David Brooks: The Republicans Incompetence

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full article: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/13/opinion/the-republicans-incompetence-caucus.html?_r=1

The House Republican caucus is close to ungovernable these days. How did this situation come about?

This was not just the work of the Freedom Caucus or Ted Cruz or one month’s activity. The Republican Party’s capacity for effective self-governance degraded slowly, over the course of a long chain of rhetorical excesses, mental corruptions and philosophical betrayals. Basically, the party abandoned traditional conservatism for right-wing radicalism. Republicans came to see themselves as insurgents and revolutionaries, and every revolution tends toward anarchy and ends up devouring its own.

By traditional definitions, conservatism stands for intellectual humility, a belief in steady, incremental change, a preference for reform rather than revolution, a respect for hierarchy, precedence, balance and order, and a tone of voice that is prudent, measured and responsible. Conservatives of this disposition can be dull, but they know how to nurture and run institutions. They also see the nation as one organic whole. Citizens may fall into different classes and political factions, but they are still joined by chains of affection that command ultimate loyalty and love.

All of this has been overturned in dangerous parts of the Republican Party. Over the past 30 years, or at least since Rush Limbaugh came on the scene, the Republican rhetorical tone has grown ever more bombastic, hyperbolic and imbalanced. Public figures are prisoners of their own prose styles, and Republicans from Newt Gingrich through Ben Carson have become addicted to a crisis mentality. Civilization was always on the brink of collapse. Every setback, like the passage of Obamacare, became the ruination of the republic. Comparisons to Nazi Germany became a staple.

This produced a radical mind-set. Conservatives started talking about the Reagan “revolution,” the Gingrich “revolution.” Among people too ill educated to understand the different spheres, political practitioners adopted the mental habits of the entrepreneur. Everything had to be transformational and disruptive. Hierarchy and authority were equated with injustice. Self-expression became more valued than self-restraint and coalition building. A contempt for politics infested the Republican mind.

Politics is the process of making decisions amid diverse opinions. It involves conversation, calm deliberation, self-discipline, the capacity to listen to other points of view and balance valid but competing ideas and interests.

But this new Republican faction regards the messy business of politics as soiled and impure. Compromise is corruption. Inconvenient facts are ignored. Countrymen with different views are regarded as aliens. Political identity became a sort of ethnic identity, and any compromise was regarded as a blood betrayal.

A weird contradictory mentality replaced traditional conservatism. Republican radicals have contempt for politics, but they still believe that transformational political change can rescue the nation. Republicans developed a contempt for Washington and government, but they elected leaders who made the most lavish promises imaginable. Government would be reduced by a quarter! Shutdowns would happen! The nation would be saved by transformational change! As Steven Bilakovics writes in his book “Democracy Without Politics,” “even as we expect ever less of democracy we apparently expect ever more from democracy.”

This anti-political political ethos produced elected leaders of jaw-dropping incompetence. Running a government is a craft, like carpentry. But the new Republican officials did not believe in government and so did not respect its traditions, its disciplines and its craftsmanship. They do not accept the hierarchical structures of authority inherent in political activity.

In his masterwork, “Politics as a Vocation,” Max Weber argues that the pre-eminent qualities for a politician are passion, a feeling of responsibility and a sense of proportion. A politician needs warm passion to impel action but a cool sense of responsibility and proportion to make careful decisions in a complex landscape.

If a politician lacks the quality of detachment — the ability to let the difficult facts of reality work their way into the mind — then, Weber argues, the politician ends up striving for the “boastful but entirely empty gesture.” His work “leads nowhere and is senseless.”

Welcome to Ted Cruz, Donald Trump and the Freedom Caucus.

Really, have we ever seen bumbling on this scale, people at once so cynical and so naïve, so willfully ignorant in using levers of power to produce some tangible if incremental good? These insurgents can’t even acknowledge democracy’s legitimacy — if you can’t persuade a majority of your colleagues, maybe you should accept their position. You might be wrong!

People who don’t accept democracy will be bad at conversation. They won’t respect tradition, institutions or precedent. These figures are masters at destruction but incompetent at construction.

These insurgents are incompetent at governing and unwilling to be governed. But they are not a spontaneous growth. It took a thousand small betrayals of conservatism to get to the dysfunction we see all around.

Always had respect for the guy since I've been watching him on Shields and Brooks on PBS for years.

But it's amazing to see him discredit the crazies that we see so often in our lives and sometimes on this forum.
 
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He can thank many of his media buddies for failing to call out the growing crazy in the Republican party with their "both sides" reporting. They're even still largely refusing to, this Speaker fiasco is a full on crisis but it's being treated as something much less severe, with somehow Democrats surely being just as bad and probably the ones really at fault in all this, because beltway centrism.
 

brycejones

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Brooks is a RINO and not a real conservative. He is a traitor who probably has sex with Hillary Clinton. He so far to the left Mao's little red book is his bible.

Or something along those lines.
 

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The US is suffering from a psychosis. Conservative thinking breeds fear which breeds more fear and down the toilet we go. Fearful people can't reason. It used to be a good thing that we had nothing to fear but fear itself because people had courage, but now we have a lot of fear and therefore much to fear. Fear creates hate so the fear bringers bring their own remedy to the mix. Their fear will cause them to turn on themselves.
 

Indus

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Brooks is a RINO and not a real conservative. He is a traitor who probably has sex with Hillary Clinton. He so far to the left Mao's little red book is his bible.

Or something along those lines.

ROFLMAO, his point is shown exactly by your post's sarcasm.

Even Reagan was a RINO by your their definition.. he gave amnesty to 3 million illegal aliens who turned around and brought their families here and when the families grew up, the children brought more people from overseas by marriage and their relatives and now we're at a demographic moment where the Conservatives are outnumbered in both popular and electoral votes.

The only reason they're still in power is gerrymandering but how far will that get you them? Still an ungovernable situation.
 
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shira

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ROFLMAO, his point is shown exactly by your post.

Even Reagan was a RINO by your definition.. he gave amnesty to 3 million illegal aliens who turned around and brought their families here and when the families grew up, the children brought more people from overseas by marriage and their relatives and now we're at a demographic moment where the Conservatives are outnumbered in both popular and electoral votes. The only reason they're still in power is gerrymandering but how far will that get you? Still an ungovernable situation.
I think there may have been a wee bit of sarcasm in that previous post that got overlooked.
 

Newell Steamer

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Tsk, tsk, tsk OP.

This is P&N. Where pointing out the faults of the Republicans / Conservatives is a CLEAR indication that you are wrong. Since you have to prove that 'your side' is better.

Why do you need validation?

Why do you have to put down the opposition?

Oh yeah, it's just an opinion. Oh yeah, it's just the liberal rag the NY Times. Oh yeah, there isn't really a definition of the word wrong - but, you are wrong in trying to identify what is wrong with conservatives.
 

Indus

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I think there may have been a wee bit of sarcasm in that previous post that got overlooked.

Ah ok, I'll edit it then from a sarcastic point of view

Tsk, tsk, tsk OP.

This is P&N. Where pointing out the faults of the Republicans / Conservatives is a CLEAR indication that you are wrong. Since you have to prove that 'your side' is better.

Why do you need validation?

Why do you have to put down the opposition?

Oh yeah, it's just an opinion. Oh yeah, it's just the liberal rag the NY Times. Oh yeah, there isn't really a definition of the word wrong - but, you are wrong in trying to identify what is wrong with conservatives.

I never found the NY Times liberal. I know this because I actually read the paper often before the world wide web took over. I used to like it over the NY Post/ Daily News. If anything was liberal it was more like the Village Voice.
 

Newell Steamer

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I never found the NY Times liberal. I know this because I actually read the paper often before the world wide web took over. I used to like it over the NY Post/ Daily News. If anything was liberal it was more like the Village Voice.

Yeah, well... Benghazi.

Oh, and e-mails.

:colbert:
 

Jhhnn

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Brooks is a RINO and not a real conservative. He is a traitor who probably has sex with Hillary Clinton. He so far to the left Mao's little red book is his bible.

Or something along those lines.

Yeh- too bad the Teahadis can't threaten to primary him out, huh?

He's right, of course. Repubs have radicalized their base for decades not realizing they were playing with fire. They even gerrymandered them into super safe red districts thinking that the party would always be able to placate their insane desires & those of their far right billionaire backers.

Bad mistake.
 

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BoberFett

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Let's not bother addressing the topic of the thread, let's just take a big ol' off-topic shit in it while attacking a few posters individually.

If anyone is wondering, this kind of shit is how the Republicans got here in the first place.

:rolleyes:

This is the same thread that gets posted daily here. There's nothing to discuss, it's a Democrat circle jerk.
 

bozack

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I'm sorry, do you not know who wrote the OP's article?

better question is does anyone care who wrote the article....

both parties are highly polarized at this point, so to suggest one is any worse than the other is pretty laughable.
 

brycejones

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I'm sorry, do you not know who wrote the OP's article?

The linked article is significantly above Boober's reading level. Plus it would require thought to post something other than "liberuls blah blah blah."
 
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Jhhnn

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better question is does anyone care who wrote the article....

both parties are highly polarized at this point, so to suggest one is any worse than the other is pretty laughable.

And now, the inevitable all purpose dodge into denial- They're just as Bad!

The Freedom Caucus is an extreme minority with huge financial support-

http://www.rollingstone.com/politic...ng-rebels-who-overthrew-john-boehner-20151006

This is what they demand from a Speaker candidate they'll support-

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2...ouse-of-representatives-is-in-complete-chaos/

Repubs have brought this on themselves but don't have the nuts to stand up & deal with it. They're cowards, scared shitless of being primaried out.
 

bozack

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And now, the inevitable all purpose dodge into denial- They're just as Bad!

The Freedom Caucus is an extreme minority with huge financial support-

http://www.rollingstone.com/politic...ng-rebels-who-overthrew-john-boehner-20151006

This is what they demand from a Speaker candidate they'll support-

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2...ouse-of-representatives-is-in-complete-chaos/

Repubs have brought this on themselves but don't have the nuts to stand up & deal with it. They're cowards, scared shitless of being primaried out.

if anyone else posted this I might actually bother to read it