Damn Hot in Alaska . . . must be the SUVs

BaliBabyDoc

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[/quote]Alaska is warming up more than anywhere else on Earth. Climate researchers are now turning to regional models to find out why - and how to deal with it. John Whitfield went north to investigate.

Temperatures have changed more in Alaska over the past 30 years than they have anywhere else on Earth: winters have warmed by a startling 2-3 °C, compared with a global average of 1 °C. That's guaranteed to have dramatic effects in an Arctic landscape, where even small temperature changes can make the difference between freezing and melting. In Fairbanks, a city built on permafrost, the annual mean temperature is just -2 °C. If it pops above zero, residents can say goodbye to the frozen ground beneath their feet, along with the free iceboxes in their basements. The impacts on wildlife, and the people who depend on it for their livelihoods, will be huge.

It is also hard to tell how much of Alaska's climate change is due to global warming and how much to natural climate cycles. The Pacific Decadal Oscillation - an El Niño-like fluctuation of temperatures between the north and tropical Pacific that takes place over 20-30 years - flipped Alaska into a warming phase in the 1970s. The North Atlantic Oscillation has also contributed to warmer winters in Alaska since the late 1960s4. But at the same time it has been associated with a 2-3 °C cooling just across the continent in Greenland. There seems to be a 60-year see-saw in temperatures between the east and west of this part of the Arctic: when one side heats up, the other cools down. In a few years, this could flip again and reverse Alaska's recent warming trend. No one yet knows.[/quote]

The article is worth reading . . . particularly if a synopsis of science written by a scientist is worth your time.
 

daniel1113

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The cause of the warming in Alaska in actually due to the vast amounts of warm oil miles below the surface. If we start drilling now, we should be able to stop the warming, and perhaps even cool it down a bit :)
 

tallest1

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I read in an article a couple days ago about entire towns that get their power from diesel generators. Alaska is very anti-nuclear-power and so they burn gas or coal for a big chunk of their energy. I can see that having an effect on the weather
 

daniel1113

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Originally posted by: tallest1
I read in an article a couple days ago about entire towns that get their power from diesel generators. Alaska is very anti-nuclear-power and so they burn gas or coal for a big chunk of their energy. I can see that having an effect on the weather

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tallest1

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Originally posted by: daniel1113
Originally posted by: tallest1
I read in an article a couple days ago about entire towns that get their power from diesel generators. Alaska is very anti-nuclear-power and so they burn gas or coal for a big chunk of their energy. I can see that having an effect on the weather

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Village invited to test cheap, clean nuclear power

Supporters, including U.S. Sen. Ted Stevens, acknowledge it will be difficult to persuade Alaskans to embrace nuclear power in Galena or elsewhere. But even environmental groups say the incentive to replace expensive diesel fuel as the source of electricity in rural Alaska is reason to continue investigating the small reactor technology.

If you'd like to refute what I said in my original post, bring it on.

 

lozina

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Originally posted by: daniel1113
The cause of the warming in Alaska in actually due to the vast amounts of warm oil miles below the surface. If we start drilling now, we should be able to stop the warming, and perhaps even cool it down a bit :)

Spoken like a true republican with corprate interests. I see an oil executive future for you!
 

daniel1113

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Originally posted by: tallest1
Originally posted by: daniel1113
Originally posted by: tallest1
I read in an article a couple days ago about entire towns that get their power from diesel generators. Alaska is very anti-nuclear-power and so they burn gas or coal for a big chunk of their energy. I can see that having an effect on the weather

rolleye.gif

Village invited to test cheap, clean nuclear power

Supporters, including U.S. Sen. Ted Stevens, acknowledge it will be difficult to persuade Alaskans to embrace nuclear power in Galena or elsewhere. But even environmental groups say the incentive to replace expensive diesel fuel as the source of electricity in rural Alaska is reason to continue investigating the small reactor technology.

If you'd like to refute what I said in my original post, bring it on.

I have no doubt that it will be difficult to persuade Alaskans to use nuclear power. However, there is no proof that burning gas or coal for has an effect on the weather in Alaska.
 
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Originally posted by: tallest1
Originally posted by: daniel1113
Originally posted by: tallest1
I read in an article a couple days ago about entire towns that get their power from diesel generators. Alaska is very anti-nuclear-power and so they burn gas or coal for a big chunk of their energy. I can see that having an effect on the weather

rolleye.gif

Village invited to test cheap, clean nuclear power

Supporters, including U.S. Sen. Ted Stevens, acknowledge it will be difficult to persuade Alaskans to embrace nuclear power in Galena or elsewhere. But even environmental groups say the incentive to replace expensive diesel fuel as the source of electricity in rural Alaska is reason to continue investigating the small reactor technology.

If you'd like to refute what I said in my original post, bring it on.

I just read that article in the local paper the other day. I live in Fairbanks, Alaska. Quite frankly, I would not want a nuclear power plant up here. We already had a drunken fool shoot a hole in the Pipeline.
 

ReiAyanami

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However, there is no proof that burning gas or coal for has an effect on the weather in Alaska.

well obviously burning stuff causes it to freeze rather than to heat up. ever walk into a greenhouse?

d00d, this fireplace is making us colder, turn it off turn it off!!!
 

daniel1113

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Originally posted by: ReiAyanami
However, there is no proof that burning gas or coal for has an effect on the weather in Alaska.

well obviously burning stuff causes it to freeze rather than to heat up. ever walk into a greenhouse?

d00d, this fireplace is making us colder, turn it off turn it off!!!

Good argument...
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DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: tallest1
I read in an article a couple days ago about entire towns that get their power from diesel generators. Alaska is very anti-nuclear-power and so they burn gas or coal for a big chunk of their energy. I can see that having an effect on the weather

I heard they burn SUVs for a big chunk of their power. "Ey! Throw another Expedition on the fire Oooklak!" :)
 
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I live near Fairbanks too. Although I have no bones about global warming generally being a "bad" thing, but I certainly wouldn't mind a bit more up here. Last year was the warmest winter on record for the area, it only dipped to -40 F :p I'm hoping this year will surpass the last, and coninually so until I leave this place. Oh yeah, and open up ANWR. Alaskan's certainly don'tcare about the nominal effect it would have on the vast wilderness, and neither do I.
 

smashp

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Originally posted by: JohnnyMcJohnnyJohn
I live near Fairbanks too, specifically, at Eielson AFB. Although I have no bones about global warming generally being a "bad" thing, but I certainly wouldn't mind a bit more up here. Last year was the warmest winter on record for the area, it only dipped to -40 F :p I'm hoping this year will surpass the last, and coninually so until I leave this place. Oh yeah, and open up ANWR. Alaskan's certainly don'tcare about the nominal effect it would have on the vast wilderness, and neither do I.

except all that stuff you have up there called ..... its callled.... what is it called.....

Oh yeah ICE melts and gets displaced into the worlds water systems causing floods and eroding coastlines and low levels around the world.


Republicans will never care about global warming until their beach front properties are under water, Then they will demand the government repay they for their "Lost ASSets" to the full degree.
 

daniel1113

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Originally posted by: smashp
Originally posted by: JohnnyMcJohnnyJohn
I live near Fairbanks too, specifically, at Eielson AFB. Although I have no bones about global warming generally being a "bad" thing, but I certainly wouldn't mind a bit more up here. Last year was the warmest winter on record for the area, it only dipped to -40 F :p I'm hoping this year will surpass the last, and coninually so until I leave this place. Oh yeah, and open up ANWR. Alaskan's certainly don'tcare about the nominal effect it would have on the vast wilderness, and neither do I.

except all that stuff you have up there called ..... its callled.... what is it called.....

Oh yeah ICE melts and gets displaced into the worlds water systems causing floods and eroding coastlines and low levels around the world.


Republicans will never care about global warming until their beach front properties are under water, Then they will demand the government repay they for their "Lost ASSets" to the full degree.

No... Republicans (or Conservatives) will not care about global warming until it is proved to be a direct result of human activity and not by natural temperature cycles.
 

naddicott

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Originally posted by: daniel1113
No... Republicans (or Conservatives) will not care about global warming until it is proved to be a direct result of human activity and not by natural temperature cycles.
Just like they won't care about removing foreign dictators until they are proved to be a direct threat to the US? Oh yeah, that's right, the burden of proof shifts dramatically depending on the topic. In both cases, only evidence supporting their pre-determined conclusions is acknowledged.

Republicans will be all over preventing global warming once they can figure out how to arrange sweetheart contracts for their largest campaign contributers to develop the technologies. If oil companies predominantly backed Democratic candidates, you would see many more environmentalists come out of the conservative woodwork.

As it is, there are a handful of conservative polititians who vote their consciences against the party lines on such issues already. Conservative != anti-environment, it just seems that way sometimes. You have to go back to Teddy Roosevelt to find truly visionary conservation coming from a conservative. (Eisenhower establishing ANWAR isn't bad, and Nixon proposed some good laws too.)
 

DealMonkey

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Yes, good point naddicott, there's a grave and gathering danger in global warming. We NEED to strike pre-emptively before something really serious goes down. :)
 

smashp

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Yes, good point naddicott, there's a grave and gathering danger in global warming. We NEED to strike pre-emptively before something really serious goes down. :)

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