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Dave Schomer you better run to the hills they are coming for you

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Sailors Used U.S. Plastic in Brothel
Mon Oct 7, 7:29 PM ET
By LARRY MARGASAK, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - Navy personnel used government credit cards to hire prostitutes at brothels, buy jewelry, gamble and attend New York Yankees and Los Angeles Lakers games in fraudulent purchases exceeding $200,000, congressional investigators have found.

Lower-paid enlisted personnel earning between $12,000 and $27,000 were the biggest abusers but the Navy itself bears responsibility for failure to monitor the travel card program, the General Accounting Office (news - web sites) concluded.

The GAO report was prepared for a House hearing on Tuesday and obtained Monday by The Associated Press.

The study shows the abuses continued many months after the investigators first publicly reported on problems with the travel cards. From October 2000 through March 2002, the new survey found 1,180 Navy transactions for personal items totaling $206,700.

The Pentagon (news - web sites) has stepped up its efforts to control use of the cards. Some 400,000 inactive accounts that were unused during the previous year have been canceled. Those who abused the cards have had money involuntarily deducted from their paychecks.

Officials who grant security clearances now are notified when a card holder comes under investigation. And the military has promised to step up civil and criminal prosecutions.

Last summer, the GAO found that some 200 Army personnel had used the cards to get $38,000 in cash that they spent on lap dances and other forms of entertainment at strip clubs near military bases.

The new Navy study found additional use of the cards to obtain cash at adult clubs ? money normally used to tip dancers, waitresses and bartenders.

"Once again the bottom line is the same: no controls, extensive abuse and no accountability," said Sen. Charles Grassley (news, bio, voting record), R-Iowa, one of the recipients of the GAO study along with Rep. Stephen Horn, R-Calif.

Grassley, referring to the use of credit cards in two legal Nevada brothels, added, "This time around there was a new twist. The GAO found abuse taken to new depths."

The brothel payments were disguised as restaurant and dining bar charges.

In testimony prepared for a House Government Reform subcommittee chaired by Horn, GAO officials Gregory Kutz and John Ryan sharply criticized the Navy's lack of scrutiny.

"The Navy's practice of authorizing a travel card to be issued to virtually anyone who asked for it compounded an already existing problem by giving those with a history of bad financial management additional credit," said the officials.

During the fiscal year that began Oct. 1, 2000, the Navy had about $510 million in travel card charges and about 395,000 individually billed travel card accounts.

The Pentagon's credit card program has faced increasing scrutiny since 2001, when auditors disclosed that more than 46,000 Defense Department employees had defaulted on $62 million in official travel expenses charged to the government cards.

After the Pentagon began docking the pay of soldiers and defense workers with unpaid credit card debts last year, the average bad debt write-off dropped from $1.7 million a month to $300,000 a month.

The Navy report said there were 80 transactions totaling $13,250 at the two Nevada brothels; 199 purchases for $20,800 at two jewelry stores; 247 transactions totaling $28,700 at three adult clubs; 80 gambling transactions for $34,250; 72 cruises for $38,300; and 502 purchases of tickets, worth $71,400, to entertainment events, including "The Phantom of the Opera," Yankees and Atlanta Braves baseball games and Lakers basketball games.

The Navy's delinquency rate from the cards fluctuated from 10 percent to 18 percent, about 6 percent higher than for federal civilian agencies, the report said. As of March 31 this year, more than Navy 8,400 cardholders had $6 million in delinquent debt, the report said.

The GAO said some personnel holding security clearances had difficulty paying their travel bills and could be security risks because of their financial situations. Despite this, Navy security officials were unaware of these financial problems and could not consider their potential effects in determining whether to grant a security clearance.

 
Okay...so they're using USG credit cards to buy crap and hookers? As long as they pay for it or dock it outta the paychecks, i really don't see the harm.
 
This is old news for some of us. It now takes an act of Congress to get a card and all transactions are gone over with a fine toothed comb. (At least in the Army.)

They froze my credit card and did an investigation when I withdrew $20 from a casino cash machine at 0100 and used it to pay for the hotel room right next to the casino. The closed the case when they realized that that hotel and that cash machine were the only hotel and cash machine available at that time of the night within a 50 mile radius.
 
Yea the air force is hard core about that as well. you get caught abusing your amex for ANYTHING you are loosing stripes, end of story. They audit eveything.
 
Originally posted by: PsychoAndy
Okay...so they're using USG credit cards to buy crap and hookers? As long as they pay for it or dock it outta the paychecks, i really don't see the harm.

seriously its not like the gov't is fitting the bill they are paying it themselves

IMO we are much better going after people in the house and senate who live off the government perks
 
Originally posted by: mchammer187
seriously its not like the gov't is fitting the bill they are paying it themselves

IMO we are much better going after people in the house and senate who live off the government perks
 
From October 2000 through March 2002, the new survey found 1,180 Navy transactions for personal items totaling $206,700.

I'm more amazed that the figure is that low than anything. For such a huge organization to have that small an amount of fraudulent travel expense report items is pretty amazing, IMHO. There's probably a lower level that you'd find at the average private company with 100 employees.
 
Originally posted by: glenn1
From October 2000 through March 2002, the new survey found 1,180 Navy transactions for personal items totaling $206,700.

I'm more amazed that the figure is that low than anything. For such a huge organization to have that small an amount of fraudulent travel expense report items is pretty amazing, IMHO. There's probably a lower level that you'd find at the average private company with 100 employees.
Yeah, the Army got in trouble a while back. Can't remember for how much though. Knew of a couple of soldiers who got in trouble too.

Heh, they literally ordered me to carry one of those cards for about four years. Locked the thing up and never used it. Cancelled it the day I retired and cut it up.
 
I recently read another article discussing credit card use in the military. I'm not sure how accurate the information is but if you believe the article, some military personnel are being forced to take out loans to pay for legitimate charges because the government was slow to reimburse:

The GAO found "substantial" delays in reimbursements; in one command unit, for example, the California National Guard failed to pay its personnel within a month 61 percent of the time, and of those payments, 42 percent were inaccurate.

Check it out here.

 
I'm more amazed that the figure is that low than anything. For such a huge organization to have that small an amount of fraudulent travel expense report items is pretty amazing, IMHO. There's probably a lower level that you'd find at the average private company with 100 employees.

No kidding!

<--- kicks $50 bar tab receipt on company credit card under the desk 😱
 
We have had training, e-mail, official messages and threats ad nauseum on this issue and still people continue to be stupid. You are not allowed to purchase anything that does not have to do with official travel. Even though I am a Sailor this does not include hookers or lap dances. I have seen people buy PC's, groceries, Christmas presents, etc. with these things. How stupid can you be? On a side note I believe that the delinquency stats are skewed because in a lot of cases the travel claim is not liquidated before the bill becomes past due. I also believe that the Navy gets charged a "per use fee" for these cards" so the attitude of "who cares as long as it gets paid" is void.

This isn't strictly a military problem either. The county goverment here (Shelby County, TN) just confiscated all their employees credit cards for the same sort of abuses. The difference being that the employees here actually expected the gov't to pay for their charges (aka hookers and lap dances).
 
Originally posted by: uncJIGGA
Hookers take plastic? 😕

Geez, step away from the computer and get out to the seedier part of town. Of course they take plastic. And they don't even charge you extra to cover credit card fees. 😉
 
Cool, I'd rather them use it than the crooks we have working for the Government or our corrupt politicians in Washington.
 
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