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Damn...so I lied...I am pissed....Gentoo..PISSED...Redhat ...PISSED.....Mandrake...PISSED

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Goosemaster

Lifer
So I tried to install Gentoo 1.4rc1 again
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For about the gazillionth time..about 15th-20th


Redhat was slow and mandrake was worse?


Check my server out...is it too slow or something?


Thanks


 
just venting...

Gentoo seems like a lsot cause...I type thigns correctly, and random things go wrong...


Redhat is very nice, but sluggish....not as responsive as windows....on a 700mhz PIII...not exactly ols skool yet...


Should Gentoo run better? I got it up and running, albight a little FUBAR'd, KDE seemed nice and smooth...on an 8GB 5400rpm drive...


Redhat is slugglish on my 40GB IBM 60GXP...
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Right now I have Windows .NET EE on the PC and it flys, but I don't want to put myself in a position where I 'll have to explain myself to Mr. Torvalds...
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so.....anyone care to comment?


 
You'll never get any kind of performance relying on mechanical memory.

*nix like RAM alot. Get more RAM.

Trim all of the overhead crap out of the kernel, don't load the whole bushel of "features;" load up what you're likely to use and add stuff as you need it and delete stuff you don't pay with anymore.

Lose the GUI, it's just cycle-wasting eye-candy anyhow. When was the last time you saw an Olympic-class sprinter run a race with a piano on their back?

Remove any extra hardware in the PC; every card / peripheral / component that's alive in that box requires CPU cycles to maintain it.

So, there ya go ...

Scott
 
Originally posted by: ScottMac

Lose the GUI
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But Ithought that was the point of Linux....the colors..and the antialiasing🙁


Damn "#"

I hate the #:|...well not really, but I don't like it as much as Gnome or KDE


I wanted this as a workstation...🙁


So let me get this staright.....Redhat 8.0 needs MORE than 512MB of RAM and a p3 700 to be perfectly smooth?
 
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: ScottMac

Lose the GUI
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But Ithought that was the point of Linux....the colors..and the antialiasing🙁

Damn "#"

I hate the #:|...well not really, but I don't like it as much as Gnome or KDE

I wanted this as a workstation...🙁

So let me get this staright.....Redhat 8.0 needs MORE than 512MB of RAM and a p3 700 to be perfectly smooth?
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No, but KDE is rather bloated if you enable all the eyecandy, and with Redhat's hacked KDE/GNOME thing, it's probably even worse. Disable the eyecandy; why would you need it for a workstation anyway?
 
We tried RH 8 on an old junker at work, a P2-400 with 448 MB of RAM, worked pretty good with antialiased font and stuff, basically the default Gnome look.
Oh and "Redhat's hacked KDE/GNOME thing" is actually very good, makes GTK1.x, GTK2, and Qt applications look pretty much the same, which IMO is a very good thing in most cases, and it's very functional and not much about eyecandy.

I don't see why your box should be so slow...
 
Lose the GUI, it's just cycle-wasting eye-candy anyhow.
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This is why Linux will never reach the level of windoze with people who demand everyone go old school....

The idea of a GUI was to progress FORWARD to make things easier for people. When Linux buffs b|tch on how no one wants to take the time to learn a new OS... and complain that Linux isn't that hard, its just different and Windows is actually more confusing... saying that isn't helping their cause.

Lemme guess, you use Slackware?

Go ahead and be GUI-less, however don't try to impose that on new users! It will end up scaring them more than anything else! Including me
 
Nope, I use Red Hat (7.2 (dual PIII 1g, 1G RAM), 7.3 (dual PIII 933, 1G RAM) ) and Solaris (Ultra 60 - dual 450s w/ Solaris 2.9). Run GUI on all 'em (but use a term session, most of the time) and load the entire package / every feature / every time.

I compensate for the slow/bloat issue by throwing a lot of processor and RAM at it. Then I kick the system with a sh!tload of SCSI.

(And BTW, I also run a Windows 2K Server (Dual Piii500), Windows XP (dual 2G P4 Xeons), Windows 98 (Laptop Pii133), Novell 4.12, 5.1 (Piii 667) ... and a couple other boxes for workstations (this is my home network).)

That wasn't his question. My understanding of the question (I'm thinking there was another post that I missed somewhere) was how to make this Old, Slow, computer run faster with ?some? operating system.

Like I said before; have you ever seen an Olympic-class sprinter running in a competition with ANYTHING that they didn't have to carry? No - you haven't - because extra load will slow them down.

More features equate to more processes which require more resources. Only the person building/running the machine can decide where the balance is between "enough features" and "enough speed."

I am not a *nix bigot of any flavor. I prefer the "right tool for the right job" school of thought. I run 'em all (except Macs, because I M H O, they suck, and they're for predominantly spongy-headed people j/k 😀 ).

SO, chill. He asked, I answered. You're free to ignore (or not) as you choose.

Have a nice day.


Scott
 
Originally posted by: magomago
Lose the GUI, it's just cycle-wasting eye-candy anyhow.
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This is why Linux will never reach the level of windoze with people who demand everyone go old school....

The idea of a GUI was to progress FORWARD to make things easier for people. When Linux buffs b|tch on how no one wants to take the time to learn a new OS... and complain that Linux isn't that hard, its just different and Windows is actually more confusing... saying that isn't helping their cause.

Lemme guess, you use Slackware?

Go ahead and be GUI-less, however don't try to impose that on new users! It will end up scaring them more than anything else! Including me
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Need a tissue for those tears ma'am?
 
So you want to be a speed freak vol1:

First, start off with a trim system. Only install the necessary applications for your particular distro. Nothing extra. Starting off on the right foot will be a big help. Make sure you get the dev packages, because you are going to need them.

Next, we install a WindowManager to sit on top of X. No KDE. No Gnome. Go with Blackbox. On a system as powqerful as yours, compiling it should take around 10 minutes (or so). Now you are setup with *the* Window manager for impatient people.

The last thing I will mention in this post is to create your own kernel. Start by getting the latest sources. They are typically pretty big, so if you have a slower connection, you can use this time to get magomago some tampons. After the sources have been downloaded create a custom kernel. Forget modules. You should be build everything you need directly into the kernel. And only keep the stuff you absolutely need, nothing extra.

Next post we will talk about: Why SCSI rules (aka: I like SCSI and your sister for the same reasons), disk cache, and chooosing the right kernel patches.
 
Originally posted by: enddogg
Originally posted by: mcveigh
burn the witch!!

try debian

or windows 3.11
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windows 3.11 ... HAHA ... shouldn't laugh though ... it was more stable then 90% of MS's current OS's
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Sure if your a retarded monkey....3.11 was SO muchmore stable than XP....
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Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Next post we will talk about: Why SCSI rules (aka: I like SCSI and your sister for the same reasons), disk cache, and chooosing the right kernel patches.
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No need to convince me that SCSI is better, I already know. Now if only I could afford it... 😉
 
Gentoo 1.4RC1 works just fine. Did you read the docs (esp. not just the code snippets)? I installed 1.4RC1 on the first try and it worked just fine. Maybe try a stage3 tarball vs. a stage1.

vash
 
Originally posted by: jliechty
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: ScottMac

Lose the GUI
Click to expand...
But Ithought that was the point of Linux....the colors..and the antialiasing🙁

Damn "#"

I hate the #:|...well not really, but I don't like it as much as Gnome or KDE

I wanted this as a workstation...🙁

So let me get this staright.....Redhat 8.0 needs MORE than 512MB of RAM and a p3 700 to be perfectly smooth?
Click to expand...
No, but KDE is rather bloated if you enable all the eyecandy, and with Redhat's hacked KDE/GNOME thing, it's probably even worse. Disable the eyecandy; why would you need it for a workstation anyway?
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bluecurve is just a theme.
 
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