DADT Repeal Passes in Senate

[Phokus]

For bonus fun, everyone should go over and read Freep. They are melting down in a pretty epic fashion over there, it's hilarious. One guy is even going so far as to start banning any account on Freep that says anything in favor of gay people.

I looooooove the delicious, pathetic tears of these awful, awful people.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2644979/posts?q=1&;page=1

Just one of the multiple threads over at freep about this.

It makes me so happy that conservative bigots are all crying over this

To: dila813
No, DADT was a compromise with Evil Clinton.

It was much better before. DADT is bad enough, open faggots in the military will be hell.

This is a war against all that is good.


8 posted on Sun Dec 19 2010 16:12:51 GMT-0500 (Eastern Standard Time) by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah
Yes, but it goes both ways, the loser is our military.


11 posted on Sun Dec 19 2010 16:14:06 GMT-0500 (Eastern Standard Time) by dila813
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To: Spok
I would certainly hope so. These people didn’t sign a contract to be a part of the new “Homosex Military.” I’d support 100% any soldier who argued this point.


13 posted on Sun Dec 19 2010 16:14:37 GMT-0500 (Eastern Standard Time) by greene66
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To: Yaelle; Jim Robinson
Yaelle, I’ve tried to educate you but it won’t take. Below is a list of articles that show without a shadow of a doubt that even allowing homosexuals in the military under the guise of DADT is destructive, and allowing them free reign harms military readiness and morale beyond reapair.

You owe it to yourself and the truth to read the articles below. You’ve supported the homosexual agenda on FR for years and I am sick of it.

Ten Reasons to Oppose an “LGBT Law” or Policy for the Military
The Center for Military Readiness ^
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2608259/posts

Senate Testimony: European Militaries Are Not Role Models for U.S.
The Center for Military Readiness ^ | 3/22/2010
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2608228/posts

Rates of Homosexual Assault in the Military Are Disproportionately High
FRC ^
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2608306/posts

In Support the 1993 Law Stating that Homosexuals are not Eligible to Serve in the Military
CMR ^ | July 23, 2008 | Elaine Donnelly
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2608370/posts

“THE REAL PENTAGON POLL: 91% OF SERVICE MEMBERS REJECT HOMOSEXUAL LEADERS - 1 IN 4 WOULD QUIT”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2635458/posts

“MILITARY: Marines lead opposition to repeal of ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2635350/posts

“Mullen: Troops Who Balk at Change in Gay Service Policy Can Find Other Work”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2636350/posts


24 posted on 12/19/2010 1:27:14 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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To: dila813
What goes both ways? Not sure what you mean.

Our military was harmed by DADT, and now it will be destroyed, along with the rest of the country, unless the lovely human agenda is stopped, turned around, and shoved back into the closet.


20 posted on Sun Dec 19 2010 16:21:58 GMT-0500 (Eastern Standard Time) by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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To: Brices Crossroads
Animals in the animal kingdom are smarter than humans. You don’t find sodomy among the male animals or females animals trying to have sex with another female.


28 posted on Sun Dec 19 2010 16:32:35 GMT-0500 (Eastern Standard Time) by YukonGreen
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To: little jeremiah
“...open faggots in the military will be hell.”

Indeed it will. Unfortunately, this bell cannot be un-rung. They’re here to stay.

AMERICA.........RIP.


36 posted on Sun Dec 19 2010 16:58:00 GMT-0500 (Eastern Standard Time) by panaxanax (IMPEACH THE MUSLIM MARXIST....NOW!!!)
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[EagleKeeper]

Idiots exist on all sides of the political spectrum.

It was something that was not needed and those taht were affected by it need a big SORRY and welcome back if they choose. Any records relating to this mess, should be cleaned.

For some units that are "macho", it will have an impact; females also had an impact and people learned to adjsut.

The main thing is for the COs to not accept a boys will be boys attitude.

 

[zsdersw]

"Well... I see we have a long way to go." -Chancellor Gorkon, Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country, played by David Warner

 

[zsdersw]

For some units that are "macho", it will have an impact;

If there are any homosexuals already in or looking to get into those units it's a safe bet that they're of the macho type.

 

[Vette73]

If there are any homosexuals already in or looking to get into those units it's a safe bet that they're of the macho type.

You mean like the macho gays that would work at a steel mill?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icIwKaci3MI&feature=related

:awe:

 

[zsdersw]

You mean like the macho gays that would work at a steel mill?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icIwKaci3MI&feature=related

:awe:

Nope.

 

[feralkid]

Of course a favorite topic was sex. What position you like, how you like to beat off, dry or lubed, sexual conquests, comparing dick sizes, etc.

I guess having women or openly gay comrades would screw up your circle jerks.

Tough it out, Marine.

 

[zsdersw]

Tough it out, Marine.

No kidding. Anyone in the military who has a problem being in close quarters with a gay guy needs to grow a pair.

It's such a childish thing to be worried/concerned about, anyway.

 

[feralkid]

comparing dick sizes, etc. I could post tons of pics to support what Ive said

No thanks.

 

[fskimospy]

America is doomed if our soldiers can't compare dick sizes.

 

[zsdersw]

America is doomed if our soldiers can't compare dick sizes.

I think most soldiers would be glad they didn't have to compare dick sizes; they'd likely come up short.

 

[K1052]

We lived with nothing. No tent, no AC, no anything for a long time. We walked around next to naked, just our underwear on. Bathes together, slept close together, talked about everything. Things I dont talk about with people Ive known for 20 years. Of course a favorite topic was sex. What position you like, how you like to beat off, dry or lubed, sexual conquests, comparing dick sizes, etc. That wouldnt happen with a female, and not with a gay person being present either. Being in the middle of nowhere is different than being some pog on a base. Odds are there are gay grunts... Ive yet to meet one. I have never heard of an openly gay grunt either. Which is what this is all about.

You surely have met a gay grunt and could have a couple in your unit but you just don't know it. I don't know how suddenly "knowing" a person is gay would open up such a deep reservoir of insecurity in Marines who pride themselves on being able to deal with anything.

Gays in your showers? They're already there. This may be inconceivable but we don't want to fuck every man we see...or even a large percentage. Do you want to fuck every single woman you see?

 

[K1052]

I think most soldiers would be glad they didn't have to compare dick sizes; they'd likely come up short.

I think it is a universal constant for all men to lie about dick size, gay or straight.

All claims should automatically be reduced by 30%

 

[zsdersw]

I think it is a universal constant for all men to lie about dick size, gay or straight.

All claims should automatically be reduced by 30%

QFT.

 

[yllus]

Congratulations for the step forward.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Idiots exist on all sides of the political spectrum.

It was something that was not needed and those taht were affected by it need a big SORRY and welcome back if they choose. Any records relating to this mess, should be cleaned.

For some units that are "macho", it will have an impact; females also had an impact and people learned to adjsut.

The main thing is for the COs to not accept a boys will be boys attitude.

The units where it will have an impact aren't "macho" it's just a bunch of unprofessional little boys in too big uniforms who have WAY too much time on their hands.

I completely agree with you other than that.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Idiots exist on all sides of the political spectrum.

It was something that was not needed and those taht were affected by it need a big SORRY and welcome back if they choose. Any records relating to this mess, should be cleaned.

For some units that are "macho", it will have an impact; females also had an impact and people learned to adjsut.

The main thing is for the COs to not accept a boys will be boys attitude.

The units where it will have an impact aren't "macho" it's just a bunch of unprofessional little boys in too big uniforms who have WAY too much time on their hands.

I completely agree with you other than that.

Which is the reason for the macho in quotes.

 

[CallMeJoe]

...We walked around next to naked, just our underwear on. Bathes together, slept close together, talked about everything...What position you like, how you like to beat off, dry or lubed, sexual conquests, comparing dick sizes, etc...

Rejoice!
Thanks to the repeal of DADT, you and your compatriots won't have to stay even as minimally closeted as you were.

 

[HumblePie]

So what happens to the few who were persecuted in recent years for being found out to be gay in the military? I know some got some hefty fines along with some military jail time before being booted out.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Which is the reason for the macho in quotes.

In that case there is nothing in your post i don't agree with.

I just clarified.

 

[Vette73]

So what happens to the few who were persecuted in recent years for being found out to be gay in the military? I know some got some hefty fines along with some military jail time before being booted out.

??? I thought they got kicked out under Hon.Discharge? Who has got jail time for DADT?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Rejoice!
Thanks to the repeal of DADT, you and your compatriots won't have to stay even as minimally closeted as you were.

Actually, the bathing and walking around naked is done by sheer neccessity, the rest isn't something i'm familiar with at all.

 

[fskimospy]

??? I thought they got kicked out under Hon.Discharge? Who has got jail time for DADT?

I've never heard of anyone going to jail for sodomy in the military in a very, very, very (very) long time, if it has ever occurred at all.

Coming out as gay under DADT meant an honorable discharge with full benefits, nobody was being fined or imprisoned.

 

[HumblePie]

I've never heard of anyone going to jail for sodomy in the military in a very, very, very (very) long time, if it has ever occurred at all.

Coming out as gay under DADT meant an honorable discharge with full benefits, nobody was being fined or imprisoned.

Incorrect. Let me dig up the articles I remember reading. Some of them were pretty bad. Remember military justice is nothing like civilian justice. But at least it is not that often it had occurred.

Usually what occurs is that they tack on anything and everything they can such a sodomy, or aggressive sexual conduct, or crap like that which is punishable crimes under the UCMJ. Basically if you get someone high enough with a hard on to "make an example" of some one, you are pretty much screwed.

 

[Carmen813]

Its not about when you are engaging the enemy, its about what you are at the PB doing daily activities. And I guarantee you people do care if you are "straight, gay, male, female". Mainly because most women cannot do my job, or other jobs out there. Its not about being a woman, its about not being strong enough. Can they drive a MATV? Sure, those are on the front lines all the time doing supply routes. I have no problems with them doing that. There are other jobs that are close to the action, which I believe can be done by either gender. I do not think they can do my job, or live where I did. For one, I never saw a woman carry anything other than an M4. Grunt squads carry 203's, SAW's, 240B's, and Mk19's. I had an A4/203. With 7 mags of 28 rounds, and 15 203 rounds. HE, smoke, star clusters. I also carried 100 rounds of 7.62 because we took out 1,000 rounds and spread loaded it. I am a Combat Engineer so I also had to carry a metal detector, and demo. On several patrols I also carried an AT4 on my back. Not to mention everything else you had to carry. Im not superman, but Im pretty good to go. Ive got a 300 CFT, and a 286 PFT. There is no way (most) women can carry that much weight over a 9 hour/10 click patrol. They fell out carrying their day pack from PB to PB.

You didnt serve in combat, and I have. Yet you think you know what you're talking about more than I do. I find that silly. We did have two female FET's come to our PB, once. A Cpl got into a screaming match with the Sgt in charge, who if it was a male would have killed him. She accused him of going thru canals on purpose, and making it hard on them. They threw their rifles across canals, you never do that. They left the next day, and we never had females again. We lived with nothing. No tent, no AC, no anything for a long time. We walked around next to naked, just our underwear on. Bathes together, slept close together, talked about everything. Things I dont talk about with people Ive known for 20 years. Of course a favorite topic was sex. What position you like, how you like to beat off, dry or lubed, sexual conquests, comparing dick sizes, etc. That wouldnt happen with a female, and not with a gay person being present either. Being in the middle of nowhere is different than being some pog on a base. Odds are there are gay grunts... Ive yet to meet one. I have never heard of an openly gay grunt either. Which is what this is all about.

Like gay people, I think women can do most jobs in the military just fine. I do not think they belong with 12 guys in the middle of nowhere living very crudely. I dont know how anyone can think this would be a good idea, except people who have never done such a thing. Its not being a bigot, its being a realist. Dont like my opinion? Oh well, at least it is based on facts and personal experience, not what people think they know. I could post tons of pics to support what Ive said, it really doesnt matter.

Im done talking about it. I dont get into back and forth banter all day, its not worth it. Have fun.

It's not that I think I know better than you do. My point is that that nothing you've said hasn't been said at some other time and place whenever this kind of change occurs in the military.

Plenty of people I knew in the military talked about sex. Or their marriages, girlfriends, one night stands, ect. Privileges many take for granted. There is nothing to suggest that homosexuals can't be as disciplined and focused on the job as others. If you want to talk about problems with sex in the military, then we need to talk about sexual aggression committed by STRAIGHT service members.

I'm aware that women aren't physically strong enough for some jobs, but I've also seen them endure more pain than many men. They have their strengths and limitations, just as men do.