Dallas officer enters apartment she mistakes for her own, fatally shoots man inside

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Viper1j

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You think being a cop is an easy job?

I'm pretty sure that every single cop on every single force in the country today, VOLUNTEERED to do the job.

How much slack do you cut a proctologist, when he comes home at the end of the day and says "I can't believe I have to spend my entire day looking at assholes!"?
 

woolfe9998

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I'm pretty sure that every single cop on every single force in the country today, VOLUNTEERED to do the job.

How much slack do you cut a proctologist, when he comes home at the end of the day and says "I can't believe I have to spend my entire day looking at assholes!"?

Proctologists don't take any risks in their line of work, and they get paid about 3x what police do.
 

GagHalfrunt

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That appears to be a bunch of people on reddit speculating that shooter and victim had a prior connection, just like we're doing here.

I'd be more likely to believe that than the story of her walking into a strangers house and not knowing it.
 

woolfe9998

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I'd be more likely to believe that than the story of her walking into a strangers house and not knowing it.

Yes it does seem more plausible. But there's going to need to be evidence of it for this to be murder instead of manslaughter.
 

Darwin333

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Where are you guys getting your facts from? Did I miss something? The initial articles about this, before she was charged, say she was put on leave pending the investigation. After it was announced that they intended to charge her with manslaughter, I see nothing except the article linked by Vic says they (the press) didn't know if she was in custody or not. A Google search returned this from CNN just an hour ago which says the police are getting an arrest warrant for her:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/07/us/dallas-police-shooting/index.html

Are you saying they should have taken her into custody before investigating, before charging, and before getting an arrest warrant?

I can only assume here that once they arrest her, probably today unless she's on the run, she will either be in jail or out on bail, just like anyone else.

Yes, absolutely, 100%, without a single doubt.

Any other person that shot someone in the home of that person, a place that they admit that they have no business being in, would be arrested at the scene and in jail until charged or whatever time period that state has for holding people without charging them, here it's 72 hours. I guarantee that Texas can hold them longer than the time between the shooting and the charges. She literally couldn't provide a single justifiable reason for being in his apartment where he was legally allowed to be and she was not. There was ZERO reason to not arrest her on the scene other than she was a cop and even that is absurd because as I said she had no justifiable reason to be in a position to kill the guy. OTOH, he had every justifiable reason to attack her, advance on her and even use deadly force on her. If she was the one dead, it would have been completely justified, but you damn well know they would have arrested his ass on the scene and would have been grilling him as soon as he was booked until he lawyered up.
 

Maxima1

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I'd be more likely to believe that than the story of her walking into a strangers house and not knowing it.

I read that he opened the door himself and was in his underwear. So considering how close he was, that lessens the argument that she would have realized the apartment was different. I think the other explanation is more likely. We've already had cases of cops shooting someone at the door before. Women are also much less likely to murder than men, and so far they've reported that it's case of an accident, so nothing damning yet.
 

Viper1j

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That, and after awhile I'm sure they get used to assholes. I'm used to them too, after 10 years+ on social media.

Like a Zippo without a flint..
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Darwin333

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He has hate issues because he doesn't believe that government agents should be allow to gun down innocents just because being a government agent can be a sort of dangerous job?
Interesting.

Fixed that for you.

As discussed earlier in the thread, my roofers have a far more dangerous job and they don't get nor do they ask for any special treatment.
 
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Viper1j

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Fixed that for you.

As discussed earlier in the thread, my roofers have a far more dangerous job and they don't get nor do they ask for any special treatment.

Maybe they'll start letting ironworkers that walk across girders while they build skyscrapers carry guns because their job is so "dangerous".
 
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ecogen

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Maybe they'll start letting ironworkers that walk across girders while they build skyscrapers carry guns because their job is so "dangerous".

Well if they had guns they would be able to shoot gravity while falling therefore invalidating its effect by killing it. Afterwards they would just gently float to safety.
 
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Darwin333

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Proctologists don't take any risks in their line of work, and they get paid about 3x what police do.

Roofers take way more risk than cops do, have a FAR more physically demanding job that I'd argue very few cops would be able to cut it for more than a week or two and they do all of that for LESS pay and far less benefits.

So should they get any slack after a 12-14 hour day since they are far more drained physically and usually emotionally than any cop in the US.
 
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Darwin333

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Maybe they'll start letting ironworkers that walk across girders while they build skyscrapers carry guns because their job is so "dangerous".

Hell my roofers would just rather the get out of jail free cards, they can keep the guns. A badge would super sweeten the deal though.
 

GagHalfrunt

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I read that he opened the door himself and was in his underwear. So considering how close he was, that lessens the argument that she would have realized the apartment was different. I think the other explanation is more likely. We've already had cases of cops shooting someone at the door before. Women are also much less likely to murder than men, and so far they've reported that it's case of an accident, so nothing damning yet.

Shooting an unarmed man in his underwear isn't damning in and of itself? Why was he opening the door if she thought she was at home? Seems like he wouldn't open the door unless she knocked/rang which proves she knew she wasn't at her place or unless she was unable to open the door with her key which should trigger a thought like "hmmm, maybe not my door?" in even in a drunk person. There's plenty damning here.
 
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esquared

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Even IF that was her apt, some unarmed guy in his underwear opens the door and her first thought is "I have to kill him"?
The dude wasn't a threat in his apt or in the scenario of him being her own apt, from what was given on post 135.

What happened to "drop to your knees or down on the ground."?
Seriously, cops have to be trained another way instead of this shoot first and ask questions later.

Someone is going to try to make the case that she was tired/confused from the14 hour day and it was just a grave mistake.
If that's the case, then limit the amount of overtime. Innocent people being killed by bad cops/or cops with bad judgement needs to stop.
Period.
The job is just too important to make these kinds of mistakes. And its clear that there are multitudes of cops that don't belong on the force
from all these shootings of innocent civilians.
 
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Maxima1

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Shooting an unarmed man in his underwear isn't damning in and of itself?

No, because I'm guessing she panicked and reached for the gun instantly. There's been plenty of cases of someone panicking and making a boneheaded mistake.

Many people would probably think they're still in the right place even if the key didn't work, and they'll still fiddle over a fruitless thing and not consider that maybe they're in the wrong place. I don't know why some here seem to think that if the key didn't work instantly, a person would realize right away that it's not their place.

Why was he opening the door if she thought she was at home? Seems like he wouldn't open the door unless she knocked/rang which proves she knew she wasn't at her place or unless she was unable to open the door with her key which should trigger a thought like "hmmm, maybe not my door?" in even in a drunk person.

Maybe because he realized that it was a woman and he wasn't afraid. I've also seen from reports people heard, "Open up. Open up", as if she was talking to herself, but I can't say if that's something prior to the shooting or after because they didn't provide enough context.
 

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No, because I'm guessing she panicked and reached for the gun instantly. There's been plenty of cases of someone panicking and making a boneheaded mistake.
Professionals don't get to claim that. She is a trained law enforcement officer and apparently a police chief. Professionals do not get to hide behind claims of "I panicked".

Anyway the most common reason for this sort of thing happening is drinking. The fact that they haven't already released a negative toxicology report is proof that is probably positive.
 
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Maxima1

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Professionals don't get to claim that. She is a trained law enforcement officer and apparently a police chief. Professionals do not get to hide behind claims of "I panicked".

Anyway the most common reason for this sort of thing happening is drinking. The fact that they haven't already released a negative toxicology report is proof that is probably positive.

How many times has she had to fire her weapon at someone? Probably never. I've seen cases of female cops clearly panicked, so it's plausible. Also, it can still be criminal, while also being an accident. i didn't say she wouldn't be charged and convicted of something.
 

esquared

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It says now that she shot someone last year, while on duty.

"The Dallas police officer who says she mistakenly went to the wrong apartment after work earlier this week and fatally shot a black man also fired her weapon and wounded a man during an on-duty confrontation in 2017, according to court documents.

Dallas police on Saturday named Amber Guyger, a four-year force veteran, as the off-duty white officer who shot and killed 26-year-old Botham Jean Thursday night.

https://abcnews.go.com/Internationa...ficer-killed-black-man-shot-man-2017-57702348
 

Maxima1

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It says now that she shot someone last year, while on duty.

"The Dallas police officer who says she mistakenly went to the wrong apartment after work earlier this week and fatally shot a black man also fired her weapon and wounded a man during an on-duty confrontation in 2017, according to court documents.

Dallas police on Saturday named Amber Guyger, a four-year force veteran, as the off-duty white officer who shot and killed 26-year-old Botham Jean Thursday night.

https://abcnews.go.com/Internationa...ficer-killed-black-man-shot-man-2017-57702348

Interesting. That could be an indicator that she was a bad cop, but the shooting was "justified".

Also, I saw a report that said they confirmed that they did not know each other. And she was pacing back and forth crying.

https://www.wfaa.com/video/news/wha...allegedly-shot-killed-botham-jean/287-8245822

Edit: That previous shooting may have made her more paranoid. Someone wrestled her taser from her.
 
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Sunburn74

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How many times has she had to fire her weapon at someone? Probably never. I've seen cases of female cops clearly panicked, so it's plausible. Also, it can still be criminal, while also being an accident. i didn't say she wouldn't be charged and convicted of something.

The number of times she has previously fired her weapon is immaterial. You're a professional. You have trained for these situations.
A doctor can't butcher a surgery and say "well it was my first time doing it on my own and I panicked"
An engineer can't butcher a bridge which later collapses and says "well it was my first bridge I designed by myself and so I panicked"
A lawyer can commit malpractice and then say "well it was my first highly specific case on this issue and so I panicked"

Professionals don't get that excuse. Cops to go police academies where they train and take tests on confrontations with individuals, on how to approach and enter a home, etc etc. They review each other's cases. They don't get the excuse of "I panicked".