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Daytona 500 qualifying...

JulesMaximus

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Let me qualify this by saying I haven't watched more than 15 minutes of NASCAR racing in the past 5 years.

Anyway, I hope he wins next Sunday! He was dominant in CART, one of the best in F1 (beating Michael Schumacher on a number of occasions), he's won the Indy 500 and I'd like to see him succeed in NASCAR.

Go Montoya!!! :thumbsup:
 
Yay another Montoya fan.

Did you get the info from the Vortex? We need a Connie pic, stat! 😛

I'll be watching the Daytona 500, only because JPM is in it.
 
I think only the front row was guaranteed (Gilliland and Rudd). The rest of the drivers endure a"mini race" to determine starting positions. I'm pretty sure about this...

I doubt Montoya really ends up starting fourth, but I would like to see it happen. Good for the sport and all that 😉
 
Originally posted by: jmebonner
I think only the front row was guaranteed (Gilliland and Rudd). The rest of the drivers endure a"mini race" to determine starting positions. I'm pretty sure about this...

I doubt Montoya really ends up starting fourth, but I would like to see it happen. Good for the sport and all that 😉
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He had the 4th fastest lap in the qualifying rounds. Why wouldn't he be starting 4th?
 
I've seen a few rookies get top positions during qualifying in the past, only to fall back in the first few laps of the 500.

Being able to run in the draft is the key to winning at Daytona, and the pros like Gordon, Stewart, and Dale Jr. are the best at it. Those are my picks to win.
 
Originally posted by: KLin
Originally posted by: jmebonner
I think only the front row was guaranteed (Gilliland and Rudd). The rest of the drivers endure a"mini race" to determine starting positions. I'm pretty sure about this...

I doubt Montoya really ends up starting fourth, but I would like to see it happen. Good for the sport and all that 😉
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He had the 4th fastest lap in the qualifying rounds. Why wouldn't he be starting 4th?
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Because this race is a different animal than all of the others. There are two mini races, 150 miles each. The finishing position of the first race fills the outside row (even) positions. The finishing position of the second race determines the inside (odd) positions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gatorade_Duel
 
Originally posted by: KLin
Originally posted by: jmebonner
I think only the front row was guaranteed (Gilliland and Rudd). The rest of the drivers endure a"mini race" to determine starting positions. I'm pretty sure about this...

I doubt Montoya really ends up starting fourth, but I would like to see it happen. Good for the sport and all that 😉
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He had the 4th fastest lap in the qualifying rounds. Why wouldn't he be starting 4th?
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The Daytona 500 is different than the other 35 Nascar points races. The two front cars in today's qualifying are guaranteed, RYR 38 and 88. The rest of the qualifiers get to pick their pit stall by speed.

The Gatorade Duels races will set the rest of the 500 field.
 
Originally posted by: jmebonner
Originally posted by: KLin
Originally posted by: jmebonner
I think only the front row was guaranteed (Gilliland and Rudd). The rest of the drivers endure a"mini race" to determine starting positions. I'm pretty sure about this...

I doubt Montoya really ends up starting fourth, but I would like to see it happen. Good for the sport and all that 😉
Click to expand...

He had the 4th fastest lap in the qualifying rounds. Why wouldn't he be starting 4th?
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Because this race is a different animal than all of the others. There are two mini races, 150 miles each. The finishing position of the first race fills the outside row (even) positions. The finishing position of the second race determines the inside (odd) positions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gatorade_Duel
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Except for the first two spots that were determined in qualifying. Those are locked in.

 
Originally posted by: CFster
Originally posted by: jmebonner
Originally posted by: KLin
Originally posted by: jmebonner
I think only the front row was guaranteed (Gilliland and Rudd). The rest of the drivers endure a"mini race" to determine starting positions. I'm pretty sure about this...

I doubt Montoya really ends up starting fourth, but I would like to see it happen. Good for the sport and all that 😉
Click to expand...

He had the 4th fastest lap in the qualifying rounds. Why wouldn't he be starting 4th?
Click to expand...


Because this race is a different animal than all of the others. There are two mini races, 150 miles each. The finishing position of the first race fills the outside row (even) positions. The finishing position of the second race determines the inside (odd) positions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gatorade_Duel
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Except for the first two spots that were determined in qualifying. Those are locked in.
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Yeah, that was in my original post... 🙂
 
Originally posted by: ultimatebob
I've seen a few rookies get top positions during qualifying in the past, only to fall back in the first few laps of the 500.

Being able to run in the draft is the key to winning at Daytona, and the pros like Gordon, Stewart, and Dale Jr. are the best at it. Those are my picks to win.
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I wouldn't exactly say Juan Pablo Montoya is a rookie...yeah, technically speaking he's a rookie in NASCAR but in racing experience he's got more than anyone else in the field.

Ever seen what the draft can do in F1? Tell me he doesn't know about draft or running wheel to wheel with another driver and I'll tell you that you're an idiot.
 
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: ultimatebob
I've seen a few rookies get top positions during qualifying in the past, only to fall back in the first few laps of the 500.

Being able to run in the draft is the key to winning at Daytona, and the pros like Gordon, Stewart, and Dale Jr. are the best at it. Those are my picks to win.
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I wouldn't exactly say Juan Pablo Montoya is a rookie...yeah, technically speaking he's a rookie in NASCAR but in racing experience he's got more than anyone else in the field.

Ever seen what the draft can do in F1? Tell me he doesn't know about draft or running wheel to wheel with another driver and I'll tell you that you're an idiot.
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Montoya is a great driver, but NASCAR stock cars are a hell of a lot different aerodynamically than an F1 car. I'm sure that he'll get good at it quickly, but don't expect a top 5 finish in the first cup race of the season.
 
It's not up to driver skill at Daytona. It's up to how good that restrictor plate motor is and who your friends are in the pack.

We'll see how good JPM is at Darlington.



 
Originally posted by: jmebonner
Originally posted by: pyonir
The title of this thread would work for anything associated with nascar.
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You could have also made that the context of your post and saved me the trouble of clicking it. :roll:
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That would have defeated the purpose of my post, as the purpose of my post was to make you click that.
 
Originally posted by: pyonir
Originally posted by: jmebonner
Originally posted by: pyonir
The title of this thread would work for anything associated with nascar.
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You could have also made that the context of your post and saved me the trouble of clicking it. :roll:
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That would have defeated the purpose of my post, as the purpose of my post was to make you click that.
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Ok, I'll admit it was kind of exciting to click your link. But not NEEAAARRRLLLYY as exciting as Nascar. 😉
 
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: ultimatebob
I've seen a few rookies get top positions during qualifying in the past, only to fall back in the first few laps of the 500.

Being able to run in the draft is the key to winning at Daytona, and the pros like Gordon, Stewart, and Dale Jr. are the best at it. Those are my picks to win.
Click to expand...

I wouldn't exactly say Juan Pablo Montoya is a rookie...yeah, technically speaking he's a rookie in NASCAR but in racing experience he's got more than anyone else in the field.

Ever seen what the draft can do in F1? Tell me he doesn't know about draft or running wheel to wheel with another driver and I'll tell you that you're an idiot.
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I'm sure Montoya well do alright, he isn't driving for one of the better teams, but saying he has more experience then everybody else in the field is naive. Lots of the drivers in Nascar run in other series aswell and no not all of them are circle tracks. He is just the only one out there thats been in F1.
 
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: ultimatebob
I've seen a few rookies get top positions during qualifying in the past, only to fall back in the first few laps of the 500.

Being able to run in the draft is the key to winning at Daytona, and the pros like Gordon, Stewart, and Dale Jr. are the best at it. Those are my picks to win.
Click to expand...

I wouldn't exactly say Juan Pablo Montoya is a rookie...yeah, technically speaking he's a rookie in NASCAR but in racing experience he's got more than anyone else in the field.

Ever seen what the draft can do in F1? Tell me he doesn't know about draft or running wheel to wheel with another driver and I'll tell you that you're an idiot.
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Well to fair JPM has admitted that its a different game in Nascar. The way the drivers draft and touch cars is not what he's used to, as well as the whole bump-draft thing that seems to be common.

Drafting in F1 (which now - only works if you a certain distance AWAY from the car otherwise you lose downforce if you get too close <as well as reduce cooling to the engine>) is much different.

But Montoya is versatile. He'll do well cause he's a racer. Indy 500, Rolex 24, handful of F1 wins and tons of poles, and now Daytona 500. Hopefully no one will run into him and cause him to erupt in a ball of flames (which happened in his first Nextel Cup race).
 
Originally posted by: CFster
He also has a bunch of oval wins in CART indy cars on different size tracks as well as a championship.
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He won the CART championship in his rookie year, has 7 wins in Formula One including the Monaco Grand Prix and he won the Indy 500 on his first attempt...He dominated it in fact. I think he'll do well in NASCAR. I may actually watch the Daytona 500 next Sunday.
 
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: CFster
He also has a bunch of oval wins in CART indy cars on different size tracks as well as a championship.
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He won the CART championship in his rookie year, has 7 wins in Formula One including the Monaco Grand Prix and he won the Indy 500 on his first attempt...He dominated it in fact. I think he'll do well in NASCAR. I may actually watch the Daytona 500 next Sunday.
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Which brings up another interesting point - drivers from european series typically kick ass when they come over here. The level of competition in european feeder series such as F3, F2 and touring cars is fierce. P

 
To compare F1 racing to NASCAR cup racing is apples to oranges for the most part. I'm not saying that Montoya can't be successful at it (eventually) but I'd very surprised if he does well in the Daytona 500. Unless you're used to bump drafting and trading paint at 200mph, you're going to have a tough time. F1 racing is very demanding but you just don't have the constant car-to-car contact that you do with NASCAR. Also keep in mind that NASCAR is a league where newcomers are not going to get the respect and help they need. Without a good drafting partner, you're in big trouble at Daytona.

I hope he does well because I think it's good for the sport but I wouldn't expect too much from him, despite the nice qualifying speed. It's one thing to turn that lap when you're the only car on the track but to do it for 500 miles with 42 other stock cars is another.

Edit: I actually think he'll do better at tracks like Daytona than the smaller tracks like Bristol, Martinsville, Darlington, etc. where drivers beat/bang on other drivers throughout the entire race. That's where you're more likely to see the inexperience in stock cars become evident.
 
Originally posted by: 49erinnc
To compare F1 racing to NASCAR cup racing is apples to oranges for the most part. I'm not saying that Montoya can't be successful at it (eventually) but I'd very surprised if he does well in the Daytona 500. Unless you're used to bump drafting and trading paint at 200mph, you're going to have a tough time. F1 racing is very demanding but you just don't have the constant car-to-car contact that you do with NASCAR. Also keep in mind that NASCAR is a league where newcomers are not going to get the respect and help they need. Without a good drafting partner, you're in big trouble at Daytona.

I hope he does well because I think it's good for the sport but I wouldn't expect too much from him, despite the nice qualifying speed. It's one thing to turn that lap when you're the only car on the track but to do it for 500 miles with 42 other stock cars is another.

Edit: I actually think he'll do better at tracks like Daytona than the smaller tracks like Bristol, Martinsville, Darlington, etc. where drivers beat/bang on other drivers throughout the entire race. That's where you're more likely to see the inexperience in stock cars become evident.
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I'd be surprised if he finished out of the top 10 next week. If he's running at the end I think he'll be in the top 10.
 
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