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I'm attending an eye opening class today. However I do need a brief bullet point summary of today's Manafort & other guy development
Damage report! Bullet Points for today's news
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1) News hits that Manafort and Gates win the indictment sweepstakes
2) Manafort turns himself in
3) News drops and official document shows that Manafort has 75 million in funds that he has a lot of 'splaning to do regarding that money. Also says that he's being charged with conspiracy against the US.
4) None of the charges appear linked to Trump/Campaign
5) Trump tweets that this happened a long time ago. NO COLLUSION!
6) Minutes within that new documents and headlines drop that a campaign foreign adviser on Trump Campaign (George Popadopalous) pleaded guilty in early October to lying to the FBI about his role with the campaign and Russian connections.
7) Documents related to that case are VERY damning. Basically a smoking gun of Trump campaign actively trying to collude with Russia.
BOOM.
2) Manafort turns himself in
3) News drops and official document shows that Manafort has 75 million in funds that he has a lot of 'splaning to do regarding that money. Also says that he's being charged with conspiracy against the US.
4) None of the charges appear linked to Trump/Campaign
5) Trump tweets that this happened a long time ago. NO COLLUSION!
6) Minutes within that new documents and headlines drop that a campaign foreign adviser on Trump Campaign (George Popadopalous) pleaded guilty in early October to lying to the FBI about his role with the campaign and Russian connections.
7) Documents related to that case are VERY damning. Basically a smoking gun of Trump campaign actively trying to collude with Russia.
BOOM.
Fingolfin269
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zinfamous
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*footnote in documents show email communication within Trump campaign making sure that campaign hides the fact that DT is directly meeting with Russian contacts, and to put it on someone "low."
mnewsham
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UNCjigga
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USAToday has a decent summary--hoping Vox or someone will have an infographic soon.
From USAToday: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...orge-papadopoulos-what-we-know-now/812762001/
"Here's what we know so far.
What Did Manafort And Gates Allegedly Do?
The indictment alleges the pair worked for the government of Ukraine from at least 2006 to 2015 but did not register as lobbyists for foreign government as required by law. To hide the tens of millions of dollars they were paid, Manafort and Gates laundered money through scores of U.S. and foreign corporations, partnerships and bank accounts, according to the indictment. Manafort allegedly used his hidden wealth to enjoy a "lavish lifestyle" without paying taxes on the income. Gates used money from offshore accounts to pay for such personal expenses as his mortgage, children's tuition and interior decorating of his Virginia residence, according to the indictment.
What Are The Charges?
Manafort has been charged with nine counts — including conspiracy, money laundering, failing to register as a foreign agent, failing to disclose foreign banking activity and making false statements. Gates was charged with eight of the same counts.
What Are The Penalties For The Charges?
The two men each could face up to 40 years in prison and potentially millions of dollars in fines. The money laundering counts alone carry a maximum 20-year sentence and a fine of up to $500,000 or twice the amount of the funds involved.
What Work Did Manafort And Gates Do For Their Clients?
In 2006, a pro-Russia political party in Ukraine, the Party of Regions, allegedly hired Manafort's lobbying and public relations firm in part to help its candidates win elections. The party's presidential candidate, Victor Yanukovych, was elected president in 2010. He fled to Russia in 2014 after a popular uprising.
According to the indictment, Manafort and Gates tried to disguise their work in part by using the European Center for a Modern Ukraine to advocate on behalf of the Ukranian government. The center, created around 2012, nominally hired two Washington, D.C.-based firms to lobby Congress on sanctions against Ukraine, the validity of the Ukranian elections and other matters. But Manafort and Gates had arranged the hiring, and the center was actually under the control of Yanukovych and the Party of Regions, the indictment alleges.
The center ceased to operate after Yanukovych fled Ukraine
Who Is Paul Manafort?
Manafort, 68, is a longtime lobbyist and political operative who has worked for Republican campaigns dating back to Gerald Ford and Ronald Reagan. In 1980 he founded the consulting firm of Black, Manafort, Stone & Kelly.
Manafort was a key player in the early stages of the Trump presidential campaign. When campaign manager Corey Lewandowski was fired in June, Manafort took the reins, helping the Trump campaign wrangle delegates for the Republican National Convention. Gates signed on as Manafort's deputy. But Manafort was forced out by Trump in August amid questions about the campaign's tactics and his Russian ties.
Who Is Rick Gates?
Gates, who is described in the indictment as Manafort's "right-hand man," had worked with Manafort in the private sector and followed him to Trump's campaign in 2016. Gates wound up moving to the Republican National Committee when Manafort was ousted from the campaign, and he helped set up a pro-Trump super PAC after the election.
Who Is George Papadopoulos?
Papadopoulos served as a foreign policy adviser to the Trump campaign. He allegedly lied to federal investigators about his interactions with a professor with ties to the Kremlin, according to the statement of offense filed Monday. The professor told Papadopoulos that the Russians had "dirt" on then-candidate Hillary Clinton in the form of "thousands of emails."
Papadopoulos claimed that his interactions with the professor occurred before he joined the campaign.
But "in truth and in fact," the criminal statement says, Papadopoulos learned he would be an adviser to the campaign in early March, and he met the professor on or about March 14, 2016. The professor "only took interest" in Papadopoulos because of his role in the campaign, and the professor told Papadopoulos about the "thousands of emails" on or about April 26, 2016, when he had been on board with the Trump operation for more than a month.
Papadopolous pleaded guilty to the charge earlier this month, but it was kept secret until Monday, when charges were also unsealed against Manafort and Gates.
How Did President Trump React To The Indictments?
Trump tweeted that the illegal acts Manafort has been charged with happened before Manafort joined Trump’s campaign. He also said the investigation should be focusing on “Crooked Hillary” and the Democrats.
“Also, there is NO COLLUSION!" he added.
How Did Democrats React To The Indictments?
Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., warned Trump against interfering with Mueller’s investigation. “If he does so, Congress must respond swiftly, unequivocally, and in a bipartisan way to ensure that the investigation continues," Schumer said in a statement.
House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said an “outside, fully independent investigation” is still needed even with Mueller’s “accelerating” investigation and the work of congressional committees."
From USAToday: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...orge-papadopoulos-what-we-know-now/812762001/
"Here's what we know so far.
What Did Manafort And Gates Allegedly Do?
The indictment alleges the pair worked for the government of Ukraine from at least 2006 to 2015 but did not register as lobbyists for foreign government as required by law. To hide the tens of millions of dollars they were paid, Manafort and Gates laundered money through scores of U.S. and foreign corporations, partnerships and bank accounts, according to the indictment. Manafort allegedly used his hidden wealth to enjoy a "lavish lifestyle" without paying taxes on the income. Gates used money from offshore accounts to pay for such personal expenses as his mortgage, children's tuition and interior decorating of his Virginia residence, according to the indictment.
What Are The Charges?
Manafort has been charged with nine counts — including conspiracy, money laundering, failing to register as a foreign agent, failing to disclose foreign banking activity and making false statements. Gates was charged with eight of the same counts.
What Are The Penalties For The Charges?
The two men each could face up to 40 years in prison and potentially millions of dollars in fines. The money laundering counts alone carry a maximum 20-year sentence and a fine of up to $500,000 or twice the amount of the funds involved.
What Work Did Manafort And Gates Do For Their Clients?
In 2006, a pro-Russia political party in Ukraine, the Party of Regions, allegedly hired Manafort's lobbying and public relations firm in part to help its candidates win elections. The party's presidential candidate, Victor Yanukovych, was elected president in 2010. He fled to Russia in 2014 after a popular uprising.
According to the indictment, Manafort and Gates tried to disguise their work in part by using the European Center for a Modern Ukraine to advocate on behalf of the Ukranian government. The center, created around 2012, nominally hired two Washington, D.C.-based firms to lobby Congress on sanctions against Ukraine, the validity of the Ukranian elections and other matters. But Manafort and Gates had arranged the hiring, and the center was actually under the control of Yanukovych and the Party of Regions, the indictment alleges.
The center ceased to operate after Yanukovych fled Ukraine
Who Is Paul Manafort?
Manafort, 68, is a longtime lobbyist and political operative who has worked for Republican campaigns dating back to Gerald Ford and Ronald Reagan. In 1980 he founded the consulting firm of Black, Manafort, Stone & Kelly.
Manafort was a key player in the early stages of the Trump presidential campaign. When campaign manager Corey Lewandowski was fired in June, Manafort took the reins, helping the Trump campaign wrangle delegates for the Republican National Convention. Gates signed on as Manafort's deputy. But Manafort was forced out by Trump in August amid questions about the campaign's tactics and his Russian ties.
Who Is Rick Gates?
Gates, who is described in the indictment as Manafort's "right-hand man," had worked with Manafort in the private sector and followed him to Trump's campaign in 2016. Gates wound up moving to the Republican National Committee when Manafort was ousted from the campaign, and he helped set up a pro-Trump super PAC after the election.
Who Is George Papadopoulos?
Papadopoulos served as a foreign policy adviser to the Trump campaign. He allegedly lied to federal investigators about his interactions with a professor with ties to the Kremlin, according to the statement of offense filed Monday. The professor told Papadopoulos that the Russians had "dirt" on then-candidate Hillary Clinton in the form of "thousands of emails."
Papadopoulos claimed that his interactions with the professor occurred before he joined the campaign.
But "in truth and in fact," the criminal statement says, Papadopoulos learned he would be an adviser to the campaign in early March, and he met the professor on or about March 14, 2016. The professor "only took interest" in Papadopoulos because of his role in the campaign, and the professor told Papadopoulos about the "thousands of emails" on or about April 26, 2016, when he had been on board with the Trump operation for more than a month.
Papadopolous pleaded guilty to the charge earlier this month, but it was kept secret until Monday, when charges were also unsealed against Manafort and Gates.
How Did President Trump React To The Indictments?
Trump tweeted that the illegal acts Manafort has been charged with happened before Manafort joined Trump’s campaign. He also said the investigation should be focusing on “Crooked Hillary” and the Democrats.
“Also, there is NO COLLUSION!" he added.
How Did Democrats React To The Indictments?
Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., warned Trump against interfering with Mueller’s investigation. “If he does so, Congress must respond swiftly, unequivocally, and in a bipartisan way to ensure that the investigation continues," Schumer said in a statement.
House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said an “outside, fully independent investigation” is still needed even with Mueller’s “accelerating” investigation and the work of congressional committees."
mnewsham
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snoopy7548
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Trump's recent search history:
Sunday night
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-Ice cream
-How to make hands look bigger
-Hiding small hands
-Make hands bigger
-Fox news
-Big midgets
-Indictment definition
Monday
-Indictment definition
-Collusion definition
-Russia campaign
-Paul Manafort
-How do you hide money
-Collusion definition
-Indictment definition
-Jail time for indictment of collusion
-Jail time for collusion
-Trump collusion
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hal2kilo
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This guys way more significant then Manafort or Gates. He lied about contacting a Russian prof with Putin ties trying to find dirt on Hillary.
The big C word.
zinfamous
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see mnewsham's post quoting the footnote. It doesn't explicitly state what I claimed, but the suggestion is there. And I could certainly be wrong, because the language is intentionally vague. The one thing that it does say is that the campaign knew this was very bad, so they made sure that several were on board with covering up what they were doing.
soundforbjt
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There’s two guys who are pissing their pants right now, the guys Popodopoulus mentioned in the indictment.
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