Damn the spoon

Neurorelay

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I keep trying to make that dang spoon dissappear or bend; I know I am a god, but the spoon still stays. What gives, the Matrix sucks. :p
 

Beige

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youre first problem is that there is no spoon. Therefore how can you bend what is not there?
 

Neurorelay

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Originally posted by: Beige
youre first problem is that there is no spoon. Therefore how can you bend what is not there?


I am sober and just reading that made me tipsy. :)
 

ruffilb

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Originally posted by: The Battosai
Originally posted by: Beige
youre first problem is that there is no spoon. Therefore how can you bend what is not there?

winnar

But in accepting that there is no spoon, don't you have to first recognize the spoon as something, albiet something that is not there? But in recognizing it, you accept that it's valid, and therefore, it must exist because you have recognized it!

How do you reconcile these recognition issues?
 

Neurorelay

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Originally posted by: ruffilb
Originally posted by: The Battosai
Originally posted by: Beige
youre first problem is that there is no spoon. Therefore how can you bend what is not there?

winnar

But in accepting that there is no spoon, don't you have to first recognize the spoon as something, albiet something that is not there? But in recognizing it, you accept that it's valid, and therefore, it must exist because you have recognized it!

How do you reconcile these recognition issues?


They say god is the immovable unthinking being, only he has mastered this art.

So in essence, stop thinking and stare blankly into the void.
 

The Batt?sai

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Originally posted by: ruffilb
Originally posted by: The Battosai
Originally posted by: Beige
youre first problem is that there is no spoon. Therefore how can you bend what is not there?

winnar

But in accepting that there is no spoon, don't you have to first recognize the spoon as something, albiet something that is not there? But in recognizing it, you accept that it's valid, and therefore, it must exist because you have recognized it!

How do you reconcile these recognition issues?

you jack out and jack back in, jack back out and jack back in ;)
 

Neurorelay

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Originally posted by: The Battosai
Originally posted by: ruffilb
Originally posted by: The Battosai
Originally posted by: Beige
youre first problem is that there is no spoon. Therefore how can you bend what is not there?

winnar

But in accepting that there is no spoon, don't you have to first recognize the spoon as something, albiet something that is not there? But in recognizing it, you accept that it's valid, and therefore, it must exist because you have recognized it!

How do you reconcile these recognition issues?

you jack out and jack back in, jack back out and jack back in ;)


That sounds like jacking o** to me. :p
 

Beige

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Originally posted by: ruffilb
Originally posted by: The Battosai
Originally posted by: Beige
youre first problem is that there is no spoon. Therefore how can you bend what is not there?

winnar

But in accepting that there is no spoon, don't you have to first recognize the spoon as something, albiet something that is not there? But in recognizing it, you accept that it's valid, and therefore, it must exist because you have recognized it!

How do you reconcile these recognition issues?

If i take you a spoon then take it away from your sight or even the room is the spoon there?

Though I understand youre point is about existance and my point was about it being there or not. Maybe i misunderstood that part of the movie. :)
 

Neurorelay

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Originally posted by: Beige
Originally posted by: ruffilb
Originally posted by: The Battosai
Originally posted by: Beige
youre first problem is that there is no spoon. Therefore how can you bend what is not there?

winnar

But in accepting that there is no spoon, don't you have to first recognize the spoon as something, albiet something that is not there? But in recognizing it, you accept that it's valid, and therefore, it must exist because you have recognized it!

How do you reconcile these recognition issues?

If i take you a spoon then take it away from your sight or even the room is the spoon there?

Though I understand youre point is about existance and my point was about it being there or not. Maybe i misunderstood that part of the movie. :)


Ahh a question of phenomenalism "A tree falls and you are not there, does it make a sound?" All of this is about your intial acceptance of the properties everyone agrees upon in relation to a given object. Hence, I agree that there is a thing called a spoon that is made of metal and is shiny. Now I further agree that I can make it bend and/or dissappear based upon my own will.
 

ruffilb

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Originally posted by: Neurorelay
Originally posted by: Beige
Originally posted by: ruffilb
Originally posted by: The Battosai
Originally posted by: Beige
youre first problem is that there is no spoon. Therefore how can you bend what is not there?

winnar

But in accepting that there is no spoon, don't you have to first recognize the spoon as something, albiet something that is not there? But in recognizing it, you accept that it's valid, and therefore, it must exist because you have recognized it!

How do you reconcile these recognition issues?

If i take you a spoon then take it away from your sight or even the room is the spoon there?

Though I understand youre point is about existance and my point was about it being there or not. Maybe i misunderstood that part of the movie. :)


Ahh a question of phenomenalism "A tree falls and you are not there, does it make a sound?" All of this is about your intial acceptance of the properties everyone agrees upon in relation to a given object. Hence, I agree that there is a thing called a spoon that is made of metal and is shiny. Now I further agree that I can make it bend and/or dissappear based upon my own will.

Right, but that's completely different than saying "This object does not exist. I will now bend this object." as other posters have suggested.
 

BigJ

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Originally posted by: Beige
youre first problem is that there is no spoon. Therefore how can you bend what is not there?

2nd problem is, even if its there, its too big.