DC’s Legends of Tomorrow

[Elixer]

Looks like they are all aboard the superhero wagon...which isn't a bad thing.
Flash & Arrow seem to be doing well so far.

The CW has not yet announced when exactly in 2016 Legends of Tomorrow will be hitting the airwaves, but Amell’s tease of a three-night crossover event could mean that the spinoff will not follow either The Flash on Tuesday nights or Arrow on Wednesday nights. Hopefully for fans of the future Legends of Flarrow-verse, Legends of Tomorrow will land on a Monday or Thursday.

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[Elixer]

Anyone catch this?
So far, I like this guy the best...

 

[Kaido]

All I can see is Prison Break with superpowers :awe:

 

[Elixer]

All I can see is Prison Break with superpowers :awe:

Oh, so that was Bellick in a suit?

 

[Newbian]

I watched it and it was ok but the main problem I have is other then Captain Cold I honestly don't give a crap about any of the other "heroes" the team consists of so we will see.

 

[KlokWyze]

Looks horrible by a child's standards. What are you, cavemen?

 

[Childs]

I like the idea of Dr Who in the DC universe, but yeah, none of the characters except Rip Hunter, Captain Cold and Heatwave are watchable. I think having the Hawks in the show was a major miss step.

 

[freeskier93]

I probably missed something in the beginning but I was completely confused by what's his face savage. I could have sworn they killed him in the Flash/Arrow crossover. I had to turn to the Internet to figure it out.

The Hawks are kind of unbearable, but just slightly more bearable then laurel's big screechy mouth. The cheese level of the arrow has shot up exponentially this season, there is some cheese present in this show, luckily no cheese yet in the Flash.

 

[waggy]

I enjoyed it. sure it had it's cheesy moments and terrible acting. but i overall i thought it was pretty good.

 

[Elixer]

I probably missed something in the beginning but I was completely confused by what's his face savage. I could have sworn they killed him in the Flash/Arrow crossover. I had to turn to the Internet to figure it out.

The Hawks are kind of unbearable, but just slightly more bearable then laurel's big screechy mouth. The cheese level of the arrow has shot up exponentially this season, there is some cheese present in this show, luckily no cheese yet in the Flash.

Savage can't die, UNLESS the Hawks do it, so, there you go, the whole reason they are in the show.

Yeah, they "beat" Savage the first time, and he split apart, but, like all good villains, he put himself back together sometime in the future.

 

[Childs]

Savage can't die, UNLESS the Hawks do it, so, there you go, the whole reason they are in the show.

Yeah, they "beat" Savage the first time, and he split apart, but, like all good villains, he put himself back together sometime in the future.

There was no reason to tie Savage to the Hawks. His original origin story is much better.

Oh, but one thing I thought was great was the reasoning for assembling this specific team.

 

[gorobei]

its a little flat in some places, but assuming they find their groove it should be a fun series with less of the cheese on arrow and bipolar of flash.

right now the dark side of the team(lotz,miller,purcell) are the only ones having any fun, thus the only interesting ones.

not sure how long the series can last but ill tune in.

 

[BoomerD]

Since I like the Flash and Arrow shows, I gave this one a try as well. Couldn't make it through the part 1 of the pilot. TOO cheesy. CGI was pretty bad, as was the acting and script writing. I'm disappointed.

 

[Newbian]

I wish they don't bother with trying to make us care with a death as they have a time machine to fix it as we have seen in numerous shows before.

 

[dainthomas]

I never watched Arrow or Flash, but watched the first episode of this. Seemed pretty good, but I'm not sure if I'm missing out on a lot not having watched the other shows.

 

[Kaido]

Oh, so that was Bellick in a suit?

That would actually be hilarious if they did a superhero version of Prison Break with Bellick chasing them down with superpowers

 

[Ken g6]

I wish they don't bother with trying to make us care with a death as they have a time machine to fix it as we have seen in numerous shows before.

But they talked about time loops being a problem. I'm not sure how they'll "fix it". Unless they go back and

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pick up another incarnation of Hawkman

?

 

[Charmonium]

But they talked about time loops being a problem. I'm not sure how they'll "fix it". Unless they go back and

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pick up another incarnation of Hawkman

?

This completely off topic, but the best time loop I've ever seen in a television series was the one covering the end of season 1 and the beginning of season 2 of Babylon 5

 

[Childs]

One thing that bothers about the show is that the team is so overpowered between Atom, Firestorm, Captain Cold and Heatwave, yet 1970's thugs give them prolonged battles and

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they let Savage get away at least twice. Firestorm blasts him and knocks him out, then just leaves him there so he can later kick the Hawks asses. Just keep blasting him till he's a stump and the Hawks can take as many stabs at him as they want. Same with Atom. Yeah, get Hawkgirl back to the ship, but you dont need the whole group to do that. Finish kicking Savage's ass and then capture him or something. And adding insult to injury, they didnt even get the knife!

Also seems like Cold and Heatwave dont actually hit anyone with their weapons, just shoot them in the air. The same with Atom and Firestorm. They fly around dropping bombs and doing their energy blasts, but they dont hit anyone or scare anyone off. What rent a thug is going to stick around to fight when you see dudes flying around shooting energy blasts and fire? Or dudes with ice and heat guns? Or some chick with two sticks beating up like 10 guys? Its like they bring a nuclear bomb to a fist fight and still cant decisively beat anyone.

 

[JSt0rm]

Im about 2 years beyond my max superhero movie/tv show limit. It is amazing how much of this shit they can pump out. How often can the world be saved for it to not mean a thing?

 

[Ken g6]

This completely off topic, but the best time loop I've ever seen in a television series was the one covering the end of season 1 and the beginning of season 2 of Babylon 5

This seems like a good segue to bring up the problems with DC's theory of time travel. IMO, there are only two logical theories of time travel.

Theory 1 is that time is immutable. If you time-travel, it's only because you time-traveled before. Whatever you do in the past you already did. That's Babylon 5's theory of time travel. Whether you can keep the illusion of free will in such a scenario, as they did with Babylon 5, is debatable, but plausible.

Theory 2 is the "many worlds" theory. If you travel back in time you create a new universe. You can never return to your old universe by time travel. You can "fix" things to make your new universe similar to the old one, but it won't be identical. I don't think I've ever seen a TV show or movie that went with this theory and consistently stuck to it. Edit: Maybe Primer? I didn't make it all the way through that one.

DC's theory of time travel is neither of these. Their time travel is, shall we say, "wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey". It introduces all sorts of paradoxes that shouldn't be possible. They try to come up with rules to make sense of this, but really there is no way (that I know of) to make logical rules for this kind of time travel.

For instance (on The Flash), a time traveler kills your mother. You get the time traveler's ancestor killed. The time traveler disappears in the same timeline, without changing the timeline. The time traveler's ancestor and your mother are still dead. The time traveler later reappears in the same timeline, even though he's in a timeline he couldn't possibly exist in later, and hasn't traveled back before the point of his reappearance yet.

 

[Charmonium]

DC's theory of time travel is neither of these. Their time travel is, shall we say, "wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey". It introduces all sorts of paradoxes that shouldn't be possible. They try to come up with rules to make sense of this, but really there is no way (that I know of) to make logical rules for this kind of time travel.

That's like 12 Monkey (tv, not sure about movie). Early on they gave some bogus explanation for why they couldn't create paradoxes or if they did they wouldn't matter. But there you had someone going back and forth on a regular basis. Also you had most of the world die in the plague so the idea that past actions wouldn't have any affect on the future is more believable.

 

[Childs]

For instance (on The Flash), a time traveler kills your mother. You get the time traveler's ancestor killed. The time traveler disappears in the same timeline, without changing the timeline. The time traveler's ancestor and your mother are still dead. The time traveler later reappears in the same timeline, even though he's in a timeline he couldn't possibly exist in later, and hasn't traveled back before the point of his reappearance yet.

Didnt Wells say something like the past version of Reverse Flash may have been traveling back in time when the timeline was altered so he was kinda out of time phase or something? There could have been many versions of Reverse Flash time traveling at any point in time. Barry has seen himself a couple of times. Really, any goes when Eddie died and it didnt reset everything.

I think the only reason they didnt reset everything was because the whole season would have been down the drain. Plus, it would require resetting Arrow from when Barry showed up on the show. Then in season 2 it would have to start another origin, although that could have been interesting. Instead of his mother's death being his tragedy he could have grown up normally and married Iris, then Professor Zoom kills Iris like in the comics.

 

[Aikouka]

For instance (on The Flash), a time traveler kills your mother. You get the time traveler's ancestor killed. The time traveler disappears in the same timeline, without changing the timeline. The time traveler's ancestor and your mother are still dead. The time traveler later reappears in the same timeline, even though he's in a timeline he couldn't possibly exist in later, and hasn't traveled back before the point of his reappearance yet.

It makes total sense when you consider that's Eobard Thawne from the past, which is actually the future.

 

[Ken g6]

Really, any goes when Eddie died and it didnt reset everything.

^^^ This is my problem with time travel on the show(s). That and it wasn't a case where he died and nothing happened either.

That's like 12 Monkey (tv, not sure about movie). Early on they gave some bogus explanation for why they couldn't create paradoxes or if they did they wouldn't matter. But there you had someone going back and forth on a regular basis. Also you had most of the world die in the plague so the idea that past actions wouldn't have any affect on the future is more believable.

I've heard the theory that this is actually a case of Theory 1 (the timeline is immutable).

Come to think of it, there is another theory of time travel: You can set up a connection (e.g. a wormhole) between two points in time. This sets up another timeline in the past. But you can travel between the two timelines via the wormhole. (Which makes this a special case of Theory 2, since you're not really time-travelling after the first trip back.)