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Damned pyramid schemes

dabuddha

Lifer
[rant]

The last few weeks I've had this guy whose been trying to "push" a "unique business opportunity" on to me. He goes on about how he likes not having to work when he doesn't want to and how great his life is but not once has he told me what the business is about. Instead, he invites me to these conventions (which I'm sure aren't free) Normally I'd tell him to buzz off but he was pretty tricky. We became friends before he started bringing up this scheme so I'm finding it difficult to tell him off.
Then on top of that, my wife meet a friend at a store whose been doing the same shit. This stupid girl gave our phone number to 2 other guys who keep calling. We invited the one girl over for a dinner party with friends and family (big mistake) and she brought along this guy who started preaching to us. He went on and on about how he always had a dream about this country to work on his own and blah blah blah. Not once did he ever mention what he does though. At the end, he starts talking about how he takes his kids to McDonalds on Monday morning if they want because he doesn?t have to work. I'm like, wtf are you doing 300 miles from home preaching to strangers if your business is so great ( Of course I didn't say it because I was being polite) My dad went off on him at one point telling him why should he be interested in starting this work when he owns his own business and is retiring next year. Of course the idiot tried to tell him it was a great opportunity to work from home.
The best part is both groups are trying to get me to come to Philly next weekend for some big international convention. I just found that part amusing. The girl even had the gall to tell my wife to quit her job if she has to for this convention!
Does this sort of crap sound like "scamway" to anyone? I'm thinking of just asking these people for the company name so I can look it up. I doubt I'll get it though

[/rant]

Cliff Notes:
[*]People bothering me about a unique business opportunity
[*]They never mention what the business is
[*]They try to get me to come to these conventions

If you know of any other scheming companies, post em!


UPDATE: The moron called me finally (my wife's friend's friend from Jersey) and tried to get me to sign up to change my life forever. I talked to him for over 3 hours telling him how much of a scam quixtar is. I could go into details but it'd just bore you but man it was fun! At the end I told him I can not be associated with a company that has no morals and steals from people and destroys families. After that line, he goes "So what time are we gonna meet on Thursday." LOL

My wife kept telling me to hang up but I figured the only way to get rid of this scum was to waste as much time as possible. Of course, he hasn't called me since. I figure I did a good deed. I kept him from calling other poor victims.
 
Get rich slow schemes are always better than get rich quick...
And yes, I have been propositioned for one of these evasive language schemes... If they don't bother to give me enough info, I can't be bothered to care~
 
RUN the other way as fast as you can. I've known of and seen people who quit their jobs
for this stuff and they think they are flying high for a while but when they run out of gullible
people to recruit their incomes suffer and they have to go out and get a REAL JOB.

The only people who make any money on these deals are the people who start them and they
usually end up going to the FEDERAL PEN for fraud....etc.......
 
Just a week ago I was approached in this same way.


him: -a bunch of BS about how he has his own internet company- "Would you like to learn more?"
me: "Sure what is the name of the company"
him: "it is an internet company, it is on the New Your Stock Exchange, blah, blah,blah"
me: "Great, tell me the name of the company"
him: "It is based out of DC and makes eleventy billion dollars a year, blah,blah,blah"
me: "and the name is........?"
him: "Do you want to come to a meeting?"
me: "name please, I am not going anywhere if you can't tell me the name of the company"
him: "quickstar"
me: "no thanks"
him: " you are missing out on making a lot of money, I guess if you want to WORK for the rest of your life that is your choice"

:roll:

moral:
If they will not tell you the name until you attend the meeting - it is shady.
 
amway, nikken, excel, financal services crap I forget the name, the list goes on. The people never talk about the product only how you only need to get some people working under you and the $$$ will roll in off the street.
 
Originally posted by: rudder
amway, nikken, excel, financal services crap I forget the name, the list goes on. The people never talk about the product only how you only need to get some people working under you and the $$$ will roll in off the street.

Yes you need that residual income.
 
its sad. one of my good friends in college (graduated before me though) tried to get me in on one of these pyramid type deals. he was a smart guy. i was surprised he fell for something like this (an options trader no less too).

of course i havent talked to him in quite some time.....
 
I always use this strategy, when they quote me the amount of money needed for the initial investment, I simply if I can borrow that amount from them. They refuse of course, but when you ask them "Why, if its a sure thing, I will be able to pay you back in a matter of days, plus I'll give you a little more!" Then they usually hang up.
 
Several years back I got singled out by an Amway-er near the end of my vacation work. But she was pretty moderate compared to those in typical pyramid tales. Handed me a bunch of books and tapes. Read some and listened some, sounded like hogwash (brainwash?), then promptly returned them. End of story. I could count myself lucky I suppose.

 
Originally posted by: lightpants
Just a week ago I was approached in this same way.


him: -a bunch of BS about how he has his own internet company- "Would you like to learn more?"
me: "Sure what is the name of the company"
him: "it is an internet company, it is on the New Your Stock Exchange, blah, blah,blah"
me: "Great, tell me the name of the company"
him: "It is based out of DC and makes eleventy billion dollars a year, blah,blah,blah"
me: "and the name is........?"
him: "Do you want to come to a meeting?"
me: "name please, I am not going anywhere if you can't tell me the name of the company"
him: "quickstar"
me: "no thanks"
him: " you are missing out on making a lot of money, I guess if you want to WORK for the rest of your life that is your choice"

:roll:

moral:
If they will not tell you the name until you attend the meeting - it is shady.

I got this one... Quickstar is the Internet arm of Amway. I clued in that it had to be something weird going on when the guy showed me his website, which was pretty slick, so at first I thought he was just a good web design guy. So I asked him what program he used to create the page, and his best answer was, "Oh, they give you templates." I blew him off after that...
 
People like that annoy me. they're too pushy and not respectful of your wishes at all. Plus pyramid schemes suck.
 
i got picked on by a pretty indian girl at fry's woodland hills. Needless to say the poor girl didnt know what hit her. I mean dont come up to me and try selling me your BS, especially when you never mention the name.

The only thing I find these stuff are good for, they enhance / negate your fear of public speaking.

I will admit, i went along one time to the 2by2.net thinge. I knew very well before going it was going to be a scam. However there was free food and I was getting to go with a relatively attractive armenian girl (she invited me and some friends??). I ofcourse knew her for maybe 3-4 weeks that's it.

Anycase, it was quite easy blowing her off.. 🙂

Greed is such a big reason why ppl join these scams.

edit: isnt quickstar a division of amway?
 
Originally posted by: dabuddha
yadda yadda Normally I'd tell him to buzz off but he was pretty tricky. We became friends

Friends? 😕

yadda yadda Then on top of that, my wife meet a friend at a store whose been doing the same shit. This stupid girl gave our phone number to 2 other guys who keep calling. We invited the one girl over for a dinner party with friends and family (big mistake) and she brought along this guy who started preaching to us.

You & your wife should stop being so gullible.

If you're in the US, sign up for protection against telemarketers at www.donotcall.gov, and inform these walking, talking pieces of shi... erm, these "people" that you're no longer interested and that any further calls will be reported to this service.
 
I got approached by clowns like this on two occasions, both at Target. (yeah, yeah, I buy towels and other household goods there) Wandering around some guy looks at me a couple times (I get worried he is about to hit on me) and then he comes over...

Him: Did you go to "enter high school name"?
Me: No.

Him: Really? You look exactly like this guy I went to high school with.
Me: Nope. I moved here five years ago.

Him: Wow, that's crazy. Sorry, my name is Dale.
Me: Hi, I'm David and this is my wife.

[shake hands]

Him: So what brought you out here?
Me: Work.

Him: What do you do?
Me: Paramedic

Him: Cool, that must be interesting.
Me: That's putting it lightly.

Him: I think you guys have extra days off with that job, right?
Me: Four on, three off.

Him: That's great. Hey, here's my card I just moved out here and am doing some work with a Citibank company, we are always looking for new people.
Me: Great, here's my card. (yes, paramedics have cards. We leave them at scenes if nobody is home when we take a patient)

Couple of weeks go by...

He calls and gets really evasive about what it is he does, and what the exact relationship they really have with CitiBank. I call him on his BS and he gets all bent out of shape, game over.

Two years later...

Walking through Target again some other guy tries the SAME LINE ON ME! I think this is something they teach in seminars on how to meet new suckers, so be forewarned.



 
Originally posted by: Gurck
Originally posted by: dabuddha
yadda yadda Normally I'd tell him to buzz off but he was pretty tricky. We became friends

Friends? 😕

yadda yadda Then on top of that, my wife meet a friend at a store whose been doing the same shit. This stupid girl gave our phone number to 2 other guys who keep calling. We invited the one girl over for a dinner party with friends and family (big mistake) and she brought along this guy who started preaching to us.

You & your wife should stop being so gullible.

If you're in the US, sign up for protection against telemarketers at www.donotcall.gov, and inform these walking, talking pieces of shi... erm, these "people" that you're no longer interested and that any further calls will be reported to this service.

It's not a matter of gullibility. We haven't signed up for anything. As far as the friends comment, what I meant is we would always sit and talk with each other on the shuttle bus home from the metro station. Only after a few weeks did he mention the scheme.
 
IGNORE them!

they are no more "your friends" than visiting UNinvited JWs, Mormons or 'born-agains' with a hidden motive) to trap you like they are 'trapped').

A very clear, "NO THANK-YOU!, I am NOT interested" should work . . . if not ESCALATE your DISapproval . . .

if they persist, tell them OFF and to shove their propaganda . . .

being polite to these morons is UNnecessary (if they persist)

Just say NO!

:roll:
 
Originally posted by: apoppin
IGNORE them!

they are no more "your friends" than visiting UNinvited JWs, Mormons or 'born-agains' with a hidden motive) to trap you like they are 'trapped').

A very clear, "NO THANK-YOU!, I am NOT interested" should work . . . if not ESCALATE your DISapproval . . .

if they persist, tell them OFF and to shove their propaganda . . .

being polite to these morons is UNnecessary (if they persist)

Just say NO!

:roll:

Agreed 🙂 Those are almost the exact same words I've been telling my wife. I don't have much a problem with it but my wife is somewhat timid. The other day, the stupid girl called and my wife told her that she doesn't have the time to work on something like this. The girl then goes off on how they have doctors in their group who work 17-18 hour days and still find time to do this crap. I stood there whispering to my wife to tell her no repeatedly but she couldn't do it. I told her next time to ask the girl the name of the company and tell her she's going to do some research about the company first.
The earlier idea of asking them for the $250 initial investment is something I thought of too. Can't wait to see the look on his face when I ask for the money 😀
 
HAH! It is quixtar. I was surfing the guy's website which he has on his business card and there are comments about quixtar on there

"Quixtar is the #1 health and beauty site on the Internet, with sales that double its nearest online competitor.
-Harris Interactive
IBM -- ?Quixtar continues to be
an exciting e-commerce business for IBM to be a part of.?
-Andrew Stiles, IBM Marketing Manager
Office Max -- ?From the very beginning of the relationship, Quixtar has been one of our most important online partners.?
-Ryan Vero, President of OfficeMax
 
Originally posted by: dabuddha
Originally posted by: apoppin
IGNORE them!

they are no more "your friends" than visiting UNinvited JWs, Mormons or 'born-agains' with a hidden motive) to trap you like they are 'trapped').

A very clear, "NO THANK-YOU!, I am NOT interested" should work . . . if not ESCALATE your DISapproval . . .

if they persist, tell them OFF and to shove their propaganda . . .

being polite to these morons is UNnecessary (if they persist)

Just say NO!

:roll:

Agreed 🙂 Those are almost the exact same words I've been telling my wife. I don't have much a problem with it but my wife is somewhat timid. The other day, the stupid girl called and my wife told her that she doesn't have the time to work on something like this. The girl then goes off on how they have doctors in their group who work 17-18 hour days and still find time to do this crap. I stood there whispering to my wife to tell her no repeatedly but she couldn't do it. I told her next time to ask the girl the name of the company and tell her she's going to do some research about the company first.
The earlier idea of asking them for the $250 initial investment is something I thought of too. Can't wait to see the look on his face when I ask for the money 😀
explain to your wife, the ONLY reason this "friend" is being a "friend" is to USE her as a "pigeon".

Once she is FIRM, her new "friend" will stop being a "friend".

I have been approached by these Quixtar people - they are UNusually persistant (and idiotic) with their "religon". . . . i have my OWN, thank-you. now GO AWAY! . . . 😉

:roll:

 
i'm convinced that these multi-level marketing schemes can make you money.

BUT under these conditions:

1. you have no problem stringing along hundreds of people, knowing that 99% of them will quit.
2. you have no problem knowing that those 99% will lose a few hundreds of dollars in the process.
3. you have no problem approaching strangers, knowing they will end up being suckered out of their money.
4. you have no problem bugging your friends and family about your "sure fire, get rich quick" scheme.
5. you have no problem taking money from your family and friends.
6. basically, your personal greed must be greater than any good conscience.

then, you too, can become a millionaire!
 
Originally posted by: iamme
i'm convinced that these multi-level marketing schemes can make you money.

BUT under these conditions:

1. you have no problem stringing along hundreds of people, knowing that 99% of them will quit.
2. you have no problem knowing that those 99% will lose a few hundreds of dollars in the process.
3. you have no problem approaching strangers, knowing they will end up being suckered out of their money.
4. you have no problem bugging your friends and family about your "sure fire, get rich quick" scheme.
5. you have no problem taking money from your family and friends.
6. basically, your personal greed must be greater than any good conscience.

then, you too, can become a millionaire!

LOL
 
btw, there's a dude who i met who has become pretty wealthy doing MLM. funny thing is, he's hopped from one MLM to another.

basically he gets in early....flashes his money around and convinces people it will work.....gets many, many people to sign up under him....and then jets when the next "big" thing comes around.

gee, if his "company" was so great and fool-proof, why didn't he stay with the company?

i know he preys on students on campus, like many MLM schemes :| everytime i see a MLM business card on a bulletin board, i immediately take it off and chuck it in the garbage 😀
 
Originally posted by: iamme
i'm convinced that these multi-level marketing schemes can make you money.

BUT under these conditions:

1. you have no problem stringing along hundreds of people, knowing that 99% of them will quit.
2. you have no problem knowing that those 99% will lose a few hundreds of dollars in the process.
3. you have no problem approaching strangers, knowing they will end up being suckered out of their money.
4. you have no problem bugging your friends and family about your "sure fire, get rich quick" scheme.
5. you have no problem taking money from your family and friends.
6. basically, your personal greed must be greater than any good conscience.

then, you too, can become a millionaire!

Funny (but sad and true).

My (soon to be ex) wife fell for one of these scams, endorsed by her church (of course). Got suckered out of 500 dollars and our already fragile marriage went further down the tubes because of the arguments that we had over it.
 
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