DDR2-800 or DDR2-1066

[Quiksilver]

Alright I'm really plagued by this question but what would be the best for overclocking with DDR2-800 or DDR2-1066?

I plan on using 4x 1 GB sticks with Vista 64bit Ultimate.

I'm really pondering this as I just saw this pop up on newegg:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16820148144

Some sort of special edition :S I'm really considering because it is cheaper that my original pick and it matches my color setup better (the blue leds) and black.

Original Pick:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16820148070

Any thoughts?

If you need to know the rest of my build.
See this picture.

My only clue to what this RAM is about is this...
http://promotions.newegg.com/LANFEST2007/index.html

 

[SerpentRoyal]

It may be difficult to push fours sticks above 500MHz. The sweet spot is 500MHz max with 4-4-4-12 or lower timing. Higher speed will require slower timing, so you won't make much foward progress with this strategy. Crucial Ballistix DDR2 800 would be my 1st choice.

Core speed is KING. Do not overstress the CPU and MB just to achieve an ultra high RAM speed.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Tell me what you think of my remarks on this thread (also accessible today on this first page of threads):

Thoughts on using high-performance RAM in various divider ratios

I also am trolling this forum for insights. Right now, I'm trying to tune my Q6600 system for "power-management," because it uses 282W at idle and I need to trim down our power bill.

I just added a 2x512 1GB kit of Crucials to my Striker board for a total of 3GB in dual-channel mode. I take a hit on losing the 1T=command-rate performance. It doesn't seem to add much to the idle wattage, and I almost wish I'd left it alone. But your choice of operating system might likely drive your need for 4GB as opposed to 2.

I've stalled on moving up to VISTA, or even 64-bit XP. What do you know -- what's the skinny on the street -- about legacy software compatibility with the 64-bit version OS's?

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Turn off PC when not in use. That's the easiest and most effective method of reducing the power bill.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

By the way, QuickSilver -- per your sig configuration for the AMD "San Diego" -- I quote it here:

Thermaltake Mambo
Zalman 7700-CU
2x Aerocool Extreme Turbine 120mm
Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe
AMD 4000+ San Diego Core
OCZ Platinum Rev2 DDR400 2GB (2x 1GB)

Those are the OCZ Platinum DDR400's with the Aeneon chips, aren't they? How do you like those bad boys? I've got them in a socket-478 Prescott system and set at those tight, stock latencies of 2,3,2,5, 1T, but I ran the clock speed up to 452 from 400 and boosted the VDIMM to 2.75V (just under the warranty limit). Those suckers scream, don't they?

 

[BonzaiDuck]

This is "off topic," Mr. "King-Snake," but I'm plodding through the XP Resource Toolkit bible (e-book) right now. It used to be the case that beyond putting the monitor to sleep, I'd get instabilities with standby or hibernation options. My motherboards were "dated." So I stopped "investigating" ACPI and APM options. Apparently the APM options in XP (possibly even VISTA) are legacy, and only for notebook machines.

Maybe you have some insights to offer? I really don't like shutting this thing on and off more than once or twice daily, but -- if I didn't already say so -- it's using 282W at idle. [Striker Extreme, 4 RAM sticks, Q6600, BFG nVidia 8800 GTS, seven fans with three running at thermally-controlled half-speed.]

You could either PM me, or post your notes here if QuickSilver doesn't mind . . .

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Standby and hibernate have always been hit or miss with desktop PCs. The vendor has total control of what goes on in a notebook. Therefore, you have better driver support. I've been turning my PC ON/OFF at least five times per day for the last 9 years. The only hardware failure is those dodgy Antec SP350 PSUs. First unit died in about one month. Another unit failed within 4 months. Never had any HDD issue. Course I always replace them after four years, regardless of use.

The big power hogs (GPU and MB) are to blame. That Asus board is very inefficient. 20 to 30 more watts regardless of load.

 

[Quiksilver]

Originally posted by: BonzaiDuck
By the way, QuickSilver -- per your sig configuration for the AMD "San Diego" -- I quote it here:

Thermaltake Mambo
Zalman 7700-CU
2x Aerocool Extreme Turbine 120mm
Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe
AMD 4000+ San Diego Core
OCZ Platinum Rev2 DDR400 2GB (2x 1GB)

Those are the OCZ Platinum DDR400's with the Aeneon chips, aren't they? How do you like those bad boys? I've got them in a socket-478 Prescott system and set at those tight, stock latencies of 2,3,2,5, 1T, but I ran the clock speed up to 452 from 400 and boosted the VDIMM to 2.75V (just under the warranty limit). Those suckers scream, don't they?

I'm not sure if they are the Aeneon chips though. They sure do scream I had this system oc'd for a little while then I moved, where in less that one year were had about 7 power outages cause of a shotty sub-station nearby so I decided to return everything to stock just to be a bit more on the side. Also with no AC here I don't want to push them too hard

Besides when this upgrade is complete I will more than likely hand this sytem down to my mother (of course I will take it apart clean everything from head to toe and change the paste.)

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Ahh!! These forums are fun. so you also are handing down systems to mom or possibly your siblings? Mom's getting an upgrade from me for Xmas. she does "genealogy" research on the computer, but she can't seem to figure out s*** for dialogs about AV and Windows upgrades. I almost think it will be "lost" on her, but once I build a system, I become fond of it, so I keep it "in the family."

Based on your assessment, those Platinums DO use Aeneon chips, and they're very elastic for higher speeds at low latencies. If the stock latencies are 2,3,2,5, then "those are the ones."

Too bad that OCZ doesn't make similar behaving modules for their recent DDR2's. And no wonder they sold some 1GB DDR2-800 "Platinum" kits for only $40 at PC Club recently. Apparently, people don't like 'em.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

. . . but this gets back to my "off topic" concerns that SerpentRoyal aka King-snake is addressing. You sound like you're not using a "smart" UPS system. I think it's a good insurance policy. Without the "smart" USB connection, though, you're SOOL and it will shorten battery life during extended outages.

 

[Quiksilver]

Originally posted by: BonzaiDuck
. . . but this gets back to my "off topic" concerns that SerpentRoyal aka King-snake is addressing. You sound like you're not using a "smart" UPS system. I think it's a good insurance policy. Without the "smart" USB connection, though, you're SOOL and it will shorten battery life during extended outages.

I'm not too worried about power outages as I'm moving again (end of this week) besides I have a really nice surge protector that can detect wire faults amongst other things.

Ze Off Topic:
I did a quick look at here http://ramlist.ath.cx/ddr/ to see if those do use the aeneon chips and it seems the only ones that do are pc4000. Mines it pc3200 which use the samsung tccd's.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

That list you posted should be reliable. I had trusted the information I read in a review of those modules before I bought them. As far as I can tell, your EL Platinums are the same as MY EL Platinums.

It's possible the list is in error and the review was correct, since the review showed a photo of a chip on the module (heatspreader removed) which said "Aeneon." But we're talking about the same modules, and all I can say is -- the review described the clock settings and latencies for which the modules were capable, and I verified that everything they said was true. If you want to push them past 454 Mhz, you have to loosen the timings from 2,3,2,5 to 2.5,4,4,7. I'm sticking with the 2,3,2,5 settings.

On the UPS. Even good surge-protectors using varistors (they all do, as far as I know), will have those varistors go bad over time. I'd OC'd a twin to my Prescott for my brother using a set of those Platinum ELs. He has a farmhouse 15 miles from here, and they're attached to a different power grid. They've had outages, and in fact, there is a wiring problem that the crisis I'm describing here laid bare to him and my sis-in-law. But his immediate problem with the OC'd Prescott was BIOS reset to default and unable to boot when they had an outage. We tested the surge suppressor he was using, and it had gone bad. Getting him to buy a UPS was like pulling teeth, but when the power went down again, he got the idea.

Not twisting your arm, but trust me -- it's a good investment.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Sorry for the multiple posts, but I have to tell you about those Newegg "Anniversary Edition" Crucial modules.

Those are TRACERS!! I tracked down the manufacturers product code given at Newegg for them:

BL2KIT12864AL804US $157.99

CRUCIAL BALLISTIX TRACERS DDR2-800">http://www.crucial.com/store/p...ODULE=BL2KIT12864AL804</a>

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Sorry about that link:

Crucial Ballistix Tracer DDR2-800

 

[drakore]

duck those platinum rev2's should be TCCD's, they dropped the rev2's around the time of the hyperx and corsair xms' i believe..


it was like the first get of ddr400 2-2-2-5-1

unfortunately i have gone through 2 sets of hyperx 2-2-2-5-1, so i am rma'ing them and selling them off.

 

[Quiksilver]

Originally posted by: BonzaiDuck
Sorry for the multiple posts, but I have to tell you about those Newegg "Anniversary Edition" Crucial modules.

Those are TRACERS!! I tracked down the manufacturers product code given at Newegg for them:

BL2KIT12864AL804US $157.99

CRUCIAL BALLISTIX TRACERS DDR2-800">http://www.crucial.com/store/p...ODULE=BL2KIT12864AL804</a>

Yeah I figured that much but their custom made by the looks. Which is cool

I'm gonna go ahead and purchase them now.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Drakore -- I'd have to search for a while -- on local disk or on web -- to refresh my memory. On the OCZ Plat EL DDR400's, there may have been a rev.1 and rev.2, but I THINK they were rated both at 2,3,2,5. I can't even remember whether the one's I got in April '07 for my brother were r1 or r2, but they might have used different parts for the different revisions. Also, they seem to OC the same. I can't remember whether the voltage limit was 2.6 or 2.8, but according to the review, it was 2.8. I think that review was published in '04 -- just a minute . . . .

Darn. I thought I'd saved it in INternet Favorites, but no. The link came off the OCZ website as an award or review for that product, and it was either at ViperLair or Hardware Logic. I think the latter, and . . . . . they don't keep their old reviews in archive. It's gone.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

. . . Anyway, quiksilver -- the OCZ product history suggests what you might expect from choosing DDR2-800 over DDR2-1000+ modules.

It's very likely that you can get the latency settings down as low as I have these PC2-8000's.

And anyway -- I ordered some. Too bad the rebate's only good at one per household.

 

[de8212]

Not to steal this thread but what's the difference in the ones and this Crucial 2x1GB kit?

All the specs appear to be the same or am I missing something?

 

[Quiksilver]

Originally posted by: de8212
Not to steal this thread but what's the difference in the ones and this Crucial 2x1GB kit?

All the specs appear to be the same or am I missing something?

Nothing, other than those ones are just a normal heat spreader. The ones I linked to are some sort of special editon of the tracers but with all blue leds.

There is something I am curious about though and that is are they going to be a different micron chip (lower grade) or some handpicked set. Hmmm...

Duck-
$100 for 2 Gb's for a pair of micron d9's seems amazing. I just bought 4 gig's of it

 

[Aznguy1872]

Originally posted by: BonzaiDuck
. . . Anyway, quiksilver -- the OCZ product history suggests what you might expect from choosing DDR2-800 over DDR2-1000+ modules.

It's very likely that you can get the latency settings down as low as I have these PC2-8000's.

And anyway -- I ordered some. Too bad the rebate's only good at one per household.

Couldn't u just ship to a different address? Like say I ordered the crucials last month but now I want another pair. I have an address down at where I go to school at and my home address, couldn't I just mail it to my address at school?

 

[Quiksilver]

Originally posted by: Aznguy1872

Originally posted by: BonzaiDuck
. . . Anyway, quiksilver -- the OCZ product history suggests what you might expect from choosing DDR2-800 over DDR2-1000+ modules.

It's very likely that you can get the latency settings down as low as I have these PC2-8000's.

And anyway -- I ordered some. Too bad the rebate's only good at one per household.

Couldn't u just ship to a different address? Like say I ordered the crucials last month but now I want another pair. I have an address down at where I go to school at and my home address, couldn't I just mail it to my address at school?

You probably could... but um.... a school? of all addresses. I mean can't you go with a friends house or a family member?