chips to other manufacturers, & keep the crappier ones for themself.

Seriously, if you look into many review, you'll find that Crucial often doesn't OC as well as their competitors using their own Micron chips.

That being said, it's hard to say how well the 10th anniversary will stack up overall till we see a bit more users running it.

I'd be inclined to stick with the Team Xtreem stuff though, since it's pretty much guaranteed @ least 1000 5-5-5 worst case scenario.

I think that's partly because Crucial isn't trying to be known for overclocking. They brand themselves as stable, quality memory, and the ballistix line is likely a very small part of the picture for them. As such, it may make great business sense for them to sell off the 'best' chips to the companies who are willing to pay top dollar for them, since that is the market niche they are trying to occupy.

 

[Mr Fox]

Originally posted by: Yoxxy
Mr. Fox: Your post makes you look like you work for Crucial in the way you write. 1000 @ 1.8v is literally unbelievable. I have 7 sets of hard binned rams sitting around here and couldn't do it with any of them. Corsair 6400C3, Corsair 8000UL, OCZ Platinum EL 1000, OCZ TI 1000, TeamGroup DDR667 3-3-3-8, TeamGroup DDR800 3-3-3-8, G.SKILL 3-4-3-8 DDR800. None of these sets even come close to booting 1000 @ 1.8v. That pretty much means you have a 1300-1400 mhz set @ 2.7v. If these sticks are for real shoot me a PM and I would be happy to take them off your hands or trade for any of these sets.

I think in the end you have a better chance with the TeamGroups as Crucial has been doing quite a bit of binning with the 8888CL4, 8500CL5, 6400C3, 8000CL5 that all come in line before the 6400CL4. The people that have really good results are before they have been used in so many sets.

Nope Just someone that got lucky on My Build... it boils down to tons of research, and proper purchasing..

Chips is Chips..It is the Luck of the Draw... . and how you chose to run them......


Finesse vs Brute Voltages....

 

[The-Noid]

Yes, because all sets finesse out an extra 200 mhz with .2 volts under what they are rated for.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: Yoxxy
Yes, because all sets finesse out an extra 200 mhz with .2 volts under what they are rated for.

 

[Shimmishim]

i like my crucial ballistix. i was weary at first after having 2 sets of ddr1 die on me but it was hard to pass up when they were around $180 for a 2 gig set

 

[Jumpem]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
edit: after I built my system I think I would have picked something other than corsair if I had a choice again. At the time, nobody knew much about the Micron D9 chips and how good they were. Everyone had trouble getting certain memory to boot. corsair would boot out of the box almost 100% for everyone I asked so I just got it based on that. The fact that it can do DDR2-1000 at 5-5-5-15 is ok, but I know had I gotten something like G.Skill HZ, Crucial Ballistix, Teamgroup etc. That I would get much lower timings.

I was going to get the Corsair, but now you have me reconsidering.

How do I know what RAM has these Micron D9 chips? If it helps, I am looking for 2x1GB PC6400.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: Jumpem

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
edit: after I built my system I think I would have picked something other than corsair if I had a choice again. At the time, nobody knew much about the Micron D9 chips and how good they were. Everyone had trouble getting certain memory to boot. corsair would boot out of the box almost 100% for everyone I asked so I just got it based on that. The fact that it can do DDR2-1000 at 5-5-5-15 is ok, but I know had I gotten something like G.Skill HZ, Crucial Ballistix, Teamgroup etc. That I would get much lower timings.

I was going to get the Corsair, but now you have me reconsidering.

How do I know what RAM has these Micron D9 chips? If it helps, I am looking for 2x1GB PC6400.

A few lines specifically use them. I'll list a few... Patriot, Crucial Ballistix, OCZ Platinum EL, Mushkin (as far as I know), G.Skill HZ series, Teamgroup, Corsair Dominator series.

Now the best for the money right now would be crucial from zip zoom fly. However, I'm in agreement that teamgroup would be a better bet for achieving a good overclock. Crucial has been doing some binning of their 800Mhz chips to build their higher performance lines. So most of the good chips go to the DDR2-1000 and faster moduels. Other chips may or nay not overclock to those levels stably with tight timings.

 

[Jumpem]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
A few lines specifically use them. I'll list a few... Patriot, Crucial Ballistix, OCZ Platinum EL, Mushkin (as far as I know), G.Skill HZ series, Teamgroup, Corsair Dominator series.

Now the best for the money right now would be crucial from zip zoom fly. However, I'm in agreement that teamgroup would be a better bet for achieving a good overclock. Crucial has been doing some binning of their 800Mhz chips to build their higher performance lines. So most of the good chips go to the DDR2-1000 and faster moduels. Other chips may or nay not overclock to those levels stably with tight timings.

Thanks.

Newegg has a good price on that G Skill, maybe I'll get that.

 

[The-Noid]

Corsair PC2-6400 C4 also contain them. Some G.Skill HZ do not, so I would look out for them.

 

[Jumpem]

Originally posted by: Yoxxy
Corsair PC2-6400 C4 also contain them. Some G.Skill HZ do not, so I would look out for them.

:frown:

Ugh, so how do I know for sure. It's not like newegg lists that in the product info.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: Jumpem

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
A few lines specifically use them. I'll list a few... Patriot, Crucial Ballistix, OCZ Platinum EL, Mushkin (as far as I know), G.Skill HZ series, Teamgroup, Corsair Dominator series.

Now the best for the money right now would be crucial from zip zoom fly. However, I'm in agreement that teamgroup would be a better bet for achieving a good overclock. Crucial has been doing some binning of their 800Mhz chips to build their higher performance lines. So most of the good chips go to the DDR2-1000 and faster moduels. Other chips may or nay not overclock to those levels stably with tight timings.

Thanks.

Newegg has a good price on that G Skill, maybe I'll get that.

teamgroup DDR2-800 from tankguys.com has 4-4-4-10 timings. That's pretty good for $287. The Crucial Ballistix are rated at 4-4-412 at DDR2-800 for about $260 at zipzoomfly.com

Those are probably the 2 best bets. (Both use micron D9)