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Originally posted by: SithSolo1
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Your parents are stupid. A 15 year old has no business behind the wheel of a car with 300hp.
BTW-No, money and the car don't make you a good or bad driver but experience makes you a better driver or at the very least a responsible driver.
True it might have a lot of horse power but it's probably the best handling car we own. My truck on the other hand will come around on you in a heart beat if you so much as tap the gas while turning. Come to think of it the viper is the same way, must be a Dodge thing.
Originally posted by: SithSolo1
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Your parents are stupid. A 15 year old has no business behind the wheel of a car with 300hp.
BTW-No, money and the car don't make you a good or bad driver but experience makes you a better driver or at the very least a responsible driver.
True it might have a lot of horse power but it's probably the best handling car we own. My truck on the other hand will come around on you in a heart beat if you so much as tap the gas while turning. Come to think of it the viper is the same way, must be a Dodge thing.
Originally posted by: Boze
I'd also like to point out that a lot of people are making some pretty quick generalizations here... you don't know the kid's driving background, you don't know the reason he got into an accident... maybe he ran over something in the road and a tire blew out on him; most people don't know how to control a vehicle well enough (especially not a power vehicle like a Viper) to maintain control of it during that type of situation.
You people need to shut the hell up and wait until more details are released; if its determined that the kid was going entirely too fast, then I'll join in and we can all rail him for his stupidity.
Originally posted by: jagec
Originally posted by: Boze
I'd also like to point out that a lot of people are making some pretty quick generalizations here... you don't know the kid's driving background, you don't know the reason he got into an accident... maybe he ran over something in the road and a tire blew out on him; most people don't know how to control a vehicle well enough (especially not a power vehicle like a Viper) to maintain control of it during that type of situation.
You people need to shut the hell up and wait until more details are released; if its determined that the kid was going entirely too fast, then I'll join in and we can all rail him for his stupidity.
Actually, if the kid WASN'T speeding, that would strengthen our claim. Any car can be dangerous at 120MPH. A Viper is dangerous at 30MPH, all you have to do is hit the throttle a bit too hard around the corner, hit a patch of sand, blow out a tire, ANYTHING and you run smack into a tree, whereas an econobox would shrug it off and keep going.
Even responsible drivers shouldn't drive supercars if they don't have EXPERIENCE.
Originally posted by: Tanner
I've always wanted a Dodge Viper. The ironic fact of the matter is that in the future I'll be able to afford one, but I won't be able to afford the fuel for it! DOH!![]()
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: jagec
Originally posted by: Boze
I'd also like to point out that a lot of people are making some pretty quick generalizations here... you don't know the kid's driving background, you don't know the reason he got into an accident... maybe he ran over something in the road and a tire blew out on him; most people don't know how to control a vehicle well enough (especially not a power vehicle like a Viper) to maintain control of it during that type of situation.
You people need to shut the hell up and wait until more details are released; if its determined that the kid was going entirely too fast, then I'll join in and we can all rail him for his stupidity.
Actually, if the kid WASN'T speeding, that would strengthen our claim. Any car can be dangerous at 120MPH. A Viper is dangerous at 30MPH, all you have to do is hit the throttle a bit too hard around the corner, hit a patch of sand, blow out a tire, ANYTHING and you run smack into a tree, whereas an econobox would shrug it off and keep going.
Even responsible drivers shouldn't drive supercars if they don't have EXPERIENCE.
if the Viper is truly "dangerous at 30 MPH", someone needs to sue Dodge.
:roll:
Originally posted by: sxr7171
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: jagec
Originally posted by: Boze
I'd also like to point out that a lot of people are making some pretty quick generalizations here... you don't know the kid's driving background, you don't know the reason he got into an accident... maybe he ran over something in the road and a tire blew out on him; most people don't know how to control a vehicle well enough (especially not a power vehicle like a Viper) to maintain control of it during that type of situation.
You people need to shut the hell up and wait until more details are released; if its determined that the kid was going entirely too fast, then I'll join in and we can all rail him for his stupidity.
Actually, if the kid WASN'T speeding, that would strengthen our claim. Any car can be dangerous at 120MPH. A Viper is dangerous at 30MPH, all you have to do is hit the throttle a bit too hard around the corner, hit a patch of sand, blow out a tire, ANYTHING and you run smack into a tree, whereas an econobox would shrug it off and keep going.
Even responsible drivers shouldn't drive supercars if they don't have EXPERIENCE.
if the Viper is truly "dangerous at 30 MPH", someone needs to sue Dodge.
:roll:
Any car with that kind of power going to the rear wheels is dangerous at almost any speed. You have to learn how to drive it. Which is what he means by: "Even responsible drivers shouldn't drive supercars if they don't have EXPERIENCE."
You could be could be coasting at 5 MPH and drop the clutch and find yourself spinning around. The worst thing is that when you start spinning like for the first time you are so surprised by what happened that you basically do something stupid like floor it even more or turn the wheel in the wrong direction. You need to be trained.
At the Skip Barber school (which BMW used to use - maybe they still do - for driver training) they teach you how to throw your car into a minor spin and teach you how to correct it. Then you slowly get used to the spinning motion and instinctively act to resolve it instead of making it worse.
Originally posted by: sxr7171
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: jagec
Originally posted by: Boze
I'd also like to point out that a lot of people are making some pretty quick generalizations here... you don't know the kid's driving background, you don't know the reason he got into an accident... maybe he ran over something in the road and a tire blew out on him; most people don't know how to control a vehicle well enough (especially not a power vehicle like a Viper) to maintain control of it during that type of situation.
You people need to shut the hell up and wait until more details are released; if its determined that the kid was going entirely too fast, then I'll join in and we can all rail him for his stupidity.
Actually, if the kid WASN'T speeding, that would strengthen our claim. Any car can be dangerous at 120MPH. A Viper is dangerous at 30MPH, all you have to do is hit the throttle a bit too hard around the corner, hit a patch of sand, blow out a tire, ANYTHING and you run smack into a tree, whereas an econobox would shrug it off and keep going.
Even responsible drivers shouldn't drive supercars if they don't have EXPERIENCE.
if the Viper is truly "dangerous at 30 MPH", someone needs to sue Dodge.
:roll:
Any car with that kind of power going to the rear wheels is dangerous at almost any speed. You have to learn how to drive it. Which is what he means by: "Even responsible drivers shouldn't drive supercars if they don't have EXPERIENCE."
You could be could be coasting at 5 MPH and drop the clutch and find yourself spinning around. The worst thing is that when you start spinning like for the first time you are so surprised by what happened that you basically do something stupid like floor it even more or turn the wheel in the wrong direction. You need to be trained.
At the Skip Barber school (which BMW used to use - maybe they still do - for driver training) they teach you how to throw your car into a minor spin and teach you how to correct it. Then you slowly get used to the spinning motion and instinctively act to resolve it instead of making it worse.
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: sxr7171
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: jagec
Originally posted by: Boze
I'd also like to point out that a lot of people are making some pretty quick generalizations here... you don't know the kid's driving background, you don't know the reason he got into an accident... maybe he ran over something in the road and a tire blew out on him; most people don't know how to control a vehicle well enough (especially not a power vehicle like a Viper) to maintain control of it during that type of situation.
You people need to shut the hell up and wait until more details are released; if its determined that the kid was going entirely too fast, then I'll join in and we can all rail him for his stupidity.
Actually, if the kid WASN'T speeding, that would strengthen our claim. Any car can be dangerous at 120MPH. A Viper is dangerous at 30MPH, all you have to do is hit the throttle a bit too hard around the corner, hit a patch of sand, blow out a tire, ANYTHING and you run smack into a tree, whereas an econobox would shrug it off and keep going.
Even responsible drivers shouldn't drive supercars if they don't have EXPERIENCE.
if the Viper is truly "dangerous at 30 MPH", someone needs to sue Dodge.
:roll:
Any car with that kind of power going to the rear wheels is dangerous at almost any speed. You have to learn how to drive it. Which is what he means by: "Even responsible drivers shouldn't drive supercars if they don't have EXPERIENCE."
You could be could be coasting at 5 MPH and drop the clutch and find yourself spinning around. The worst thing is that when you start spinning like for the first time you are so surprised by what happened that you basically do something stupid like floor it even more or turn the wheel in the wrong direction. You need to be trained.
At the Skip Barber school (which BMW used to use - maybe they still do - for driver training) they teach you how to throw your car into a minor spin and teach you how to correct it. Then you slowly get used to the spinning motion and instinctively act to resolve it instead of making it worse.
last time . . .
IF the Dodge Viper is "truly dangerous" it could not be sold without the owner passing a mandatory driving skills class (period)
and i DO know how to drive "dangerous" high-powered "race" cars . . . .
:roll:
Originally posted by: apoppin
IF the Dodge Viper is "truly dangerous" it could not be sold without the owner passing a mandatory driving skills class (period)![]()
Originally posted by: sxr7171
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: sxr7171
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: jagec
Originally posted by: Boze
I'd also like to point out that a lot of people are making some pretty quick generalizations here... you don't know the kid's driving background, you don't know the reason he got into an accident... maybe he ran over something in the road and a tire blew out on him; most people don't know how to control a vehicle well enough (especially not a power vehicle like a Viper) to maintain control of it during that type of situation.
You people need to shut the hell up and wait until more details are released; if its determined that the kid was going entirely too fast, then I'll join in and we can all rail him for his stupidity.
Actually, if the kid WASN'T speeding, that would strengthen our claim. Any car can be dangerous at 120MPH. A Viper is dangerous at 30MPH, all you have to do is hit the throttle a bit too hard around the corner, hit a patch of sand, blow out a tire, ANYTHING and you run smack into a tree, whereas an econobox would shrug it off and keep going.
Even responsible drivers shouldn't drive supercars if they don't have EXPERIENCE.
if the Viper is truly "dangerous at 30 MPH", someone needs to sue Dodge.
:roll:
Any car with that kind of power going to the rear wheels is dangerous at almost any speed. You have to learn how to drive it. Which is what he means by: "Even responsible drivers shouldn't drive supercars if they don't have EXPERIENCE."
You could be could be coasting at 5 MPH and drop the clutch and find yourself spinning around. The worst thing is that when you start spinning like for the first time you are so surprised by what happened that you basically do something stupid like floor it even more or turn the wheel in the wrong direction. You need to be trained.
At the Skip Barber school (which BMW used to use - maybe they still do - for driver training) they teach you how to throw your car into a minor spin and teach you how to correct it. Then you slowly get used to the spinning motion and instinctively act to resolve it instead of making it worse.
last time . . .
IF the Dodge Viper is "truly dangerous" it could not be sold without the owner passing a mandatory driving skills class (period)
and i DO know how to drive "dangerous" high-powered "race" cars . . . .
:roll:
Maybe you should stop reading things so literally and try to understand that what Boze meant by dangerous at 30MPH is that the car can very easily be sent out of control by driver error at that speed. Few cars can be sent so much torque to the wheels at 30 MPH so as to lose grip at 30MPH. It's pretty hard to kill yourself in a Camry at 30MPH just by injudicious use of the throttle. Whereas in a Viper you can pretty much kill yourself solely by not judiciously applying throttle.
The vast majority of people have not driven a car that can be sent into a spin with just throttle (especially since the majority of cars sold are front wheel drive and those that are not usually have some kind of traction control that lets you get away with murder on the throttle). So a car like the Viper is dangerous in the hands of most people who have no clue of easy it is to lose grip. A family sedan does not lose grip at lower speeds, but a Viper can and does in wrong hands.
Apparently the license you allowing you drive is considered sufficient to drive a Viper. Yet we know how under-educated the average driver to even drive a Corolla. So defining something as dangerous by how the government regulates it's use is pretty pointless. Any number of OTC drugs/paint thinners etc. can be misused and hence can be dangerous, but you won't be needing a prescription for Tylenol or a license to buy paint thinner any time soon.
