Customer ignorance STRIKES BACK in 2001... TECH RANT!

jonnyGURU

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This guy had just purchased two Asus A7V boards and two Athlon 1.2 GHz CPUs.

He called and told his salesperson that they both only POSTed and then froze up.

The saleperson called me up and asked me what the problem could be.

Assuming that this guy MUST at least be competent enough to assemble a PC to the point where it would at least POST, I figured maybe it was the board revision and asked if it was actually POSTing at 1.2. The salesperson told me it was. I asked if the customer ever flashed the BIOS. I was told that the customer never got that far. That said, I told the salesperson that any further troubleshooting would have to be done mano y mano.

Apparently the customer didn't have time to call me back on my line, so he just opted to order two new boards. Being gun shy of the Asus at this point, he orders two MSI K7T Pro 2As.

The next day he receives his new product and calls me.

&quot;Yesterday I had two Asus boards that would POST but not boot and today I've got two MSI boards that don't even POST.&quot;

Immediately knowing who this guy was due to the fact that I NEVER have people calling us up claiming that they received TWO bad motherboards in one shipment, I started with the line of questioning.

&quot;First off sir, do you have the PC completely stripped down? In other words, no cards other than the video card and no IDE or floppy cables and only one stick of RAM.&quot;

&quot;Yes.&quot; he responded, &quot;Completely stripped. I always benchtest before I build. Matter of fact I haven't even bothered to put the fan on the CPU until I get it to POST.&quot;

&quot;OK. Sir,&quot; trying to refrain absolutely SCREAMING at the guy, &quot;you just FRIED both of those 1.2 GHz CPUs. You can not run a Socket A CPU for more than 3 to 5 seconds without frying it. Would you like to buy two more and try this again only this time around with a fan installed?&quot;

It seemed as if the customer didn't quite understand my frustration. &quot;I only had it running long enough to identify the CPU and count the RAM. That wouldn't kill a CPU, would it?&quot;

&quot;OK sir. If you'd like I can give you an RMA for your entire purchase. You'll only be hit with a small restocking fee, but I'm afraid we'll have to put your account on hold since supporting you in the future would be detrimental to the profitability of our company.&quot;
 

jonnyGURU

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Actually Optimus, I am. There is no real &quot;proof&quot; of physical damage (overheated CPUs look clean. It's not like he cracked the CPUs or anything) so the only &quot;evidence&quot; I have of this individual's ignorance is the conversation I had with him.

He could easily contest the transaction with his credit card company if I don't refund him. He can not contest a restocking fee, however.

Basically it's one of those, &quot;eat it and move on&quot; scenarios.
 

Zenmervolt

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I would never have imagined that the CPU temperature could climb to fatal levels within 3-5 seconds. Of course I also can't imagine a situation in which I would run a computer without the HSF because if I boot a computer, it's on for at least a half hour unless something goes wrong, but it is technically interesting that the heat buildup occurs in that short an amount of time.

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yakko

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<< Maybe he was blowing on them really hard. >>


Yeah he sounds like a blow hard alright.
 

ArkAoss

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thats as stupid as trying to run a cyrix 266 with out dual phase hydrogen slush cooling and wondering why it crashed. i used to have a cyrix 266, would not run under clocked without crashing even with a 20inch fan.. .. i know heat is bad
 

jonnyGURU

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Stark: LOL! Don't blow up that MSI, okay? Blow on it real hard! :p

Zenmervolt: Try it and let me know what happens! Actually, operating temperature is fatal. The CPU gets up to operating temperature as soon as it POSTs. It doesn't take much. And I HAVE done it myself (by accident, of course).

 

Optimus

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True...

will AMD take it back from you, or does your shop eat the cost and move on?
 

Zenmervolt

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I had no intent of trying it, I mean they sell HSFs for a reason. ;) I did think, however, that it was sort of like a radiator on a liquid cooled engine, the engine can run for 5-10 minutes without any coolant on a cold day, or 2-3 minutes without coolant on a hot day, but past that is asking for the thing to blow up. Again, it isn't something I'd want to do, but I'm pretty sure I could do it in an emergency. Glad to have found out the easy way that I was wrong.

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Windogg

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jonny, have you guys considered tape recording some of those calls?

I once ran a P3 without a heatsink for about 20 seconds and got a nice 1st degree burn for my troubles. I also had a nice SL44Y branded to my thumb after I tried to yank a P3 with a failed fan out of a mobo. :(

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jonnyGURU

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Optimus: Yeah. AMD will probably take it back. If you can't see any physical damage, then there is no way to know what happened.

Windogg: If they taped me, I'd be fired in a week.

thebestMAX: All of your components will be marked with a little blue &quot;X&quot;. ;)

PS: If the CPU has remnants of human skin left on the die, I may have a leg to stand on for refusing to refund this guy's money. ;)

Sssssssst! Youch!
 

BiggieN

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that's it...i am only buying from this store that you work at from now on. gimme a website and a phone number...;) i have computers to build and i am an idiot!
 

teknoid

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Maybe Anandtech should start a new forum for tech support people to vent. Call it &quot;idiocy of the day: or something like that.

Mine tend to be in the form of end user idiocy. Todays was... All of my documents are trashed! I look and notice that over 100 files in the &quot;My Documents&quot; folder were all .pdf's. Weird... thought I! Catch was Acrobat wouldn't open any of them. A few questions later and the user says... &quot;When I get a pdf file it always looks SOOO much better than what I create with MS Word so I renamed all of my files to PDF's. What's wrong with my computer? Can you fix it?

Out comes Glock 9mm... Scratch one user... (not really but it's fun to dream)
 

BiggieN

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lol @ teknoid.

hahaha...i just had to deal with that but it was my friend. he renamed all his files to .zip to save space on his hard drive...

so effectively he zipped up all his files without using a compression agent. lol. ;)
 

jonnyGURU

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WOW teknoid! That's more classic than anything I could ever come up with! :Q

 

teknoid

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I do network admin and user support for a small office (15 users) and do part time consulting and support for about a dozen other small networks (4 to 7 users). Believe me I hear some good ones.
 

jonnyGURU

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To me, they all say &quot;Hrmpmrpmrmh mpmrhmph mpmrrmmpmhrmmph....&quot;

That's only in the last couple years they started sounding like that. I think it's some new slang that translates into, &quot;I'm incompetant. Gimme an RMA.&quot;

 

Mday

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at least he knew enough to put processor on the motherboard. poor processors =(