Cursed by Oil

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http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/09/opinion/09FRIE.html

By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN

Published: May 9, 2004

I visited the Japanese cellphone company DoCoMo in Tokyo 10 days ago. A robot made by Honda gave me part of the tour, even bowing in perfect Japanese fashion. My visit there coincided with yet another suicide bomb attack against U.S. forces in Iraq. I could not help thinking: Why are the Japanese making robots into humans, while Muslim suicide squads are making humans into robots?

The answer has to do in part with the interaction between culture and natural resources. Countries such as Japan, Korea, Taiwan and China have relatively few natural resources like oil. As a result, in the modern age, their first instinct is to look inward, assess their weaknesses, try to learn as much as they can from foreigners and then beat them at their own game. In order to beat the Westerners, they have even set aside many of their historical animosities so they can invest in each other's countries and get all the benefits of free trade.

The Arab world, alas, has been cursed with oil. For decades, too many Arab countries have opted to drill a sand dune for economic growth rather than drilling their own people ? men and women ? in order to tap their energy, creativity, intellect and entrepreneurship. Arab countries barely trade with one another, and unlike Korea and Japan, rarely invent or patent anything. But rather than looking inward, assessing their development deficits, absorbing the best in modern knowledge that their money can buy and then trying to beat the West at its own game, the Arab world in too many cases has cut itself off, blamed the enduring Palestine conflict or colonialism for delaying reform, or found dignity in Pyrrhic victories like Falluja.

To be sure, there are exceptions. Jordan, Qatar, Bahrain, Dubai, Morocco and Tunisia are all engaged in real experiments with modernization, but the bigger states are really lost. A week ago we were treated again to absurd Saudi allegations that "Zionists" were behind the latest bombing in Saudi Arabia, because, said Saudi officials, "Zionists" clearly benefit from these acts. Someone ought to tell the Saudis this: Don't flatter yourselves. The only interest Israelis have in Saudi Arabia is flying over it to get to India and China ? countries that actually trade and manufacture things other than hatred of "infidels."


The Bush team has made a mess in Iraq, but the pathologies of the Arab world have also contributed ? and the sheer delight that some Arab media take in seeing Iraq go up in flames is evidence of that. It's time for the Arab world to grow up ? to stop dancing on burning American jeeps and claiming that this is some victory for Islam.

One thing about countries like Singapore, Korea, Taiwan and Japan, they may not have deserts but they sure know the difference between the mirage and the oasis ? between victories that come from educating your population to innovate and "victories" that come from a one-night stand by suicidal maniacs like 9/11.

As I said, the Bush team has made a mess in Iraq. And I know that Abu Ghraib will be a lasting stain on the Pentagon leadership. But here's what else I know from visiting Iraq: There were a million acts of kindness, generosity and good will also extended by individual U.S. soldiers this past year ? acts motivated purely by a desire to give Iraqis the best chance they've ever had at decent government and a better future. There are plenty of Iraqis and Arabs who know that.

Yes, we Americans need to look in a mirror and ask why we've become so radioactive. But the Arabs need to look in a mirror too. "They are using our mistakes to avoid their own necessity to change, reform and modernize," says the Mideast expert Stephen P. Cohen.

A senior Iraqi politician told me that he recently received a group of visiting Iranian journalists in his home. As they were leaving, he said, two young Iranian women in the group whispered to him: "Succeed for our sake." Those Iranian women knew that if Iraqis could actually produce a decent, democratizing government it would pressure their own regime to start changing ? which is why the Iranian, Syrian and Saudi regimes are all rooting for us to fail.

But you know what? Despite everything, we still have a chance to produce a decent outcome in Iraq, if we get our eye back on the ball. Of course, if we do fail, that will be our tragedy. But for the Arabs, it will be a huge lost opportunity ? one that will only postpone their future another decade. Too bad so few of them have the courage to stand up and say that. I guess it must be another one of those "Zionist" plots.
 

etech

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Every once in awhile I have to agree with Friedman.

This is one of those times.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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A great tragedy is that much of the middle east has had tremendous wealth flowing in to it and it was squandered. Unfortunately most people in most oil producing countries see little benefit. The money finds it's way into the hands of the few, and the people benefit little if any.
 

zoiks

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I wonder if Friedman is jewish. I wonder if he has ever made a post in positive light of Arabs.
 

EXman

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Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
A great tragedy is that much of the middle east has had tremendous wealth flowing in to it and it was squandered. Unfortunately most people in most oil producing countries see little benefit. The money finds it's way into the hands of the few, and the people benefit little if any.

Those Palaces are for the People!!! ;)
 

Zephyr106

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Originally posted by: zoiks
I wonder if Friedman is jewish. I wonder if he has ever made a post in positive light of Arabs.

^

Take this Anti-Semite Infidel to Abu Ghraib!!!!!!!!!

Zephyr
 

MegaWorks

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the funny thing about this article is that guys like Friedman calls counties like Jordan, Qatar, Bahrain, Dubai, Morocco and Tunisia moderated!!!!!!!! in Bahrain politicians who disagree with the government are to be put in prison same thing with Jordan, Morocco and Tunisia. The reason why Friedman is calling these countries moderated!!! is because these countries have ties with Israel, and you accept Israel even if you're the biggest SOB on the planet it's ok!! If Saddam said that I support Israel 100% he would have been a moderated guy even if he committed the biggest crimes againts he's people.

this is how I see it

Mega
 

digitalsm

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Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
A great tragedy is that much of the middle east has had tremendous wealth flowing in to it and it was squandered. Unfortunately most people in most oil producing countries see little benefit. The money finds it's way into the hands of the few, and the people benefit little if any.

Once the world no longer depends on oil, the problems of the middle east will cease to exsist. Once the oil runs dry in the middle east, the middle east will be much like Africa. You can already see it in the non oil producing middle east countries.
 

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Originally posted by: MegaWorks
the funny thing about this article is that guys like Friedman calls counties like Jordan, Qatar, Bahrain, Dubai, Morocco and Tunisia moderated!!!!!!!! in Bahrain politicians who disagree with the government are to be put in prison same thing with Jordan, Morocco and Tunisia. The reason why Friedman is calling these countries moderated!!! is because these countries have ties with Israel, and you accept Israel even if you're the biggest SOB on the planet it's ok!! If Saddam said that I support Israel 100% he would have been a moderated guy even if he committed the biggest crimes againts he's people.

this is how I see it

Mega

Compared to the rest of the Arabs countries, they are moderate.

I see you are in the same, blame it all on the Jews mentality that seems so common. Don't you think that by actually facing their own internal problems instead of blaming them all on the Jews that Arab societies would be more advanced?
 

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Originally posted by: digitalsm
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
A great tragedy is that much of the middle east has had tremendous wealth flowing in to it and it was squandered. Unfortunately most people in most oil producing countries see little benefit. The money finds it's way into the hands of the few, and the people benefit little if any.

Once the world no longer depends on oil, the problems of the middle east will cease to exsist. Once the oil runs dry in the middle east, the middle east will be much like Africa. You can already see it in the non oil producing middle east countries.

I am not sure how having no money in the pockets of most people will change once they have no money. How will their troubles go away? Africa does not look too pretty in many places these days.

The middle east has a finite window of opportunity still. If it invests it's wealth into creating economic opportunities outside of oil, then it can do well, if not then things won't be roses for sure.
 

Genesys

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Originally posted by: zoiks
I wonder if Friedman is jewish. I wonder if he has ever made a post in positive light of Arabs.


what is there to say thats positive about Arabs? the only positive things I can think of are centuries old.

while i do agree with the article in its entirety, it could have dealt without the slight towords the Bush administration.
 

zephyrprime

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I am not sure how having no money in the pockets of most people will change once they have no money. How will their troubles go away? Africa does not look too pretty in many places these days.
I think he meant *our*problems with them.
 

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Originally posted by: etech
Originally posted by: MegaWorks
the funny thing about this article is that guys like Friedman calls counties like Jordan, Qatar, Bahrain, Dubai, Morocco and Tunisia moderated!!!!!!!! in Bahrain politicians who disagree with the government are to be put in prison same thing with Jordan, Morocco and Tunisia. The reason why Friedman is calling these countries moderated!!! is because these countries have ties with Israel, and you accept Israel even if you're the biggest SOB on the planet it's ok!! If Saddam said that I support Israel 100% he would have been a moderated guy even if he committed the biggest crimes againts he's people.

this is how I see it

Mega

Compared to the rest of the Arabs countries, they are moderate.

I see you are in the same, blame it all on the Jews mentality that seems so common. Don't you think that by actually facing their own internal problems instead of blaming them all on the Jews that Arab societies would be more advanced?

again I'm not "blame them on the jews mentality", of course I put the blame on these arabe governments I'm not defending them by any means. They're not doing any progress and refuse to give real human rights to their people, but that doesn't mean that Israel disagree with these governments. I think it's better for Israel that these nation say that way, because if these arabe nation grow they will become a threat to Israel security in the future and Israel doesn't what that!
 

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yup, a crutch that allows them to superficially enjoy the fruits of modernity without having to build a society that can produce any of it. it is the shield that keeps the world from really objecting to corruption and lack of basic human rights.

course they spend all their time diverting attention to the jews. 1% of the land...yes 1% of the land is responsible for all their ills:p ahah sad.
 

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Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
A great tragedy is that much of the middle east has had tremendous wealth flowing in to it and it was squandered. Unfortunately most people in most oil producing countries see little benefit. The money finds it's way into the hands of the few, and the people benefit little if any.

What benefits are you refering to?