Custom GTX 1070s up to 300W Power Target

[IEC]

Some custom GTX 1070s are projected to have up to a 300W maximum power target (200-240W more typical):

Source (PCGH.de):
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Nvidi...e-GTX-1070-Custom-Designs-Uebersicht-1198014/

My guess is the Founder's Edition cards got the chips with better power characteristics, and your average AIB custom card is going to use more power - and as we can see from this table, that can mean (theoretically) up to double the power.

Now, from the AIB custom 1080 reviews I've seen so far, better power delivery and higher max power doesn't seem to have improved max overclocks any, so it'll be interesting to see if that holds with custom 1070s - or if we can actually get more bang for the buck out of custom 1070 overclocking.

Do you think we'll see better OCs out of the custom cards?

 

[Headfoot]

I hope so, the 1070 is a lot more interesting than the 1080 to me personally. If aftermarket cards can sustain a 1.9ghz boost even, that will be pretty solid for $380-$400

 

[crisium]

Are there any reviews so far with Max OC 1070 even close to hitting the 225W barrier?

Seems better for 1080s.

 

[Mopetar]

They're going to need some good cooling solutions if they want to use that power. Trying to push beyond 2.1 GHz ran into a temperature ceiling for the FE cards for most reviewers.

 

[happy medium]

Are there any reviews so far with Max OC 1070 even close to hitting the 225W barrier?

Seems better for 1080s.

factory overclocked non founders Msi gtx1070 review (+100mhz) using 186 watts. 25 watts more than their founders edition gtx1070 check for yourself.
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_geforce_gtx_1070_gaming_x_review,30.html

 

[happy medium]

Do you think we'll see better OCs out of the custom cards?

yes , much better overclocks and under 250 watts.

 

[Sweepr]

In Guru3D's review MSI Gaming X only uses an extra 25W compared to FE, and that's under full stress testing. Hardware.info says it's 14W when gaming.

We noticed that the Gaming X 1070 did consumer a bit more power due to its tweaks and design, it was just over 180 Watts under full stress. That's OK though. Here again keep in mind we measure peak power consumption, the average power consumption is a good notch lower depending on GPU utilization

It also clocks higher and performs a bit better than Founder's Edition.

 

[RussianSensation]

Do you think we'll see better OCs out of the custom cards?

I doubt it. I seems on a bell curve, the vast majority (say 80%) of GP104 chips max out at 2025-2088mhz. JokerProductions 98.5% ASIC 1080 hit > 2100mhz peak but average clocks are roughly 2060-2088mhz Boost. Still amazing but nowhere close to the hyped BS 2.3-2.5Ghz air overclocks. I cannot find the article but I read one of the engineers who works for EVGA stated that it's not safe to operate 16nm TSMC GP104 silicon beyond 1.25V on air. The major benefits of AIB cards will be 0 dBA operation and lower noise levels. I can see some MSI Lighting, EVGA KingPIN or Galaxy HOF netting 2.2Ghz out of the most cherry-picked GP104 chips.

It also clocks higher and performs a bit better than Founder's Edition.

NV's TDP is a marketing gimmick. The average Joe who will buy GTX1070 will think all of them use 150W or less power and you know it. He'll never know that MSI Gaming 1070 uses almost 190W of power. The same thing happened last generation with GTX970/980 where people would quote 145W TPP 970 vs. 290-300W TDP R9 290 and infer real world power usage strictly from those TDP numbers

 

[IEC]

no peak gaming power draw in the techpowerup review was 154 watts.
and overclocked with default voltage for a 14% increase in performance.

Non founders editions will not need 250+ watts of power, this is fud at its finest and should be locked.

factory overclocked non founders Msi gtx1070 review (+100mhz) using 186 watts. 25 watts more than their founders edition gtx1070 check for yourself.
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_geforce_gtx_1070_gaming_x_review,30.html

And MSI cards have been using more power than other AIB partners, remember the MSI 390x used like 50 watts more than other 390's?

Having more power delivery available for overclocking is a GOOD thing (provided it actually yields better overclocks). Skynet BIOS being a solid example for the previous gen.

 

[96Firebird]

NV's TDP is a marketing gimmick. The average Joe who will buy GTX1070 will think all of them use 150W or less power and you know it. He'll never know that MSI Gaming 1070 uses almost 190W of power. The same thing happened last generation with GTX970/980 where people would quote 145W TPP 970 vs. 290-300W TDP R9 290 and infer real world power usage strictly from those TDP numbers

As is the same with almost every aftermarket card out there, from either camp. This is nothing new, nor a gimmick.

 

[IEC]

I doubt it. I seems on a bell curve, the vast majority (say 80%) of GP104 chips max out at 2025-2088mhz. JokerProductions 98.5% ASIC 1080 hit > 2100mhz peak but average clocks are roughly 2060-2088mhz Boost. Still amazing but nowhere close to the hyped BS 2.3-2.5Ghz air overclocks. I cannot find the article but I read one of the engineers who works for EVGA stated that it's not safe to operate 16nm TSMC GP104 silicon beyond 1.25V on air. The major benefits of AIB cards will be 0 dBA operation and lower noise levels. I can see some MSI Lighting, EVGA KingPIN or Galaxy HOF netting 2.2Ghz out of the most cherry-picked GP104 chips.

NV's TDP is a marketing gimmick. The average Joe who will buy GTX1070 will think all of them use 150W or less power and you know it. He'll never know that MSI Gaming 1070 uses almost 190W of power. The same thing happened last generation with GTX970/980 where people would quote 145W TPP 970 vs. 290-300W TDP R9 290 and infer real world power usage strictly from those TDP numbers

Well, we'll see. I wouldn't be surprised if 2.1GHz is close to hitting the limits of what is possible on early 16nm silicon, and I'm not surprised at the 1.25V limitation on air. But I'm waiting for reviews of some of the AIB custom cards with higher power targets/limits to see if the increased power headroom will at least partially overcome those limits.

And as is the case with my current card, I'm not afraid to overclock, overvolt, and AIO CLC liquid cool my graphics cards

 

[happy medium]

nvm trolled

 

[IEC]

I'm not interested in reference cards or power-limited boards, so please take your off-topic posting elsewhere.

This thread is purely for discussion of boards with increased power limits and what gains, if any, that leads to for overclocking.

 

[thilanliyan]

The average Joe don't care, but just in case he does.

quote:
"For this test, we measure the power consumption of only the graphics card via the PCI-Express power connector(s) and PCI-Express bus slot. A Keithley Integra 2700 digital multimeter with 6.5-digit resolution is used for all measurements. Again, these values only reflect the card's power consumption as measured at its DC inputs, not that of the whole system."

They are using Furmark for maximum power. Couldn't the card be purposely throttling during Furmark like a lot of other cards do?

 

[Kenmitch]

Now, from the AIB custom 1080 reviews I've seen so far, better power delivery and higher max power doesn't seem to have improved max overclocks any, so it'll be interesting to see if that holds with custom 1070s - or if we can actually get more bang for the buck out of custom 1070 overclocking. Do you think we'll see better OCs out of the custom cards?

I'm leaning towards better temps and possibly a little more OC headroom as far as sustainable overclocks go. The 2.1GHz overclock will be illusive and really depend on the silicon lottery.

 

[happy medium]

This thread is purely for discussion of boards with increased power limits and what gains, if any, that leads to for overclocking.

Are there reviews for this?
I think the Guru 3d review is the only 1070 non reference review.
SO I don't see a basis to form an non founders 1070 overclocking opinion.

Please explain, mabe I'm missing something.

 

[IEC]

Now, from the AIB custom 1080 reviews I've seen so far, better power delivery and higher max power doesn't seem to have improved max overclocks any, so it'll be interesting to see if that holds with custom 1070s - or if we can actually get more bang for the buck out of custom 1070 overclocking.

Do you think we'll see better OCs out of the custom cards?

Are there reviews for this?
I think the Guru 3d review is the only 1070 non reference review.
SO I don't see a basis to form an non founders 1070 overclocking opinion.

Please explain, mabe I'm missing something.

yes , much better overclocks and under 250 watts.

 

[happy medium]

"yes much better overclocks and under 250 watts"

Much better overclocks as its been with all non reference cards for years.
I used 250 watts because I don't see a 154 watt Nvidia card ever pulling more than 250 watts.

I think we are on the same page now.
We are all just guessing.

 

[Cookie Monster]

To be quite frank, all the overclocks matter primarily on the GPU itself. So even if the power circuitry has been beefed up, it will be useless with a GPU that doesn't clock that high.

So pretty much silicon lottery. It always has been and will be. Id be very envy of users with >2.1GHz clocks though..

 

[Mopetar]

To be quite frank, all the overclocks matter primarily on the GPU itself. So even if the power circuitry has been beefed up, it will be useless with a GPU that doesn't clock that high.

So pretty much silicon lottery. It always has been and will be. Id be very envy of users with >2.1GHz clocks though..

If Nvidia doesn't, one of the third party manufacturers will likely start binning chips until they have enough to launch a product with that level of guaranteed performance. The demand is definitely going to be there, but right now there's no reason to as you can sell any 1070 at marked up prices.