Dad chases nude boy from daughter's room with pipe

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Darwin333

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Originally posted by: between
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Remember kids, being charged with something doesnt mean anything. I doubt anyone would convict. He'll plea to a lesser charge or it will be dropped.

what if the daughter was screaming, "Dad, don't bash him, he's my boyfriend!" and this prick went ahead and hit the kid on the head with a metal pipe..? if something like that happened, then this guy is a dangerous, controlling freak who represents a serious threat to the safety of children and they should really throw the book at him. :|

Or maybe he reacted like the avg. father would? Little bastard is lucky he didn't get shot.
 

moshquerade

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he got caught sneaking for in for teh nookie. i bet he got limp so quick that it tried to crawl back inside and hide.
 

racolvin

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Those of you taking the whole Dr. Spock (and no, not the one from Vulcan) approach to backseat parenting just crack me up. Even with the sketchy info from the article we know and can deduce the following:

1) It's 3-4am. Supposed to be "all quiet on the homefront" time
2) Father detects something amiss in the household at a time when all are supposed to be sound asleep - probably noise
3) Now in "protective mode", groggy from being awakened but apprehensive, father picks up the nearest weapon (pipe) to use on whatever the disturbance is, since "it" isn't supposed to be in his house at that ungodly hour.
4) Father goes tiptoeing in the house carrying his weapon, trying to determine what the source of the disturbance and what he may have to do to defend his family and property. Remember the hour and the heightened sense of defensiveness
5) As he nears his 15yr old daughters room (doesn't matter how old they get, they'll still be his "baby") and senses that's where the noise is coming from. Now there's no moaning and cry's of ecstasy, since the kids are trying not to get caught. For all the dad knows, his daughter is unconscious or bound and gagged. His adrenaline shoots up with the emotion of what could be happening to his baby girl and with the instinct to protect her and the rest of his family. Again, for all he knows this could be an Elizabeth Smart situation.
6) Dad bursts into the room brandishing the pipe, only to see a naked male figure standing on his daughters bed! It's quite probably dark with only moonlight or a nightlight to illuminate the room, so all he can see and think in this emotionally charged situation is "naked man, underage daughter - attack and defend!". Keep in mind that dad has NEVER met this boy before, so it's not like he has any sort of a chance of recognizing him and backing off, realizing the situation - this is a total stranger in his home, naked and standing on his daughters bed.
7) Dad reacts, pops the kid once (probably incapable of aiming in his emotional state, he just swings) and cracks the kid on the noggin whilst chasing him away from his baby girl and out of the house.

He might found out, through cries from his daughter, that this is her boyfriend that he never knew about but by that time the initial "assault" is over and the kid is outside naked and avoiding dad.

Now, having said all that, I defy ANY father to remain calm, cool, and collected when they wake up at 4am and hear noises to think "Oh, it's just my 15yr old daughter having sex with a boy I don't know .. I think I'll walk calmly down the hall and ask him to stop what he's doing and leave peaceably..."
 

NFS4

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For all of you against the dad, what would you have done? Sat down and talked with the kid?

Fuck that, if there's some naked dude in my daughter's room that I DON'T EVEN KNOW, he's in for a beatdown. Now if it had been my daughter's BF, and I knew him, I'd still be pissed, but I'd be more rational. But if he's a stranger, IT'S ON!
 

Squisher

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Originally posted by: OdiN
Does she own the house?

Nope.

You don't have kids, obviously. You would have a primal instinct to protect them, and that probably took over - caused by him TRESPASSING! If you don't have the permission of the property owner, it's trespassing.

I don't think the law comes down the way you're thinking it does. Although, the owner's wishes supersedes anything a resident of a house wants, I don't think you could be prosecuted for trespassing if any resident of a dwelling that could be deemed competent invites you in. If, on the other hand it becomes apparent that the owner does not wish you on the premises after being invited in by a resident, you are then required to leave.

By competent I mean those individuals that could be perceived able to make a decision to allow entry. Just because you could talk a three year old into letting you in you couldn't take that as permission to trespass.
 

racolvin

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Originally posted by: JujuFish
Originally posted by: racolvin
Even with the sketchy info from the article we know and can deduce the following:
Uh, no. You can't.

Uh, yea, as someone with a pregnant 17yr old (well, 18 now), I can arrive at this VERY easily.
 

JujuFish

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Feb 3, 2005
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Originally posted by: racolvin
Originally posted by: JujuFish
Originally posted by: racolvin
Even with the sketchy info from the article we know and can deduce the following:
Uh, no. You can't.

Uh, yea, as someone with a pregnant 17yr old (well, 18 now), I can arrive at this VERY easily.

You can arrive at it, but you can't deduce anything based on the information given.
 

racolvin

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Oh? Which parts don't seem correct from the information in the article? Based on what is generally known about human behavior (and I mean by a layman, not a dr. of psych), what about my breakdown is not a logical conclusion?
 

QueBert

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Originally posted by: Cogman
The kid was on his property uninvited and unannounced. If a burglar walks into your house You have a legal right to shoot him. What is the difference between that and the kid screwing the guys daughter? If someone enters your house but doesn't take anything it still looks pretty dang suspicious and you would get off if you shot at them.

Cracking the kid without warning may have been unwarranted (for the legal system to decide). But honestly this is a case of a break-in anyways.

you don't have a legal right to shoot an intruder in your house, not in California any ways. If you shoot a burglar you will get sued and have a good chance of loosing. You can only shoot if your life in in danger. That would constitute somebody having a gun or a knife, not just a person in your house without your permission.
 

Polish3d

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Originally posted by: dNor
Originally posted by: CrazyLazy
I read it as "Dad chases boy from daughter's room with pie"

I'd be so excited if someone was chasing me with cheesecake, which is a pie

Cheescake is not a pie, and if you disagree with me again, I slap your cheek with my unhanded glove and challenge you to a duel
 

Insomniator

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Interesting case, I would always agree with any force/acts taken against an intruder or tress passer but never thought about it this way.

This is ridiculous though, a parent can't just attack people that are in his/her childrens' rooms when that person was invited over...

He shoulda hit his daugher, its not the guys fault that the dad is insane.
 

racolvin

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Originally posted by: Insomniator
Interesting case, I would always agree with any force/acts taken against an intruder or tress passer but never thought about it this way.

This is ridiculous though, a parent can't just attack people that are in his/her childrens' rooms when that person was invited over...

He shoulda hit his daugher, its not the guys fault that the dad is insane.

The father didn't know the boy was "invited" - it was 4am and he had never seen the kid before
 

skyofavalon

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I think the dad should of snuck up to the daughters door and listened for a second to realise what was going on. Then set some boobie traps up for the next visit .

Like if he was climbing up a tree to the daughters window ,you could saw the branch that leads to the window 3/4 through.
 

Darwin333

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Originally posted by: QueBert
Originally posted by: Cogman
The kid was on his property uninvited and unannounced. If a burglar walks into your house You have a legal right to shoot him. What is the difference between that and the kid screwing the guys daughter? If someone enters your house but doesn't take anything it still looks pretty dang suspicious and you would get off if you shot at them.

Cracking the kid without warning may have been unwarranted (for the legal system to decide). But honestly this is a case of a break-in anyways.

you don't have a legal right to shoot an intruder in your house, not in California any ways. If you shoot a burglar you will get sued and have a good chance of loosing. You can only shoot if your life in in danger. That would constitute somebody having a gun or a knife, not just a person in your house without your permission.

I am thankful everyday that I do not live in Cali. My state passed Castle Doctrine so we do have the legal right to shoot a burglar regardless if he is armed or not AS WELL as protection from lawsuit when you do so. Obviously you can't take it to the extreme (shooting someone in the back who is running out the door) but other than that they are fair game. Not that this is relevant to this case but there are a lot of states that still allow you to protect your life and your property.
 

Chiropteran

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Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Remember kids, being charged with something doesnt mean anything. I doubt anyone would convict. He'll plea to a lesser charge or it will be dropped.

Unless he asks for legal advice on ATOT, in which case he will probably end up with death by lethal injection.
 

JulesMaximus

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Jul 3, 2003
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Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Originally posted by: between
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Remember kids, being charged with something doesnt mean anything. I doubt anyone would convict. He'll plea to a lesser charge or it will be dropped.

what if the daughter was screaming, "Dad, don't bash him, he's my boyfriend!" and this prick went ahead and hit the kid on the head with a metal pipe..? if something like that happened, then this guy is a dangerous, controlling freak who represents a serious threat to the safety of children and they should really throw the book at him. :|
Idiotic comment from someone who obviously doesn't have kids and especially a daughter.

1. The little punk knew damn well he wasn't supposed to be in that house, ESPECIALLY at 4am.

2. The dad didn't even know the daughter had a boyfriend, much less one that was inside HIS HOUSE at 4am, screwing his daughter.

3. It was 4am!! How coherent do you think the dad was when he got up at that hour? He finds some punk in his daughter's room, and runs his ass out of his house.

4. The punk's dad even agrees with me and the girl's dad. He didn't even want the cops to press charges.

5. You "what if"ing of stuff is irrelevant....we don't know if any of that happened.


edit: And yeah, any man is a "dangerous, controlling freak" for running some teenage punk out of his house at Four Fucking A.M. when he catches him screwing his daughter.
Not like they even had sense enough to do it after school, when the dad wasn't home....no, they had to do it while the parents were home. THAT is why there's an age of consent.....

None of that justifies assaulting the kid with a pipe. He could have easily killed that kid with his actions.

The story didn't say the boy's Dad didn't want to press charges, it said that they were contemplating whether or not they wanted to press charges.

kids that young don't have ANY sense and aren't capable of making these decisions on their own. They need someone else to do it for them.

You're out of your fucking mind if you believe that. They are capable of making these decisions. I was fooling around with girls at age 15 and had sex for the first time at age 16...with a 15 year old girl. You'd have to be naive as hell to think that kids can't make these decisions. They can and they do. All the time.
 

JulesMaximus

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Jul 3, 2003
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Oh, and what is with all these high and mighty asshats calling the girl a slut? They said the two had been boyfriend/girlfriend for over a year. I suppose you call your Mom or your girlfriend a slut too? How about your sister? Or your daughters? All sluts?
 

Pacfanweb

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Originally posted by: JulesMaximusNone of that justifies assaulting the kid with a pipe. He could have easily killed that kid with his actions.

The story didn't say the boy's Dad didn't want to press charges, it said that they were contemplating whether or not they wanted to press charges.

kids that young don't have ANY sense and aren't capable of making these decisions on their own. They need someone else to do it for them.

You're out of your fucking mind if you believe that. They are capable of making these decisions. I was fooling around with girls at age 15 and had sex for the first time at age 16...with a 15 year old girl. You'd have to be naive as hell to think that kids can't make these decisions. They can and they do. All the time.

Although Contreres' father said he wasn't sure whether he wanted to press charges, deputies took Colon to jail anyway.
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As of now, the boy's father still hasn't pressed any charges....as if he could.....again, a stranger naked in my daughter's bedroom is getting an ass-kicking.
I guarantee you these charges will be dropped.

And you obviously don't understand what I meant. Sure, kids that age certainly make decisions on their own to have sex, etc.
But they are NOT truly capable of doing so....they can't deal with the consequences, take care of themselves, etc....that's why there are laws regarding minors.
Come on...both the kids are so stupid that they were doing it when the parents were home.
That right there tells you they have no sense whatsoever.

So yes, they are physically capable, but they aren't mentally....which is what I meant.


 

mugs

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Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
As of now, the boy's father still hasn't pressed any charges....as if he could.....again, a stranger naked in my daughter's bedroom is getting an ass-kicking.
I guarantee you these charges will be dropped.

Who said he was a stranger? The article said the father didn't know the girl had a boyfriend. It doesn't say that the father didn't know the boyfriend.