Damn it's sad when a thread falls apart due to a pissing match

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla
Unfortunately, pleas have been made before to elevate the level of discourse here. None have ever worked.

Well, I do remember that THIS THREAD helped for a while. IIRC the reason I started that was after a weekend of some of the most vile and disrespectful things I've ever seen posted were posted over that stretch. I think things for the most part cooled down after that thread. However since election time is drawing near - both sides are heating up and it will be tough to escape the rhetoric.

CkG

 

[Stunt]

"North America is seriously lagging behind europe as they has not only complied with kyoto, they have exceeded it."
Can you read?...i said NA lags europe...your answer doesnt even touch NA...
There are countries not on the list and there is little drive to implement exactly with the regulations if the biggest polluter by far (guess who that is) is not implementing, along with russia and china (since the US pulled out). The goal of kyoto is to hit 1990 (heat absorbing gases such as CO2) levels by 2010. So they still have 6 years. And it is implessive that some are exceeding their timeline, especially UK. Again, you don't even want to see what number the US and canada would be at on that scale!...which was the point of my post.

"Korea is your obligation as they are your ally, we weren't involved with the korean war."
yes i was wrong on this we did play a minor role in this war. It was before i was born (by thirty years.). US sent over 300,000 and Canada sent about the same as turkey 6,000.

"From the article you linked: $128.5 billion in GDP - 11% of state GDP"
I missed the 11% as i was searching the information quicky and getting pummled with questions. :S
I quickly corrected myself and thanked for the correction.

"when i was pointing out that your economy which pays for the military that we mooch off of is paid and supported by the rest of the world and have every right to mooch off of it as we ARE your allies."
See point above...i summarized the thread. You are putting words in my mouth that i was not trying to express.

"I don't even support the Iraq war, but it's not unilateral."
Having a single superpower is fine as long as the leader has good morals and reason...bush does not...hence your anti-iraq sentiment. If the UN were more powerful and not one sided, this mistake would have never been made.
The war in iraq was unilateral. The countries that joined were either pressured, given wrong information, or looking to benifit from post war riches.
google found 202,000 sites with unilateral, iraq and war in them...i'm thinking it was unilateral.

 

[Stunt]

"Again, you fail to apply your own warped logic to Canada. Your error did significantly relate to your comment."
I reference canada many times...either as "canadian military is currently on 13 missions", or "doesn't mean we are obligated to send troops to SK to replace the troops you are sending to your unilateral iraq campaign.", or " international community supporting yoru massive trade deficit "
Just because im from canada doesn't mean it all has to apply to my country...

"If I make an entire argument based off of an INCORRECT 'fact', then that would be a mistake. Too bad you refuse to admit it."
Tell me what my arguement was...and i hope it is in line with the summarized notes above...and this critical number flaw that makes this whole statement break down...

"Perhaps when you realize your own faults."
I not only aknowledge my faults but offered a truce to the "pissing match" as to be more constructive.
I also pointed out my mistakes, said they were wrong and appologized for the mistakes...they were then fixed.

Forum members: DO ALL PPL GET DRILLED THIS BADLY FOR SUCH MINOR ERRORS?!?!
This has been going on for way too long...stubborn forum members...jeez...

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Stunt

"North America is seriously lagging behind europe as they has not only complied with kyoto, they have exceeded it."
Can you read?...i said NA lags europe...your answer doesnt even touch NA...
There are countries not on the list and there is little drive to implement exactly with the regulations if the biggest polluter by far (guess who that is) is not implementing, along with russia and china (since the US pulled out). The goal of kyoto is to hit 1990 (heat absorbing gases such as CO2) levels by 2010. So they still have 6 years. And it is implessive that some are exceeding their timeline, especially UK. Again, you don't even want to see what number the US and canada would be at on that scale!...which was the point of my post.

I'm not arguing about NA being behind Europe. I'm arguing about your statement that they're on target and exceeding expectations. They are not. Those numbers are taken with the 2010 target in mind.

"I don't even support the Iraq war, but it's not unilateral."
Having a single superpower is fine as long as the leader has good morals and reason...bush does not...hence your anti-iraq sentiment. If the UN were more powerful and not one sided, this mistake would have never been made.
The war in iraq was unilateral. The countries that joined were either pressured, given wrong information, or looking to benifit from post war riches.
google found 202,000 sites with unilateral, iraq and war in them...i'm thinking it was unilateral.

If I do a search for Canada and immoral I get 122,000 matches. I'm thinking Canada is immoral. If I do a search for Canada Iraq I get 5,080,000 matches. Yup, Canada is involved in Iraq :roll:

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Stunt
"Again, you fail to apply your own warped logic to Canada. Your error did significantly relate to your comment."
I reference canada many times...either as "canadian military is currently on 13 missions", or "doesn't mean we are obligated to send troops to SK to replace the troops you are sending to your unilateral iraq campaign.", or " international community supporting yoru massive trade deficit "
Just because im from canada doesn't mean it all has to apply to my country...

Canada shouldn't have sent troops to make up for the transferred troops. They should have had troops in South Korea since the very beginning, according to your logic. If I said that the US owns Canada because the majority of Canadian imports and exports involves the US, then that would be ridiculous. However, you seem to think that it is OK.

"If I make an entire argument based off of an INCORRECT 'fact', then that would be a mistake. Too bad you refuse to admit it."
Tell me what my arguement was...and i hope it is in line with the summarized notes above...and this critical number flaw that makes this whole statement break down...

You said that the US should be in South Korea b/c it was involved in the Korean War. The same should apply to Canada but you did not say it since you incorrectly believed that Canada was not involved in that war.

"Perhaps when you realize your own faults."
I not only aknowledge my faults but offered a truce to the "pissing match" as to be more constructive.
I also pointed out my mistakes, said they were wrong and appologized for the mistakes...they were then fixed.

You offered a 'truce' right after insulting me in the very same post. Not much of a truce at all. When I pointed out your flaw, you went right on insulting.

Forum members: DO ALL PPL GET DRILLED THIS BADLY FOR SUCH MINOR ERRORS?!?!
This has been going on for way too long...stubborn forum members...jeez...

Lots of people get drilled for saying ridiculous things. You just keep saying them and making up excuses for it. You're not getting any special treatment

 

[Stunt]

Yes Canada is immoral...we do have an international reputaion of that dont we?...

It was very clear that the US led war in iraq was unilateral: miami article shows this in context.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I guess it was inevitable that this thread would turn into some kind of pissing match, I just wouldn't have predicted this kind . . .

 

[Stunt]

"They should have had troops in South Korea since the very beginning, according to your logic"
what?...my logic was that we have 13 campaigns and don't have the resources to send to SK...and that we should be able to rely on you as your military might is helped by international help. is this the logic you are speaking of?

"The same should apply to Canada"
again, economies of scale...we dont have the resources...small country...1/3rd of the gdp of california. over like 100 times the area...

"You offered a 'truce' right after insulting me in the very same post"
You said you were fine with jokes...im sorry if you feel so distraught by the incident.

"Lots of people get drilled for saying ridiculous things. You just keep saying them and making up excuses for it."
excuses...i call it clarification for ppl who just don't get it...

 

[Stunt]

"I guess it was inevitable that this thread would turn into some kind of pissing match, I just wouldn't have predicted this kind . . ."

Sorry man...old scars opened from past threads...i'm not meaning to drag this out...a couple of the members think this is a very important issue apparently...
I'm with you though, this is a big waste of time, and isn't getting very far...
There is obviously a difference of opinion...but apparently that is not ok...

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Stunt
Yes Canada is immoral.

:thumbsup:

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Stunt
"They should have had troops in South Korea since the very beginning, according to your logic"
what?...my logic was that we have 13 campaigns and don't have the resources to send to SK...and that we should be able to rely on you as your military might is helped by international help. is this the logic you are speaking of?

It doesn't matter. Was Canada in 13 campaigns the entire time the US was in South Korea? Using your logic, Canada should have always been there. The US is in a major role in Iraq, too.

You can rely on US military help, but you have no right to 'mooch' off of it. There is simply no justification for it.

"The same should apply to Canada"
again, economies of scale...we dont have the resources...small country...1/3rd of the gdp of california. over like 100 times the area...

They are still not stationed there with a military base.

"You offered a 'truce' right after insulting me in the very same post"
You said you were fine with jokes...im sorry if you feel so distraught by the incident.

Let's see your first two lines in your reply to me:

You are notorious for it too...see korean thread for evidence of that...
and a comedian too...mongeese!...haha...that is soooo funny...oh wait...no it's not...

Hardly a joke. Seems like an insult to me. The first line isn't even a joke at all. Face it, you started off with an insult. When this was pointed out to you, you continued to insult. There is no way out of this.

"Lots of people get drilled for saying ridiculous things. You just keep saying them and making up excuses for it."
excuses...i call it clarification for ppl who just don't get it...

I'm not sure how much more you can clarify a ridiculous comment.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Stunt
"I guess it was inevitable that this thread would turn into some kind of pissing match, I just wouldn't have predicted this kind . . ."

Sorry man...old scars opened from past threads...i'm not meaning to drag this out...a couple of the members think this is a very important issue apparently...
I'm with you though, this is a big waste of time, and isn't getting very far...
There is obviously a difference of opinion...but apparently that is not ok...

Perhaps you should not have started this crap, especially not with a couple of insults.

 

[Stunt]

"Yes Canada is immoral."
that's all you were looking for...well damn...good think you can't recognize sarcasm...that's one down...lets see this other guy...

"There is simply no justification for it."
I tried to justify...through the statements that we are allies and we can't afford it...good...so we are in agreement...somewhat.

"They are still not stationed there with a military base."
yet again...economies of scale...i think you guys are the only country that can afford it.

" You are notorious for it too"
you came in like u had nothing to do with it...so i was making a correct as did you with my number and you are right! that wasn't a joke...GJ!

Your sig of "plural of mongoose is mongeese" wasn't a joke?
well...i gotta tell you...just between you and me...it's mongooses...next time you decide to put it up...
see, im helping you...you looked unwitty and lame...but now you arent because you took the lame saying off your sig

"I'm not sure how much more you can clarify a ridiculous comment."
I don't think the comment is ridiculous...just a differing opinion...we seem to have a lot of that here

 

[Stunt]

Me start this?...this thread started by criticizing the ppl who did the personal trash talk...i said i'd try to cut back, you haven't...
hard to do with what i have to put up with...

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Stunt
"There is simply no justification for it."
I tried to justify...through the statements that we are allies and we can't afford it...good...so we are in agreement...somewhat.

It still doesn't give you the RIGHT to be a leech. Sorry, there's no justification for it at all. Looks like you are now backing off of your ridiculous statment.

"They are still not stationed there with a military base."
yet again...economies of scale...i think you guys are the only country that can afford it.

Sure, but then you guys need to put an proportional amount of troops there. Again, you refuse to apply the same logic to Canada.

" You are notorious for it too"
you came in like u had nothing to do with it...so i was making a correct as did you with my number and you are right! that wasn't a joke...GJ!

I came in like I had nothing to do with it? I didn't deny it at all. You weren't making a correction - you were outright insulting me. It even seems as if your first posts in this very thread make you out to be an innocent victim if mine did. You seem to have a very hard time to apply your own rules and logic to yourself as well as what you believe in.

Your sig of "plural of mongoose is mongeese" wasn't a joke?
well...i gotta tell you...just between you and me...it's mongooses...next time you decide to put it up...
see, im helping you...you looked unwitty and lame...but now you arent because you took the lame saying off your sig

I don't know, I think my current signature is fairly lame.

"I'm not sure how much more you can clarify a ridiculous comment."
I don't think the comment is ridiculous...just a differing opinion...we seem to have a lot of that here

It was a differing opinion that you refused to apply the very same logic to an entity that you hold dearly. You very inconsistent in your sources, logic, and arguments.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Stunt
Me start this?...this thread started by criticizing the ppl who did the personal trash talk...i said i'd try to cut back, you haven't...
hard to do with what i have to put up with...

Yes, you started this conversation between you and me when you started off with multiple insults against me. You simply cannot spin this any other way. You started this with an insult. When I pointed out this fact, you again started with the insults.

So let's see the chronological order of this thread involving you and me.
1. You posted here.
2. I post my own comment without any reference to you.
3. You reply to my post and insult me and then try to get a 'truce' - right after multiple insults.
4. I reply to your post and say that I personally saw you as the problem in the Korea thread (where I mention that everyone is a problem depending on the point of view) and that perhaps the both of us were a problem. I then point out that your very own post was a 'pissing match' as it did include insults.
5. You replied after misreading/misinterpreting my post and crying about how I came out swinging.
6. I corrected your mistake and tell you that in reality you came out swinging with insults. I did not.
7. You insult me again.

and so on.

 

[freegeeks]

politics is always going to be a topic where emotions play an important role especially in times like these where the world is so polarized

the middle ground seems to be lost

 

[Stunt]

"It still doesn't give you the RIGHT to be a leech"
being a close ally and little resources to contribute to all campaigns of yours. And supporting your trade deficit to help develop your military we don't have a right to leech?
I think it gives us every right...not that it is a big deal...it has been proven that i am right as the US government is not asking us to send troops. We are leeching and with no complaints...we are helping you on other fronts...we help where we can.

"but then you guys need to put an proportional amount of troops there."
we are putting waaaay more than our proportion in the other 13 campains we are in...especially afganistan...does that make up for it?
you country asked us to take on a massive effort there so that you could send to iraq...so we kind of did help in iraq...we freed up a lot of your troops.
The US recognizes this and is why canadian companies are the only ones who can bid on iraq contracts and not serve in the war. They know how helpful we are.

"I think my current signature is fairly lame."
being proud of your country is lame there...damn...well you must be an american...

Last comment: My reasoning has been consistent throughout...i missed a number or two, sorry, but if you don't agree with me...i don't really care...thanks for reading...

 

[Stunt]

Damn rabid you are preoccupied by what ppl think of you here eh?
do you have friends outside this forum?
hell do you have friends in the forum?
you are making a big deal about nothing.

Hey guys, change the thread topic, turns out we want to analyse nothing for another couple pages...

My appologies to the guy who started the thread...heh...this is so what you didn't want...
I totally agree with your statements.
I'm not this bad usually...you know how it is...being questioned about the same crap 10 times over...
Worth at least a few shakes of the head...

 

[RabidMongoose]

being a close ally and little resources to contribute to all campaigns of yours. And supporting your trade deficit to help develop your military we don't have a right to leech?
I think it gives us every right...not that it is a big deal...it has been proven that i am right as the US government is not asking us to send troops. We are leeching and with no complaints...we are helping you on other fronts...we help where we can.

No, you don't have an inherent right to 'mooch' off of the US military. Again, the US is reponsible for around 80% of Canadian exports and 60% of Canadian imports. The US fuels the Canadian economy. Does this give the US the inherent right to 'mooch' off of Canadian institutions?

we are putting waaaay more than our proportion in the other 13 campains we are in...especially afganistan...does that make up for it?
you country asked us to take on a massive effort there so that you could send to iraq...so we kind of did help in iraq...we freed up a lot of your troops.
The US recognizes this and is why canadian companies are the only ones who can bid on iraq contracts and not serve in the war. They know how helpful we are.

I'm saying that by applying your own logic, Canada should have been in South Korea before these 13 campaigns. You should have always been there...before Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.

Last comment: My reasoning has been consistent throughout...i missed a number or two, sorry, but if you don't agree with me...i don't really care...thanks for reading...

No, you have been very inconsistent in applying your own logic to the very institutions that you hold dear. I see no reason why you cannot apply your own reasoning and logic to Canada.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Stunt
Damn rabid you are preoccupied by what ppl think of you here eh?
do you have friends outside this forum?
hell do you have friends in the forum?
you are making a big deal about nothing.

Hey guys, change the thread topic, turns out we want to analyse nothing for another couple pages...

I could easily ask the same of you.

You know that you were wrong and you just can't admit it. I assume that is why you refuse to acknowledge the post that I made.

You start off with insults...what do you expect to happen?:roll:

 

[alchemize]

Are there 2 separate threads in this? Was this a clever ploy to act out a 3-way pissing match before us as an example of how not to act?

 

[Stunt]

"The US fuels the Canadian economy."
ugh...the world fuels your economy...$500bill in trade deficit...theres a reason they call it deficit...it's bad.
It's so you can get your cheap clothes to buy at walmart...that is exactly what im talking about...The US's biggest company is only in exsistence because of the rest of the world working their asses off to serve you.

please quit saying logic...im beginning to think you dont know what it means...also, when applying it to me you are saying i have it...so you are saying i am logical in my methods...thx

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: alchemize
I agree. Can we start by banning Dave? Then Moonbeam. Then Passions. Then Edge3D. Add me to the list


PS I will offer some kudos to many who have been very civil...WinstonSmith, Don_Vito, Infohawk, some other "freaking communist liberals" I occassionaly converse with

HuH?! Winston has been nasty as ever.

 

[Perknose]

Thanks shinerburke, for such a clear and eloquent post. I also want to cite the many who added their voices, especially Corn, alchemize, and Infohawk.

Since I was part of the problem, I will try to be part of the solution.