SUCK IT UP VOLUNTEER BOY!The soldiers were deployed to Kuwait last September. They were among the first troops in Baghdad during the war. And now they've been in the region longer than other troops: 10 months and counting.
Jane is what... thirty five years older now... and she's long ago dumped Tom Hayden ... the real instigator ... and besides if Bridget goes to Iraq it would provide another focus for Mr. Bush's Admin to spin out of control and deflect focus from the important issues.Originally posted by: Brie
ahh now it sounds like an American war ... I am still suprised that Jane Fonda hasnt gone over to Baghdad yet...:disgust:
My answer is no. I've heard much worse at NCO calls outside of a combat zone. Just some good old-fashioned bitching by modern-day troops sans the profanity or expletives.Originally posted by: Lucky
Hmm...perhaps one of our residents commandoes can inform us if anything said in that article is against military policy.
Yes sir, I agree. If the tempo stays the same, they are gonna have some serious retention problems.Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
This is what drives people out of the service, promise rotation, extension, renege, and repeat.
Dosen't take long before you have lost troops through appathy.
You'll notice there was no criticism of anyone in uniform and that they were all enlisted soldiers. If I recall correctly enlisted soldiers are not forbidden from being critical of their civilian leadership whereas officers are. There is also a difference between what is said in an NCO mtg. and speaking to a reporter. Frankly I'm surprised the press is given this kind of access. In my experience it is more "controlled".Originally posted by: burnedout
Yes sir, I agree. If the tempo stays the same, they are gonna have some serious retention problems.Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
This is what drives people out of the service, promise rotation, extension, renege, and repeat.
Dosen't take long before you have lost troops through appathy.
Tell him I said thanks. I hope he gets out ok.Originally posted by: ClueLis
My cousin's over there.![]()
LOL, if a commissioned officer mouthed off negatively to the press, I doubt his next evaluation report would be favorable. Yeah, I think enlisted have more "free speech" regarding various issues. The tolerance among the brass concerning such matters was increasing when I retired.Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet
You'll notice there was no criticism of anyone in uniform and that they were all enlisted soldiers. If I recall correctly enlisted soldiers are not forbidden from being critical of their civilian leadership whereas officers are. There is also a difference between what is said in an NCO mtg. and speaking to a reporter. Frankly I'm surprised the press is given this kind of access. In my experience it is more "controlled".Originally posted by: burnedout
Yes sir, I agree. If the tempo stays the same, they are gonna have some serious retention problems.Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
This is what drives people out of the service, promise rotation, extension, renege, and repeat.
Dosen't take long before you have lost troops through appathy.
After the last episode of Gulf War 1, I read that the average deployment time there was around 6.5 months for Army personnel, which seems about right. There were of course exceptions regarding longevity in theater. However, at the time, we were also just beginning a drawdown from a Cold War force and thus had about 40 percent more bodies without a "babysitting-the-bear" mission, so to speak.WRT deployments and OPTEMPO. Normally I have very little sympathy for people who whine about deployments but going to a war zone is altogether different. Drawdowns, no change in OPTEMPO and a good economy is what gave us the problems we had in the 90's. We need to be very careful here. Retention has been at all time highs since 2000 but that can quickly change with an improving economy. Especially among those who aren't used to constantly deploying.
Just like Afghanistan. The American people have short memories and a high tolerance for BS.Originally posted by: Moonbeam
You can't lie your way out of Iraq. You either fix it or abandon it. My prediction will be the latter. They will claim it a huge victory, pull out, and let it collapse.
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
You can't lie your way out of Iraq. You either fix it or abandon it. My prediction will be the latter. They will claim it a huge victory, pull out, and let it collapse.
You forget that the unfortunate president who will do this will be a D. Then all of the R's will say nah nah look Iraq is in chaos.Originally posted by: Moonbeam
You can't lie your way out of Iraq. You either fix it or abandon it. My prediction will be the latter. They will claim it a huge victory, pull out, and let it collapse.
and let the REAL terrorism begin. If Iraq didn't have alqueda links before, lord knows it'll be summer in hawaii for them if we abandon altogether.Originally posted by: Moonbeam
You can't lie your way out of Iraq. You either fix it or abandon it. My prediction will be the latter. They will claim it a huge victory, pull out, and let it collapse.
Originally posted by: tnitsuj
From ABCNEWS.COM
What is your major malfunction? :|Damn Liberals Corrupting Our Soldiers:
You cannot trust anyting ABC news says, they have a gay canadian reporter!!!!Originally posted by: tnitsuj
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