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Dana Rohrabacher- Or, why I pity Californians.

Hayabusa Rider

Admin Emeritus & Elite Member
Dana Rohrabacher is a Congressman from CA who was interviewed on the BBC world service the other day. The premise of the segment was about foreign students participating in graduate science programs. There was the Congressman and a professor who's name I did not catch (I came in late in the interview). The issue was national security, and how student visa applications were being slowed down to the point where research was being threatened. The prof said he understood the need for security, but worried that irreparable harm to our country's research may happen if things were pursued to severely. So far so good.

Now for the good stuff.

Rohrbacher said something quite like "With all due respect to the Professor, he is an academic. He thinks graduate students bring something to research, where in reality we offer them something. We should not be educating Chinese students how to build nuclear weapons."

He has a proposal where for the government will pick up the cost of education for American students and permanent residents in exchange for service to a gov. agency. One year of support for 2 years to be precise.

So what's my beef? Ignorant politicians once again trying to screw up education and research.

First, grad students DO bring much to a program. Hell, 90% of research in university settings is done by them. They are the pack animals of research.

Second, science grad students get paid. Not a whopping sum, but enough to get by. To suggest that Americans are not going to grad school because they cannot afford tuition is ridiculous. There is no tuition in most programs, or if there was, it was picked up by the college or university.

Third, this man clearly has no understanding as to how science or science education at the graduate level works, yet he is attempting to shape it.

Fourth, the notion that the Chinese (or anyone else) are sending people here to learn to make nuclear weapons is utter stupidity. Anyone here who is in a graduate level physics program knows there is no "A-Bombs for Dummies" grad course.

Research in the US is in terrible trouble over the next dozen or so years. It is hard work with long hours, and not many can do it. The few who can should not be chased away because of fear tactics of Luddites, regardless of nationality.


 
i want to go to grad school for microbiology, this is something i'm not looking forward to, but hey what can i do?

FIGHT THE SYSTEM! 😀
 
I'm from orange county too, what's interesting is that orange county is a republican stronghold in the middle of strong democratic area. yup, that's my conservative neighborhood.
 
Originally posted by: notfred
Haha, of course he represents Orange County.

Most of California is not Orange County.
Most of CA "neoconservatives" reside in OC and SD county.
 
just by chance, does anyone know about the grad programs in other states? i have family in New York so I wanted to go to NYU, but I don't know how the state treats their grad students... any comments or thoughts would be appreciated.
 
Originally posted by: ChineseSkaterNoRice
just by chance, does anyone know about the grad programs in other states? i have family in New York so I wanted to go to NYU, but I don't know how the state treats their grad students... any comments or thoughts would be appreciated.

It's not how the states treat students, but rather individual schools, programs and labs. You would be OK (for now), but I know about bio grad school. You will work, or you will not get the golden key, AKA the PhD.
 
Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
Originally posted by: ChineseSkaterNoRice
just by chance, does anyone know about the grad programs in other states? i have family in New York so I wanted to go to NYU, but I don't know how the state treats their grad students... any comments or thoughts would be appreciated.

It's not how the states treat students, but rather individual schools, programs and labs. You would be OK (for now), but I know about bio grad school. You will work, or you will not get the golden key, AKA the PhD.

ah, well i figured most states had a program like the UC system which has a particular benefits for grad students. i need to do more research concerning grad schools. 🙂 i'm a microbio major and i'm interested in research and teaching actually. eh, the PhD for now doesn't interest me. i'm thinking med school after i get my masters or being a professional TA and then figuring out my life from there, but thanks for your input.
 
Originally posted by: ChineseSkaterNoRice
Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
Originally posted by: ChineseSkaterNoRice
just by chance, does anyone know about the grad programs in other states? i have family in New York so I wanted to go to NYU, but I don't know how the state treats their grad students... any comments or thoughts would be appreciated.

It's not how the states treat students, but rather individual schools, programs and labs. You would be OK (for now), but I know about bio grad school. You will work, or you will not get the golden key, AKA the PhD.

ah, well i figured most states had a program like the UC system which has a particular benefits for grad students. i need to do more research concerning grad schools. 🙂 i'm a microbio major and i'm interested in research and teaching actually. eh, the PhD for now doesn't interest me. i'm thinking med school after i get my masters or being a professional TA and then figuring out my life from there, but thanks for your input.

You'll work for the masters too 😉 although obviously not for as long. Do check out the various programs, then decide which degree to pursue. The kind of research you do will depend on it.
 
Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
Third, this man clearly has no understanding as to how [some subject] works, yet he is attempting to shape it.
you've just discovered why the gov't sucks.
 
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