Dang. Dugard gets $20M from Cali.

highland145

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She was a captive for 17/18 years but because of the parole agents (most likely over worked/underpaid) didn't notice her during the last 10 she gets paid? Granted, horrible what happened to her but I'm not quite seeing $20M from the state.

"Dugard and her daughters, ages 15 and 12, filed claims in February, saying parole agents with the Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation began supervising Garrido in 1999 but didn't discover them."

"It is compensation for three people for the rest of their lives who have been horribly damaged over a period of 17 or 18 years," mediator Daniel Weinstein told The Associated Press.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/07/0...ily-woman-held-captive-years/?test=latestnews
 

xanis

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I understand that the parole agents in CA (like most everywhere else) must be horribly overworked and underpaid, but something like this is a HUGE oversight, and honestly, "our bad" just wouldn't cut it here. The settlement seems reasonable IMO.
 

highland145

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I understand that the parole agents in CA (like most everywhere else) must be horribly overworked and underpaid, but something like this is a HUGE oversight, and honestly, "our bad" just wouldn't cut it here. The settlement seems reasonable IMO.
I'd love to get their side.
 

dullard

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Dang, while reading out of the corner of my eye, I thought I just became rich.
 

herkulease

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they'll just give her an IOU. Like we did last year to with tax refunds.

the state should be happy. they didn't want to go to court. the state really has no excuse. If it was a jury decision they'd probably award even more.
 

dank69

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That's what I was thinking. Curious, with the state being so broke, where do they manage to find 20 million to give her?
Why do you think they lowered state worker's pay to minimum wage?
 

Miramonti

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That's too much, particularly for cash-strapped CA.

I'm happy for her tho, she deserves a good life with her kids.
 
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I really have no problem with this settlement given the horrors Ms. Dugard was subjected to, but as a trial lawyer myself I'm a little stunned by the amount, considering how quickly the case settled in mediation. I am actually licensed in CA, but I've never practiced there, and I can't imagine this case would settle for anywhere near $20M in MN (where I currently practice). At the end of the day every settlement a defendant agrees to is reached as a function of avoiding the risk of greater loss at trial, and I find it hard to envision a jury awarding her a lot more than $20M.
 

AyashiKaibutsu

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(most likely over worked/underpaid)

"I'm tired" isn't a legal defense for criminal neglect (at least I'm pretty sure it's not).

That's almost like trying to use the defense that one was drunk in a manslaughter case.
 
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Lonyo

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I really have no problem with this settlement given the horrors Ms. Dugard was subjected to, but as a trial lawyer myself I'm a little stunned by the amount, considering how quickly the case settled in mediation. I am actually licensed in CA, but I've never practiced there, and I can't imagine this case would settle for anywhere near $20M in MN (where I currently practice). At the end of the day every settlement a defendant agrees to is reached as a function of avoiding the risk of greater loss at trial, and I find it hard to envision a jury awarding her a lot more than $20M.

How much would taking it to court cost? Presumably the state would have to pay the defendants costs as well when she won.
IOW: how much more is $20m than the settlement + court costs if they made it a drawn out process?
 

highland145

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I really have no problem with this settlement given the horrors Ms. Dugard was subjected to, but as a trial lawyer myself I'm a little stunned by the amount, considering how quickly the case settled in mediation. I am actually licensed in CA, but I've never practiced there, and I can't imagine this case would settle for anywhere near $20M in MN (where I currently practice). At the end of the day every settlement a defendant agrees to is reached as a function of avoiding the risk of greater loss at trial, and I find it hard to envision a jury awarding her a lot more than $20M.
The sympathy vote from the jury could be more,maybe?

Let's not forget the hot coffee in the lap bazillion $ payout.
 

highland145

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"I'm tired" isn't a legal defense for criminal neglect (at least I'm pretty sure it's not).

That's almost like trying to use the defense that one was drunk in a manslaughter case.
Was implying some ridiculous work load. 1 officer per 10K parolees.
 

Fingolfin269

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I think the story of her life is awful but there are people out there who have led pretty f'd up lives that never get anything like this. I don't agree with this payout but do agree that she would have made a lot more if it went to trial. So... I guess the $20M is better for the state in the long run?
 

JS80

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Sorry, every single state government worker is under worked and over paid.
 
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How much would taking it to court cost? Presumably the state would have to pay the defendants costs as well when she won.
IOW: how much more is $20m than the settlement + court costs if they made it a drawn out process?

CA seems predisposed to having interminably long trials (e.g., OJ Simpson, a murder trial that took a year), but in the normal course of business this is not a particularly complex case, nor one that should cost an inordinate amount to try. The most analogous case I've handled was a police excessive force case I sued out as plaintiff's counsel. We won (and actually got the largest punitive damages award against a MN police officer in history). Because we sued under federal civil rights law we were entitled to recover our full attorneys' fees and costs, which were just under $460K. I would think defense counsel's fees must have been considerably less, since we were the ones with the burden of proof and had to prepare the entire case, including wrangling witnesses and paying experts. I can't imagine (at least in MN) that the Dugard case would cost much more than that to defend, strictly from a fees/costs perspective. Again, though, CA is wacky when it comes to high-vis trials.

I don't think Dugard would have the right to recover her legal fees, though it would depend how it was sued out (I haven't really pondered what the causes of action would be, but essentially it would be a negligence case). Again, I'm not really up to speed on CA laws, but in MN the parole people who screwed up would likely be entitled to official immunity in this situation. It's generally quite difficult to sue law enforcement, because as a rule they're entitled to immunity unless they've acted in a deliberate manner to interfere with someone's rights or safety.

It's impossible to really say with any confidence what a case like this is worth - the plaintiff's counsel could certainly say, with a straight face, that it's not possible to put a price on suffering of this magnitude. There's almost no limit to what I might ask for in this particular case. Still, $20M is a hell of a lot of money. As it happens my mom was the judge on the case that led to the largest PI jury verdict in MN history - it was a severe closed-head injury where the plaintiff would need full-time care for the rest of his life. As I recall he got $28M or so, but it was largely a function of the fact that the former CEO of the company that manufactured the industrial press his head was smushed by appeared to perjure himself by claiming the company was unaware of any safety problems with the machine - it was later shown that they'd had many such complaints and lawsuits, and he himself had signed memos regarding them. The jury got pissed and hammered them. The point is just that $20M verdicts are VERY rare.
 
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DayLaPaul

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$20m divided by three is $6.6m each victim. I think it's reasonable. That's $444k per year per victim.
 

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i was bothered by this also. what happened to her was bad but not the fault of the taxpayer. there are people who have been wrongly shot by police or wrongly imprisoned who are far more deserving and they dont get money. basically jc dugard was on the cover of people so she gets to live like a queen for the rest of her life. when i see crap like this and cops/firemen making 500k in san francisco it really pisses me off, they arent being careful with taxpayer money

she should have sued her parents for letting her get kidnapped. or sued her boyfriend for kidnapping and knocking her up
 
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i was bothered by this also. what happened to her was bad but not the fault of the taxpayer. there are people who have been wrongly shot by police or wrongly imprisoned who are far more deserving and they dont get money. basically jc dugard was on the cover of people so she gets to live like a queen for the rest of her life. when i see crap like this and cops/firemen making 500k in san francisco it really pisses me off, they arent being careful with taxpayer money

she should have sued her parents for letting her get kidnapped. or sued her boyfriend for kidnapping and knocking her up

I can understand your frustration, but at the end of the day the parole officers completely screwed the pooch here. Had they conducted any kind of reasonable investigation they would have found her. Their backstop is the general fund, and so the State had to pay. I'm not offended by that, nor by the amount (though, as I said above, I'm a little surprised the State agreed to pay so much, so quickly).