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eflat

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I wanted dual dual core on all models, dammit! The hell if I am paying $3,200 for a PowerMAC.

I think they were a better deal BEFORE the upgrade. It costs a lot more to cool two processors than one. And now the base models only give you one for what two used to cost.

I wonder if it is even faster with dual core. There has to be some advantage to having two single core processors over one dual core. Although that would be hard to prove.

Either way, they should have gone dual core on all models. I think I'm just going to get a refurbished G5.
 
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Originally posted by: Genx87
It is Apple, they have always taken looks and style over performance.
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This has nothing to do with looks. It has to do with simplicity and easy of use. That they are not fugly is just a fringe benefit.

I use both PC's and MAC's now and if I were stuck with one I would take the MAC in the heartbeat.
 
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The dual-core models have twice the L2 cache per core, so they should be faster than the single-core models at the same clock speed. Plus, there's finally a workstation-class graphics card option (nVidia Quadro) instead of the gaming cards. (What, exactly, would we do with a gaming card on a Mac?) Oh, and the multibutton mouse is standard now, finally.

If this is the best that IBM can do to raise the clock speed on the PowerPC, I'm not at all surprised that Apple is moving to Intel.
 
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Originally posted by: omissible
...there's finally a workstation-class graphics card option (nVidia Quadro) instead of the gaming cards. (What, exactly, would we do with a gaming card on a Mac?)
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*lol* That is SO true. :p
It got to the point where I gave in and put a PC together for just games.
But my Mac is everything else!

Now I wonder what the Intel Macs will pack. I need to start saving money now. ><

 
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I'd personally look at some of the old dual cores if I had money at the moment. Just for the discounts.
 
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Originally posted by: CitizenDoug
I wanted dual dual core on all models, dammit! The hell if I am paying $3,200 for a PowerMAC.

I think they were a better deal BEFORE the upgrade. It costs a lot more to cool two processors than one. And now the base models only give you one for what two used to cost.

I wonder if it is even faster with dual core. There has to be some advantage to having two single core processors over one dual core. Although that would be hard to prove.

Either way, they should have gone dual core on all models. I think I'm just going to get a refurbished G5.
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Really it's a pretty amazing upgrade I suppose - the new video card and dual dual core processors is nothing to laugh at and dual dual core xeons wouldn't be a hell of a lot cheaper.
 
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When I speced out dual dual-core Xeons with a Dell 670, cheapest I could get it was over 4 grand and once I added a good quadro and the 2405, it was into the 6s.
 
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Originally posted by: ND40oz
When I speced out dual dual-core Xeons with a Dell 670, cheapest I could get it was over 4 grand and once I added a good quadro and the 2405, it was into the 6s.
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Wow, I didn't know that DC Xeons were out already! Not that I'm envious, because an X2 is plenty more than I can utilize now, but the thought of having 4 real CPUs in one system remains a tantalizing dream that is one step closer to reality (now they just need to come down in cost a tiny bit). ;)
 
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Originally posted by: CitizenDoug
Originally posted by: CitizenDoug
I wanted dual dual core on all models, dammit! The hell if I am paying $3,200 for a PowerMAC.

I think they were a better deal BEFORE the upgrade. It costs a lot more to cool two processors than one. And now the base models only give you one for what two used to cost.

I wonder if it is even faster with dual core. There has to be some advantage to having two single core processors over one dual core. Although that would be hard to prove.

Either way, they should have gone dual core on all models. I think I'm just going to get a refurbished G5.
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Really it's a pretty amazing upgrade I suppose - the new video card and dual dual core processors is nothing to laugh at and dual dual core xeons wouldn't be a hell of a lot cheaper.
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Yeah, dual Core Xeons, with HT? So 8 processors? Not cheap, no, but damn that would be fun in 3DS Max. I'm happy with dual Xeons with HT, even if it isn't 4 full fledge cores. I still think it's kinda funny you quoted yourself though.
 
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eflat

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Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
I'd personally look at some of the old dual cores if I had money at the moment. Just for the discounts.
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There was almost no discount. Like $200 savings :brokenheart:
 
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eflat

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Originally posted by: CitizenDoug
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
I'd personally look at some of the old dual cores if I had money at the moment. Just for the discounts.
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There was almost no discount. Like $200 savings :brokenheart:
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In fact it was actually the same price for the new G5 after the student discount.

Apparently there is still demand for the old G5 because a lot of people have an investment in PCI-X.

One upgrade that I didn't notice until I ordered one was that Apple has converted to PCI-Express - like the rest of the world. Go Apple.

Apparently these new G5's can support 8, yes i said 8, monitors.

That is to say, four PCI express video cards x2 monitors each makes for 8 monitors.

That is fvcking cool ;)
 
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Mickey Eye

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Not quite as dissapointing as the Powerbooks. I need a laptop for I have none and I was going to make a foray into the world of Mac by purchasing a 15" Powerbook. Now I'm going to end up getting something else and it's a bit sad because I can't wait on it and I'm not the kind of person to resell later when something decent turns up.
 
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helpme

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Yeah, I bought my 17" PB over a year ago (1.5 Ghz, 128 MB 9700 PRO)...

At least now they have higher res screens and DDR2, but they barely have any more clock speed (1.67). Motorola really has lagged over the last couple years.
 
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Mickey Eye

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From what I understand, due to them keeping the processor the same, the DDR2 means nothing because the processor can't utilize the extra speed capacity. Someone on one of the rumours sites said that they changed because DDR2 is now cheaper, I can't vouch for the correctness of that though. And I can buy a Dull for the same price with a far higher specification. The situation depresses me.
 
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I was really hoping Apple would do something better with the powerbooks. I realize the G4 has apparently been pushed as far as they can push it but 1.5ghz --> 1.67ghz seems hardly worth it. One of the things I was hoping for was a higher res display and, while they did boost it a bit to around 1400x900 for the 15", I was kind of hoping for something along the lines of 1680x1050 @ 15". Hell, my 14" Thinkpad T42p has 1440x1050 resolution.

I'm not trying to bash powerbooks I'd get one if the specs were better.
 
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Cheesetogo

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Originally posted by: ProviaFan
Originally posted by: ND40oz
When I speced out dual dual-core Xeons with a Dell 670, cheapest I could get it was over 4 grand and once I added a good quadro and the 2405, it was into the 6s.
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Wow, I didn't know that DC Xeons were out already! Not that I'm envious, because an X2 is plenty more than I can utilize now, but the thought of having 4 real CPUs in one system remains a tantalizing dream that is one step closer to reality (now they just need to come down in cost a tiny bit). ;)
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They have dual core opterons too.
 
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n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: CitizenDoug
In fact it was actually the same price for the new G5 after the student discount.

Apparently there is still demand for the old G5 because a lot of people have an investment in PCI-X.

One upgrade that I didn't notice until I ordered one was that Apple has converted to PCI-Express - like the rest of the world. Go Apple.

Apparently these new G5's can support 8, yes i said 8, monitors.

That is to say, four PCI express video cards x2 monitors each makes for 8 monitors.

That is fvcking cool ;)
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I didn't notice there was no more PCI-X. ugh. Does anything useful even use this PCI-E stuff yet?
 
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ProviaFan

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Originally posted by: Cheesetogo
Originally posted by: ProviaFan
Originally posted by: ND40oz
When I speced out dual dual-core Xeons with a Dell 670, cheapest I could get it was over 4 grand and once I added a good quadro and the 2405, it was into the 6s.
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Wow, I didn't know that DC Xeons were out already! Not that I'm envious, because an X2 is plenty more than I can utilize now, but the thought of having 4 real CPUs in one system remains a tantalizing dream that is one step closer to reality (now they just need to come down in cost a tiny bit). ;)
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They have dual core opterons too.
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I know, and I would indeed rather have DC Opterons than DC Xeons, but neither are an option at this point. Not that it would be of any use, because just getting two threads, let alone four, in an application at this point is a matter of some rarity (yes, it could help with multitasking, but how much more would one notice an increase in "snap" from four CPUs vs. two?).
 
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manly

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Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: CitizenDoug
In fact it was actually the same price for the new G5 after the student discount.

Apparently there is still demand for the old G5 because a lot of people have an investment in PCI-X.

One upgrade that I didn't notice until I ordered one was that Apple has converted to PCI-Express - like the rest of the world. Go Apple.

Apparently these new G5's can support 8, yes i said 8, monitors.

That is to say, four PCI express video cards x2 monitors each makes for 8 monitors.

That is fvcking cool ;)
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I didn't notice there was no more PCI-X. ugh. Does anything useful even use this PCI-E stuff yet?
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Apple's OEM video card and a Fibre channel controller, nothing else. Besides the possibility of running extreme multi-head displays, this is a very puzzling move. It's going to take forever for PCI-E boards to come out with Mac support.
 
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n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: manly
Apple's OEM video card and a Fibre channel controller, nothing else. Besides the possibility of running extreme multi-head displays, this is a very puzzling move. It's going to take forever for PCI-E boards to come out with Mac support.
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So it's essentially useless... Even the ethernet cards I see out there that support PCI-E aren't all that great...
 
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