Dailytech: Canon Hybrid IS for Lenses

[akugami]

Dailytech article. New Hybrid IS system.

The Hybrid IS system uses an angular velocity sensor that has been found in previous Canon IS lenses and incorporates a new acceleration sensor to compensate for shift-based camera shake.

I was planning to purchase some lenses. My brother already has a 70-200 f/2.8 L so I was just going to borrow his for that. I have the 28-135mm kit lens on my Canon 50D which works as a general walk around lens for now but I was looking to get some lens upgrades but it looks like I'll be holding off for now.

 

[jpeyton]

When I think of my laundry list of improvements Canon should make, a new IS system isn't one of them.

 

[fuzzybabybunny]

*face smack*

 

[magomago]

This is one of the main reasons I want IS in body. They all get upgraded each time a new body comes along. That nice expensive glass will never have older shake reduction technology.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
*face smack*

You want to switch back ?

 

[Heidfirst]

Originally posted by: akugami


I was planning to purchase some lenses. My brother already has a 70-200 f/2.8 L so I was just going to borrow his for that. I have the 28-135mm kit lens on my Canon 50D which works as a general walk around lens for now but I was looking to get some lens upgrades but it looks like I'll be holding off for now.

it's going to take many years for Canon to roll this out through their entire range* - if you need the glass now, get it.

* at least the lenses that they can fit IS to.

 

[fuzzybabybunny]

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
*face smack*

You want to switch back ?

Honestly, I'm not happy with any brand's body at this moment. Nikon ain't all that. Canon ain't all that. And the other brands are immediately disqualified because they don't have the number of AF points and speed I need.

 

[randomlinh]

Originally posted by: akugami
Dailytech article. New Hybrid IS system.

The Hybrid IS system uses an angular velocity sensor that has been found in previous Canon IS lenses and incorporates a new acceleration sensor to compensate for shift-based camera shake.

I was planning to purchase some lenses. My brother already has a 70-200 f/2.8 L so I was just going to borrow his for that. I have the 28-135mm kit lens on my Canon 50D which works as a general walk around lens for now but I was looking to get some lens upgrades but it looks like I'll be holding off for now.

be prepared to wait for it... who knows what lens will get it first, and it'll cost a bundle.

sadly, we'll likely never see canon go in-body IS. too much riding on their in-lens IS. maybe they'll do a 1-2 stop in-camera system, then the in-lens would be 3-5 stops.

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
When I think of my laundry list of improvements Canon should make, a new IS system isn't one of them.

x2

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
*face smack*

You want to switch back ?

Honestly, I'm not happy with any brand's body at this moment. Nikon ain't all that. Canon ain't all that. And the other brands are immediately disqualified because they don't have the number of AF points and speed I need.

I thought you are just shooting houses on a tripod right now and everything is resized for websites??? You had pretty good shots even with your XT imo.

If the D300 doesn't work for you, consider upgrading to a D3X or a 1DS Mk3 I heard they are a little faster

 

[fuzzybabybunny]

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
*face smack*

You want to switch back ?

Honestly, I'm not happy with any brand's body at this moment. Nikon ain't all that. Canon ain't all that. And the other brands are immediately disqualified because they don't have the number of AF points and speed I need.

I thought you are just shooting houses on a tripod right now and everything is resized for websites??? You had pretty good shots even with your XT imo.

If the D300 doesn't work for you, consider upgrading to a D3X or a 1DS Mk3 I heard they are a little faster

Yup. Believe it or not with my HDR stuff it'd be very difficult to shoot houses with even a Canon 50D because I bracket so wide. With my D300 I bracket 9 shots for each shot ranging from -4 to +4. If I had a Canon and needed to adjust the bracket range a couple of times for each shot, it'd slow me down plus introduce stacking misalignments to the final image. I could then turn auto alignment on, but that would slow down processing by a lot.

The thing that really bugs me about the D3X is that the AF focus points don't cover the whole frame. They're all bunched up near the center because it's using the same AF system as the D300, which is a crop factor camera. Sucks.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
Yup. Believe it or not with my HDR stuff it'd be very difficult to shoot houses with even a Canon 50D because I bracket so wide. With my D300 I bracket 9 shots for each shot ranging from -4 to +4. If I had a Canon and needed to adjust the bracket range a couple of times for each shot, it'd slow me down plus introduce stacking misalignments to the final image. I could then turn auto alignment on, but that would slow down processing by a lot.

Canon's AEB options are baffling. Even the 5D2 (at $2700) is limited to 3 frames at +/- 2EV, which is inexcusable for a camera marketed to professionals.

What should bother Canon users even more is that AEB options have nothing to do with the camera's hardware, and everything to do with a few lines of code in the firmware.

 

[akugami]

Well, I'm prepared to wait for the appropriate lenses to come out. My brother has a Canon (older Rebel body) but he's got a nice 70-200 f/2.8 which I'm going to play with. I also got the kit lens on my 50D, the 28-135mm I believe it was. I'm also a photography newbie so I'm still learning.

Lenses usually seem to outlast bodies since if you get a great lens you can always just move up to a new body but keep your lens. So waiting, at least for me, is not a bad option. I might have to pay a little more for the newer lenses. Worse comes to worse, by the time I want better lenses, the older IS versions might have dropped a good amount vs the Hybrid IS versions and I can snag some nice deals.

 

[fuzzybabybunny]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
Yup. Believe it or not with my HDR stuff it'd be very difficult to shoot houses with even a Canon 50D because I bracket so wide. With my D300 I bracket 9 shots for each shot ranging from -4 to +4. If I had a Canon and needed to adjust the bracket range a couple of times for each shot, it'd slow me down plus introduce stacking misalignments to the final image. I could then turn auto alignment on, but that would slow down processing by a lot.

Canon's AEB options are baffling. Even the 5D2 (at $2700) is limited to 3 frames at +/- 2EV, which is inexcusable for a camera marketed to professionals.

What should bother Canon users even more is that AEB options have nothing to do with the camera's hardware, and everything to do with a few lines of code in the firmware.

I agree. Can you imagine what would happen if any of the brands released their firmware for public customization? Holy shit. That would be amazing. Unlocked higher FPS, better usability, more features, and basically a more robust camera.

I wouldn't be able to even FUNCTION at my job if I had a 5D2. Being able to get all those bracketed shots and my HDR processing is giving me a direct competitive advantage in my market.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
Yup. Believe it or not with my HDR stuff it'd be very difficult to shoot houses with even a Canon 50D because I bracket so wide. With my D300 I bracket 9 shots for each shot ranging from -4 to +4. If I had a Canon and needed to adjust the bracket range a couple of times for each shot, it'd slow me down plus introduce stacking misalignments to the final image. I could then turn auto alignment on, but that would slow down processing by a lot.

Canon's AEB options are baffling. Even the 5D2 (at $2700) is limited to 3 frames at +/- 2EV, which is inexcusable for a camera marketed to professionals.

What should bother Canon users even more is that AEB options have nothing to do with the camera's hardware, and everything to do with a few lines of code in the firmware.

I agree. Can you imagine what would happen if any of the brands released their firmware for public customization? Holy shit. That would be amazing. Unlocked higher FPS, better usability, more features, and basically a more robust camera.

I wouldn't be able to even FUNCTION at my job if I had a 5D2. Being able to get all those bracketed shots and my HDR processing is giving me a direct competitive advantage in my market.

Well removal of features in software is part of creating different markets.

Btw, you need 9 freaking shots from -4 to +4? Does it impact the final image (post resize and everything, no pixel peeping) that much?

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: magomago
Well removal of features in software is part of creating different markets.

Canon Rebel XSi | ~$600 Body | 3 Frames AEB @ +/- 2EV | 9-point AF (1 Cross-Type f/2.8)

Canon 5D Mark II | ~$2700 Body | 3 Frames AEB @ +/- 2EV | 9-point AF (1 Cross-Type f/2.8)

 

[fuzzybabybunny]

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
Yup. Believe it or not with my HDR stuff it'd be very difficult to shoot houses with even a Canon 50D because I bracket so wide. With my D300 I bracket 9 shots for each shot ranging from -4 to +4. If I had a Canon and needed to adjust the bracket range a couple of times for each shot, it'd slow me down plus introduce stacking misalignments to the final image. I could then turn auto alignment on, but that would slow down processing by a lot.

Canon's AEB options are baffling. Even the 5D2 (at $2700) is limited to 3 frames at +/- 2EV, which is inexcusable for a camera marketed to professionals.

What should bother Canon users even more is that AEB options have nothing to do with the camera's hardware, and everything to do with a few lines of code in the firmware.

I agree. Can you imagine what would happen if any of the brands released their firmware for public customization? Holy shit. That would be amazing. Unlocked higher FPS, better usability, more features, and basically a more robust camera.

I wouldn't be able to even FUNCTION at my job if I had a 5D2. Being able to get all those bracketed shots and my HDR processing is giving me a direct competitive advantage in my market.

Well removal of features in software is part of creating different markets.

Btw, you need 9 freaking shots from -4 to +4? Does it impact the final image (post resize and everything, no pixel peeping) that much?

Well, Nikon has its own bracketing stupidity. Sure, I can bracket 9 shots, but I can only do +/- 1EV. If I bracket 3 shots, that's only -1 to +1, which is useless for real estate where the interior light is a LOT dimmer than exterior light. Likewise with 5 shots, -2 to +2 is still useless. 9 shots with -4 to +4, is usually decent for covering the entire range, but sometimes this isn't even enough.

Plus I shoot in JPEG because processing goes a lot faster with JPEG, and JPEG has inherently less dynamic range than RAW. I also shoot at ISO1600 because I like to bracket at 3FPS. ISO1600 helps minimize the camera shake from the relatively high FPS. Having lots of shots minimizes and even eliminates the effect the noise after the images are stacked. A stack of just 3 shots at ISO 1600 would be pretty noisey if you have to push the final HDR even further.

And yes, 9 shots covering a DR from +4 to -4 really trumps an HDR created from 3 shots @ -2, 0, and +2. Better color, better light, less noise, etc.

 

[fuzzybabybunny]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: magomago
Well removal of features in software is part of creating different markets.

Canon Rebel XSi | ~$600 Body | 3 Frames AEB @ +/- 2EV | 9-point AF (1 Cross-Type f/2.8)

Canon 5D Mark II | ~$2700 Body | 3 Frames AEB @ +/- 2EV | 9-point AF (1 Cross-Type f/2.8)

It's stuff like this that bothers me. With these specs Canon is simply making sure that I would NEVER even consider buying the 5D2.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: magomago
Well removal of features in software is part of creating different markets.

Canon Rebel XSi | ~$600 Body | 3 Frames AEB @ +/- 2EV | 9-point AF (1 Cross-Type f/2.8)

Canon 5D Mark II | ~$2700 Body | 3 Frames AEB @ +/- 2EV | 9-point AF (1 Cross-Type f/2.8)

It's stuff like this that bothers me. With these specs Canon is simply making sure that I would NEVER even consider buying the 5D2.

From my perspective, what the 5D has is simple: Full Frame. That is the draw - you want more? Get a 1D series.

The 5D lacks in several other things ~ fps is also nothing special for a camera that will run you close to 3000 after tax. The shutter box hasn't improved either and still has a long blackout.

 

[fuzzybabybunny]

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: magomago
Well removal of features in software is part of creating different markets.

Canon Rebel XSi | ~$600 Body | 3 Frames AEB @ +/- 2EV | 9-point AF (1 Cross-Type f/2.8)

Canon 5D Mark II | ~$2700 Body | 3 Frames AEB @ +/- 2EV | 9-point AF (1 Cross-Type f/2.8)

It's stuff like this that bothers me. With these specs Canon is simply making sure that I would NEVER even consider buying the 5D2.

From my perspective, what the 5D has is simple: Full Frame. That is the draw - you want more? Get a 1D series.

The 5D lacks in several other things ~ fps is also nothing special for a camera that will run you close to 3000 after tax. The shutter box hasn't improved either and still has a long blackout.

Yeah. Basically it's a very lukewarm camera.

I'd rather have a crop sensor body with a lot of capabilities than a full frame one with features that are nuked and crippled left and right. This is where I think Nikon got it more right than Canon (but still not entirely).

 

[Deadtrees]

Not something I crave for but it is something good to have. More of a nice 'extra' feature, I'd say.

Anyway, what I'd want is Canon to have body IS along with Lens IS. It doesn't have to work together; just an option to turn on one side of IS on and off would be sweet.
This is because I prefer lens IS though there're obvious advantages on body IS. I just love to feeling of lens IS kicking in on a viewfinder.

BTW, one thing I forgot to mention is that this feature can make a significant difference for users who use very fast lenses. Photographers who use lenses like 85mm f/1.2, 200mm f/2.0 or even 50mm f/1.4 would benefit greatly as this technology would work well for what's called 'cosine AF error.' It's the type of AF error when you lock the focus - move the frme - recompose. In that case, this is not just an extra feature. This is a great feature.

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
And yes, 9 shots covering a DR from +4 to -4 really trumps an HDR created from 3 shots @ -2, 0, and +2. Better color, better light, less noise, etc.

no kidding. I was just looking at your real estate photography...looks real good. Definitely cant tell it's HDR, but doesnt look like normal photos either. I think you found the key to creating realistic HDR

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: magomago
From my perspective, what the 5D has is simple: Full Frame. That is the draw - you want more? Get a 1D series.

Or get a Nikon.

The 5D lacks in several other things ~ fps is also nothing special for a camera that will run you close to 3000 after tax. The shutter box hasn't improved either and still has a long blackout.

They had three years to release a successor to their most popular professional DSLR, and it's surprising how many things they didn't change, despite very notable weaknesses (some of which you mentioned).

 

[Madwand1]

Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
It's stuff like this that bothers me. With these specs Canon is simply making sure that I would NEVER even consider buying the 5D2.

I don't mean to be rude, but who cares? You have very specific needs, and to expect a random camera to meet them is unrealistic. Even the 1Ds Mk III would come up short for that specific requirement from your perspective, but would probably have many 5D II and Nikon owners doing cartwheels if they could afford it.

The 5D II is a breakthrough in price & resolution for full frame, and satisfies tons of users. It could be better -- such points are certainly valid -- and like Sony, if Nikon came up with a high-resolution full-frame camera at that sort of price point, it would do the consumers a huge favor. Sony briefly led on this front in this round, and Canon met that challenge. Full-frame is never going to be as cheap as crop for bodies and lenses in the same generation, and bringing the price down on full-frame high-resolution cameras is the most significant achievement with this lot.

I think that if these features are as you imply -- critical and reasonably priced at next to no premium -- then it's up to Nikon to prove that and market a high-resolution full-frame at the price point that Canon and Sony are working at.

 

[Heidfirst]

Originally posted by: Deadtrees

BTW, one thing I forgot to mention is that this feature can make a significant difference for users who use very fast lenses. Photographers who use lenses like 85mm f/1.2, 200mm f/2.0 or even 50mm f/1.4 would benefit greatly as this technology would work well for what's called 'cosine AF error.' It's the type of AF error when you lock the focus - move the frme - recompose. In that case, this is not just an extra feature. This is a great feature.

I'm pretty sure that you aren't going to see in-lens IS on an 85mm/1.2, 50/1.4 in fact probably anything less than an f2.8 ...