Darfur peace deal

[firewall]

How do you view the Darfur peace deal? It has had quite a bit of exposure on the media.

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Do you support it? If not, why?

Should the US interfere in Sudan and to what extent?

 

[dainthomas]

There's no way we'll do anything, since there's no oil.

 

[firewall]

Maybe. But I am still curious over how the west will respond. This is essentilly a genocide. Any attempt to not help them, logically leads to questions over differences in treatement of genocide of particular races and ignoring others. Furthermore, there have been protests all over the US a day or two ago. I saw one on the news outside the White House. So, some people are certainly concerned over it and I don't blame them. This would at least serve some useful purpose instead of what the US forces are doing in Iraq but that is strictly my own opinion.

 

[chcarnage]

I salute the US effort to support the negotiations. The Darfur crisis is in bitter need of an intervention from the outside, otherwise the present situation won't change because there's no military opponent of Sudan's government and the Janjawid militia.

Europe and North America so far have been way to passive to seriously influence Sudan. China follows its oil interests in the Region and is responsible for a money and arms flow into Africa. Recently Chinese Kalashnikows diffused into rebel movements and were used by them, too.

The forces of the African Union only have observer status in the Darfur region and therefor are useless. My personal opinion is that the AU is also good for nothing on the diplomatic level, given how they recently dealt with Zimbabwe's and Sudan's government.

The only actors left with both power and some kind of interest to end the massacres in Darfur are Europe and US/Canada, that's it. From a military perspective, an intervention would have to deal mostly with small arms and unexperienced enemies, but the region is big and surprises always can happen. I don't think that Sudan will do anything before US/Europe believably treat to hurt its souvereignity with an invasion of Darfur...

 

[CanOWorms]

This really is a situation for Europe, Canada, and others to step up in these types of situations while the US is involved in its current adventures. Too bad the EU doesn't consider a genocide of undesirables to be truly a genocide. Italy is the only major European country to provide food aid to Darfur. They provided a pitiful $1.2 million compared to the US's $188 million. It's hilarious that people can actually think that Europe actually cares.

And if Europe does indeed come in, does the world really need that? With Europe's genocidal history in Africa in consideration, that might be a bad move. It was only in the last decade that France organized and acted in the Rwandan genocide. Maybe they're involved in the Darfur genocide. France also has significant oil interests in Sudan.

It seems to me that Bush and his administration has been working on this for a while. They've declared it to be a genocide despite opposition from the UN, EU, AU, etc. They've provided a lot of aid. They are routinely in diplomatic negotiations over the issue for years. There's not a whole lot left to do.

 

[judasmachine]

I just cannot believe it takes four years to decide it is in fact genocide.

 

[walkur]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Italy is the only major European country to provide food aid to Darfur. They provided a pitiful $1.2 million compared to the US's $188 million. It's hilarious that people can actually think that Europe actually cares.

I don't know where you get your figure's from, but I suggest you try and search a bit more...

After 1 google search I already find that the Dutch goverment has provided at least 20 million for aid in Darfur and 13 million to aid the African Union in Darfur, and that's with the 1st 5 search results.

I other words, shut your ....

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: walkur

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Italy is the only major European country to provide food aid to Darfur. They provided a pitiful $1.2 million compared to the US's $188 million. It's hilarious that people can actually think that Europe actually cares.

I don't know where you get your figure's from, but I suggest you try and search a bit more...

After 1 google search I already find that the Dutch goverment has provided at least 20 million for aid in Darfur and 13 million to aid the African Union in Darfur, and that's with the 1st 5 search results.

I other words, shut your ....

1. the Netherlands is not a major European country
2. food aid

Just doing a Google search I find an article from last year that claims the Dutch provided $2 million for food aid. The US provided $265.5 million.

 

[walkur]

1. the Netherlands is not a major European country
2. food aid

Just doing a Google search I find an article from last year that claims the Dutch provided $2 million for food aid. The US provided $265.5 million.

1. OK, France then.. Article from 2004 quote:France for its part has already provided 25 million euros (also note quote: Taken together, European Union aid (bilateral and community) already amounts to 207 million euros, or nearly double US aid (113 million euros). )

2. Food aid is useless if it can't reach the people, several times food aid had to be stopped due to the fighting.

Oh, and B.t.w not all news is in English...

So again... shut your ....