Dartmouth Charges 64 Students with Cheating in Ethics Class

[pcgeek11]

I agree. The youth of today have fewer ethics than at any time that I can remember. You always have some cheaters, but these days it seems to be rampant.

It is ironic when they cheat their way through school and find out that they are the ones that got cheated. No education and an ass load of debt to go with it.

 

[Dari]

At the end of the day, does it even matter?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Of course it doesn't matter as most Dartmouth grads will have basket weaving or political science degrees.

 

[unokitty]

Why is a school that charges $47k/year in tuition using clicker exams? For that money, students should be getting a more rigorous experience. Seems unethical.

That would have made a great question as well.

After all, how ethical is it for a school with $47K annual tuition to put 300+ students into a single lecture?

Don't even want to ask what the ethics textbook cost...

Uno

 

[Anubis]

Boston Globe


NYMag


Three questions.

Do you agree with the Professor that "honor no longer is something that has a lot of resonance in society?"

Would you, or have you, done something similar to cover for another student while you were in college?

Did they even have ethics classes while you were in college?

Uno

1) umm yes simply open your eyes Honor is dead has been for a while
2) cover for people, no, all i ever did was take peoples work over and drop it off if they had conflicts or something, just tossed it in the inbox or whatrever, F cheaters
3) no i dont even know if we had them. Business majors might have but im not sure

 

[DrPizza]

I took a final exam for a friend. I considered it morally and ethically right. Typing class in high school... friend could type well enough to pass the final exam. (30 words per minute with 5 or fewer errors was passing.) Friend broke his right hand a week before the final. Teacher was unwilling to make any accommodation - even though a couple weeks earlier, he was typing fast enough, if he didn't get 30 wpm that day, he failed. There were two tries on the final. After the first run (already clinched my 100) I grabbed his paper from him and put it in my typewriter. He passed.

I don't think I'll ever feel bad about that - I still don't see it as being wrong. But, what these Dartmouth students did is certainly wrong.

 

[Phokus]

Ivy leagues have a huge problem with their student makeup these days. Many Ivy league students are legacy students - sons and daughters of the wealthy who were alums of the same schools and they probably didn't put a whole lot of emphasis on ethics when they were growing up.

 

[Blanky]

Honor has resonance in movies, but becomes very gray in real life. I don't believe people used to be super honorable like the professor alludes to. It is one of those narratives where the person paints the previous decades as being somehow better socially than the present day. Cheating has been around in schools since the first exam was ever given.

FACT

 

[hal2kilo]

Ethics what's that. You'd be amazed at how many senior officers in the Navy have been caught doing petty thefts (EX O stole a watch out of a security bucket while going through the TSA line), cheating on Nuclear Weapons tests, cheating at casinos, ect.

Lack of any moral character seems to be a common disease these days and does not bode well for democracy which depends on their citizens to have some sense of moral compass.

 

[CZroe]

Cartmenez: How do I reach these keeeeeeedz?!

 

[Victorian Gray]

Of course it doesn't matter as most Dartmouth grads will have basket weaving or political science degrees.

Funny how a university that, according to you, specializes in basket weaving manages to be ranked as one of the better undergraduate universities in the world.

 

[pcgeek11]

Funny how a university that, according to you, specializes in basket weaving manages to be ranked as one of the better undergraduate universities in the world.

They probably cheated.

 

[brianmanahan]

i never copied anyone else's test answers...

... but i did program calculus equations into my ti-86 :whiste:

 

[Matthiasa]

It would almost mean something if such things weren't actively encouraged in business.

 

[Subyman]

i never copied anyone else's test answers...

... but i did program calculus equations into my ti-86 :whiste:

Lol, I remember I had a calculator that solved basic differential equations. Was great for making sure I came to the right answer. Without showing the work it was useless though.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Cheating is pervasive at every college, especially with the number of websites where you can pay to find old exams for nearly any class. Funny thing is that there are a lot of ATOTers that don't consider old exams to be cheating (beyond any practice exams the professor already provides, of course).

 

[werepossum]

Why is a school that charges $47k/year in tuition using clicker exams? For that money, students should be getting a more rigorous experience. Seems unethical.

Holy crap, $47K/year and they are using clickers? (I'm much more outraged now that I actually know what clickers are.) Dartmouth must be one of those awful for-profit schools about which Eskimospy is always nattering on.

All reality is gray. Gray does not mean that it is nonexistent or that it is inconsequential bullshit.

SNIP

Well said, sir. Though I agree with the professor that honor used to be more prevalent but is now outdated. I can remember there was (and probably still is) an organization that for decades had tracked the honor of American high school students, and in the early nineties for the first time the most popular answer to "I should not steal because" was "I might get caught."

In my day at a much less prestigious university cheating was an automatic expulsion; these students "could face suspension or other disciplinary action".

Wall St. firm: Your resume says you failed your ethics class. Do you know how many applicants we get in here claiming to have failed ethics but are not as unethical as they claim? Tell us: What makes you less ethical than all the other unethical people out there?

Applicant: I cheated in ethics class.

Wall St. firm: When can you start?

lol +1

Though I agree with Double Trouble: Screw Wall Street, these kids are ready for Congress.

EDIT: To answer Uno's questions:
Yes, I agree.
No, I did not and would not. Although I did let my girlfriend more or less copy my homework, I did 95% of the work. (In my defense, she measured 40-22-34; no way is that considered cheating.)
Yes, engineering ethics.

 

[glenn1]

It would almost mean something if such things weren't actively encouraged in business.

Yeah, I'd rather have my staff spending a couple hours each taking a canned online "ethics" class whose material hasn't changed in the last 7 years and 90% of which doesn't even apply to them. Great use of company time. Typical test question follows.

Which of the following is not a feature of the Incredibly Stupid Waste of Time Act of 2003?

1. Customers need to be sent 56 different disclosure forms, none of which they'll read
2. Any business expense over $2 must be pre-approved by the Pope
3. Client records must explosively self-destruct before reading
4. The guy who steals your lunch from the breakroom fridge can legally be poisoned

 

[norseamd]

Yeah, I'd rather have my staff spending a couple hours each taking a canned online "ethics" class whose material hasn't changed in the last 7 years and 90% of which doesn't even apply to them. Great use of company time. Typical test question follows.

Which of the following is not a feature of the Incredibly Stupid Waste of Time Act of 2003?

1. Customers need to be sent 56 different disclosure forms, none of which they'll read
2. Any business expense over $2 must be pre-approved by the Pope
3. Client records must explosively self-destruct before reading
4. The guy who steals your lunch from the breakroom fridge can legally be poisoned

See how glenn knows the truth on this problem by the way he mentions the government as all problems?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRT62J80iyI