DC Auto Show Report

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Lifer
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So today I went to the DC Auto Show.

Here are some of my impressions:

TOP LEVEL / DOMESTIC BRANDS (+Mazda, Volvo, Saab)

Cadillac CTS-V: Not bad at all. Seemed to draw quite the crowd. Interior fit and finish was pretty good, though the shiny black interior trim left tons of fingerprints. Overall, I agree that the car is one heck of a value at $60K.

Corvette ZR1: It was there but could not sit in it. A lot of people wanted to. Again, it drew quite a crowd. A lot of excited people. The clear plastic engine cover is pretty stupid and gimmicky though.

Chevy Camaro: Pretty good looking car. Two pre-production models were there. Could not sit in them. I certainly prefer it to the Dodge Challenger. But I certainly prefer the 2010 Mustang Shelby Cobra over both of them. Talk about a mean looking car.

Chevy Cruze: Could not sit in it, but I would say it's a hot little number!

Ford: Props for giving out free 2010 Mustang GT Hot Wheels! 2010 Ford Shelby Cobra.

Mazda: The new MZ3 is a disaster...even in person. I was a previous-gen sedan owner, but if I bought a current-gen, it would be a hatch. Simply looks better. Both look like ass from the back...and front. I felt interior quality has diminished somewhat. All of the variants I sat in had completely gray/black interiors. I miss the days of the blue/red cloth interiors of the original model. They were just completely boring on the inside. Fit and finish is about the same. Overall, I would say the MZ3 has taken a step backwards. I still like the MZ6 and LOVE the Miata.

Overall Impression of Domestics: I felt like they were on the whole making progress. My opinions were more positive than negative. I feel the domestics might even be doing more on the Green/Eco front than others. But I am sure that was their intent to convey, especially in DC.


BOTTOM LEVEL / FOREIGN BRANDS (Including Chrysler/Jeep/Dodge)

Fisker: The Karma was there, as well as a two-door convertible version. Both gorgeous! I was able to get inside the ropes and sit in the Karma. Way cool! Even better, I spent about 20 minutes talking to Paul Boskovitch who is the Manager of Engineering of Powertrain and Electrical (the heart and soul of the car). The man has a storied career working for GM and other companies, responsible for a lot of the hybrid technology we are familiar with today. I didn't know this but most of the hybrid tech was developed over a decade ago by GM and Ford but they more or less gave it to the Japanese without filing for patents and such. The Japenese ran with the technology, filed their own patents, and now GM & Ford are licensing a lot of the technology from Toyota...technology GM & Ford developed. Doh!

To top things off, I shook hands with and had about a 5 minute conversation with Henrik Fisker himself. He is the man who penned the Z8, Aston DB9, AMV8, and many more.

Tesla: Was there. Getting in and out of that little car is a challenge...the same as an Elise.

Toyota/Scion/Lexus/Nissan/Honda/Acura: Pretty much breezed through their areas. Saw the GT-R last year. I was disappointed that the 370Z was not there??? Otherwise, zzZZZzzzzZZZzzzzzZZZ.

Edit: The new Prius looks MUCH better than the outgoing model!

Hyundai: Pretty much the same as the above, Genesis included. A luxury car competitor it is not. Perhaps high-end Honda/Toyota, yes.

Subaru: Still like Subarus! If I had purchased any car today, it would have most likely been a Subaru WRX Premium. It has everything I need in a car and more.

Mercedes/VW: Didn't really stop there either.

BMW: The new 7 still looks like ass but the new iDrive system is a HUGE improvement over the original version! Still wish I could afford a 135. I hope the 335d is a success. The new Z4 is kinda meh to me.

Audi: I saved the best for last. Inside and out, Audis are still my favorite. S4/S5/A8/R8...I love them all! The new R8 V10 is more bad ass than ever. Note to Chevy: this how you're suppose to apply a clear engine cover!

Porsche: Not there this year! Sign of the times.

 

JSt0rm

Lifer
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Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Even better, I spent about 20 minutes talking to Paul Boskovitch who is the Manager of Engineering of Powertrain and Electrical (the heart and soul of the car). The man has a storied career working for GM and other companies, responsible for a lot of the hybrid technology we are familiar with today. I didn't know this but most of the hybrid tech was developed over a decade ago by GM and Ford but they more or less gave it to the Japanese without filing for patents and such. The Japenese ran with the technology, filed their own patents, and now GM & Ford are licensing a lot of the technology from Toyota...technology GM & Ford developed. Doh!

This is why these companies deserve to die a painful death. Have you watched "who killed the electric car"? Idiots. I will never buy a GM car because of this. But I do agree with you the Fisker Karma is a sweet looking ride :)
 

SparkyJJO

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I heard that the Camaro will be at the Cleveland auto show and that we'll actually be able to sit in it. I want to go and see it. I dream of owning one of those someday.
 

theeedude

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Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Even better, I spent about 20 minutes talking to Paul Boskovitch who is the Manager of Engineering of Powertrain and Electrical (the heart and soul of the car). The man has a storied career working for GM and other companies, responsible for a lot of the hybrid technology we are familiar with today. I didn't know this but most of the hybrid tech was developed over a decade ago by GM and Ford but they more or less gave it to the Japanese without filing for patents and such. The Japenese ran with the technology, filed their own patents, and now GM & Ford are licensing a lot of the technology from Toyota...technology GM & Ford developed. Doh!

This is why these companies deserve to die a painful death. Have you watched "who killed the electric car"? Idiots. I will never buy a GM car because of this. But I do agree with you the Fisker Karma is a sweet looking ride :)

They deserve a painful death because they shared the technology they developed with the world instead of filing patents for it and charging license fees? OK, yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
 

PricklyPete

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Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

This is why these companies deserve to die a painful death. Have you watched "who killed the electric car"? Idiots. I will never buy a GM car because of this. But I do agree with you the Fisker Karma is a sweet looking ride :)

Really...you'd make a blanket statement like that because you watched a biased documentary that paints a car company in a negative light about incidents that happened well over a decade ago? You realize the same people who were running GM then are not running GM now and GM has been putting out significantly impressive cars lately. Sure they still have some still-born models...but give the company some credit where credit is due. Your comment comes across ignorant otherwise.
 

JSt0rm

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Originally posted by: senseamp
They deserve a painful death because they shared the technology they developed with the world instead of filing patents for it and charging license fees? OK, yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

They deserve a painful death because they didn't act on the technology.
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
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Originally posted by: PricklyPete
Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

This is why these companies deserve to die a painful death. Have you watched "who killed the electric car"? Idiots. I will never buy a GM car because of this. But I do agree with you the Fisker Karma is a sweet looking ride :)

Really...you'd make a blanket statement like that because you watched a biased documentary that paints a car company in a negative light about incidents that happened well over a decade ago?

Not entirely. GM is just one choice in many. If I choose to never give them money based on how they acted in the past I can do that with little effect to either party.
 

Fenixgoon

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Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

This is why these companies deserve to die a painful death. Have you watched "who killed the electric car"? Idiots. I will never buy a GM car because of this. But I do agree with you the Fisker Karma is a sweet looking ride :)

the ford f150 has been the best selling vehicle in america for 23 years running. what does that tell you about "who killed the electric car"?

when oil prices dropped like a rock, truck and SUV sales went back up. what does that tell you about the intelligence of your average american and their ability to put their money where their mouth is?
 

theeedude

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Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
Originally posted by: senseamp
They deserve a painful death because they shared the technology they developed with the world instead of filing patents for it and charging license fees? OK, yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

They deserve a painful death because they didn't act on the technology.

?
Fusion Hybrid gets better mileage than Camry Hybrid. GM has a full size hybrid truck based SUV before Toyota. Where is Toyota's Hybrid Tundra? Ooops, don't have a robust enough hybrid system. Maybe they should license one from GM. Maybe domestics didn't make good PR out of their technology, but they did act on it.
 

JSt0rm

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Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

the ford f150 has been the best selling vehicle in america for 23 years running. what does that tell you about "who killed the electric car"?

nothing? :confused:
 

potato28

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Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

the ford f150 has been the best selling vehicle in america for 23 years running. what does that tell you about "who killed the electric car"?

nothing? :confused:

A truck is selling better than the small car for a long period of time, so where is GM and Ford going to make their money? Trucks and SUV's. Why do you think the electric car was killed? Because trucks and SUV's were selling very well when the EV-1 was out being tested.
 

PricklyPete

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Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
Originally posted by: PricklyPete
Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

This is why these companies deserve to die a painful death. Have you watched "who killed the electric car"? Idiots. I will never buy a GM car because of this. But I do agree with you the Fisker Karma is a sweet looking ride :)

Really...you'd make a blanket statement like that because you watched a biased documentary that paints a car company in a negative light about incidents that happened well over a decade ago?

Not entirely. GM is just one choice in many. If I choose to never give them money based on how they acted in the past I can do that with little effect to either party.

Huh? What does "not entirely" mean. I don't own a GM vehicle (or domestic vehicle for that matter) and who knows what I'll buy next...it is up to my needs. But I'm still not going to make an ignorant statement that I'll never give GM my money based on some BIASED documentary about how GM was run a long time ago. If you make reactive blanket decisions like that off of only one person's perspective (the documentary), it sheds a very negative light on your logic and decision making ability. If you were my purchasing manager I'd definitely consider firing you after hearing a comment like that.

 

JSt0rm

Lifer
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Wow. i didn't mean to poopoo on all your favorite girl. Carry on. Forget I ever existed. I was rolling with the story in the original post but eh...I can understand if some of your jobs rely on the health of this company and you are attacking me as such. Some people have to work at shitty companies :)
 

GTaudiophile

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UPDATE

I went BACK to the show today after work to kill some time.

I went back to see what I had missed...and to check out more of the car babes.

I have to correct my earlier statement that 370Z was not there. They did have a yellow one...in the rear of the display...with a bra on it...hence why I missed it the first time.

Like the Corvette, the 370Z is just one of the best "bargains" out there. Impressive sports car.

Today, I spend more time at Mercedes/VW but nothing impressed me.

I sat in the new Z4 today and have a better impression, but it's gotten so far away from its roots.

Otherwise, I can't revise much of my statements from yesterday.
 

Bignate603

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Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Even better, I spent about 20 minutes talking to Paul Boskovitch who is the Manager of Engineering of Powertrain and Electrical (the heart and soul of the car). The man has a storied career working for GM and other companies, responsible for a lot of the hybrid technology we are familiar with today. I didn't know this but most of the hybrid tech was developed over a decade ago by GM and Ford but they more or less gave it to the Japanese without filing for patents and such. The Japenese ran with the technology, filed their own patents, and now GM & Ford are licensing a lot of the technology from Toyota...technology GM & Ford developed. Doh!

This is why these companies deserve to die a painful death. Have you watched "who killed the electric car"? Idiots. I will never buy a GM car because of this. But I do agree with you the Fisker Karma is a sweet looking ride :)

The EV1 was created to meet California regulations. What killed the electric car was the lack of battery technology at the time and then the government deciding to relax the regulations that had pushed them to make it in the first place. It was too expensive to maintain a handful of effectively hand built vehicles that really weren't that useful because of long charge times and limited range.

Honestly, at least they tried. Where were all the other automakers? Other companies didn't even make it that far to put a car out there and give it a shot but GM gets torn to pieces because they made something and put it out for the public to give it a try.

And also, if you think Micheal Moore is telling the truth in "Who killed the electric car" or any of his other movies you are sorely mistaken. He sprinkles truth in there with unfounded claims to make controversial movies that sell. He's out to make a buck just like everyone else and as long as people keep buying his movies he'll keep saying whatever he wants.
 

Fenixgoon

Lifer
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i just got back from the philly auto show. will make my report in a little, including a massive photodump :D