Current Sr. Google Engineer Goes Public on Camera: Tech is "dangerous," "taking sides"

[brycejones]

Derail?

Most of this thread is just your buddies moaning about Project Veritas and complaining about a source rather than discussing a topic. Your first contribution to the thread was “Lol”. Glad we have you here playing Thread Cop though.

So serious question:

Are you going to discuss the validity of the information or just keep dodging it?

 

[Indus]

Tech now is just different - probably too different for those who giggle when they type gargle, fartbook & yearn for the days of black and white tv.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Just got home and watched the video, it was an extrodinarily dry exchange by someone who is a typical socially awkward nerd (the makeup of most posters on here tbh) and he gives his opinions on where Google is politically and the dangers he sees in it. Much have the thread had talked about how he doesn’t have evidence etc and yes that’s true, although this is simply a guy saying his opinion. OKeefe spins it as this gotcha fact bomb which it’s not.

I’m sure his opinions of the political makeup of google weren’t pulled out of thin air, his experience there led him to the opinions he holds. Does that influence the algorithms? I don’t know how it wouldn’t to some degree or another, it’s coded by humans and humans are imperfect. Even if people try their hardest, biases can and do still creep into things.

I do agree with his statement the danger it poses is the hidden nature of it. When watching Fox News you know it’s bias and it’s right there evidenced as such. For bias in Googles system whether it be which results it puts more weight towards, prepopulating certiain terms when typing out a search, what news sites fill its feed and when - these can all be much more hidden and so harder to tell the degree of influence they’re having over us.

Like I mentioned before, Google holds a very powerful sway over us, our economy, culture, and politics and I think whether it influences our elections one way or the other is certainly a conversation worth having.


Lastly for someone so worried about what I post and whether I 'derail' something, below is all of your posts in this thread. Not a single one addresses the substance of what the individual in the OP talks about.

LOL

Give him time, he just got the assignment. He needs to make his rounds first.

I believe long ago there was even an admission to that effect when he let something slip. Not going to bother to look it up though.

Did you watch the video? I also notice you aren't exactly responding to Amused's posts about it, if you are so concerned about "substance".

I thought for sure @Atreus21 was going to be back any time to respond to @Amused.

By his own admission the “source” has nothing.

But many people were talking about it so #truthiness.

Its only the company almost single handedly responsible for destroying downtowns in small cities across America.

So much this. But certain people are still very concerned.

In case you had forgotten this thread was about a story from a shitty outlet busted for lying multiple times previously quitting a guy who by his own admission has no evidence. Would you care to comment on that or are you going to derail down some rabbit hole after whining about no one taking the original story seriously.

Did you watch the video? Do you have anything to discuss based on facts from that video?

Lol

So serious question:
Are you going to discuss the validity of the information or just keep dodging it?

 

[JEDIYoda]

Just got home and watched the video, it was an extrodinarily dry exchange by someone who is a typical socially awkward nerd (the makeup of most posters on here tbh) and he gives his opinions on where Google is politically and the dangers he sees in it. Much have the thread had talked about how he doesn’t have evidence etc and yes that’s true, although this is simply a guy saying his opinion. OKeefe spins it as this gotcha fact bomb which it’s not.

I’m sure his opinions of the political makeup of google weren’t pulled out of thin air, his experience there led him to the opinions he holds. Does that influence the algorithms? I don’t know how it wouldn’t to some degree or another, it’s coded by humans and humans are imperfect. Even if people try their hardest, biases can and do still creep into things.

I do agree with his statement the danger it poses is the hidden nature of it. When watching Fox News you know it’s bias and it’s right there evidenced as such. For bias in Googles system whether it be which results it puts more weight towards, prepopulating certiain terms when typing out a search, what news sites fill its feed and when - these can all be much more hidden and so harder to tell the degree of influence they’re having over us.

Like I mentioned before, Google holds a very powerful sway over us, our economy, culture, and politics and I think whether it influences our elections one way or the other is certainly a conversation worth having.

Lastly for someone so worried about what I post and whether I 'derail' something, below is all of your posts in this thread. Not a single one addresses the substance of what the individual in the OP talks about.

Are you that brain dead to realize the person in the video does not deserve to be addressed!! None of this persons claims are valid! His track record before this video negates anything of worth that needs to be said!! Yet you keep on keeping on....lolol

 

[UglyCasanova]

Are you that brain dead to realize the person in the video does not deserve to be addressed!! None of this persons claims are valid! His track record before this video negates anything of worth that needs to be said!! Yet you keep on keeping on....lolol

We can still have a discussion about the issues touched upon in the video even if we ignore OKeefe or the guy in the vid.

 

[JEDIYoda]

We can still have a discussion about the issues touched upon in the video even if we ignore OKeefe or the guy in the vid.

The problem is the issues have no merit....
citing several responses --
commodus said - If a publication is verified to be consistently and maliciously dishonest, as Project Veritas is, you don't trust it.
DrDoug said -- He slices and dices his videos to fit his narrative, which brings in the bottom-feeders like yourself to suck it up and shit it all over the place.
Amused said --
m, he works on language recognition for Google. That's it. That is the scope of his job. He has no part in policy or algorithms for Google despite his claims.

He's being oversold and his opinion held as "expert" when it is anything but. It is merely an alt-right opinion of someone who happens to work for Google OUTSIDE of any policy making portion of Google.

Nope. More Project Veritas Shens.

Note: The bulk of the video is intended to evoke an emotional response and sow distrust.

His portion is small, and is only claims. Backed up with no evidence whatsoever. Just him saying stuff.

Note this is exactly the stuff of every conspiracy theory video. And this video has just as much credibility as any conspiracy video.

Claims are not evidence.

The logic of the right-wing is wholly lacking any, and I mean any ability to determine what is, and is not credible and the difference between claims, and actual, factual objective evidence. They are, in point of fact, a conspiracy theory cult.

Now do we need to go on??? The bottom line is you cannot discuss a topic that has been manipulated -- ie the video!!
You cannot dsiscuss a subject that a known liar has set himself up to be an expert!
So as everyone else haa tried to tell you -- umm no!!

 

[zinfamous]

wow, so another lying thread predicated only on lies, and this is what the Trumpsters have mastered dragging into more than 125 posts now. ...all on pure, shameless lies.

lol. what a bunch of fucksticks. as you know that a single response from a Trumpster about the lies in the OP is just pure nonsense.

Trump called for an investigation into the Obamas for their book deals today. This is a guy who, just 2 days ago, was testified to Congress to be an indictable multi-felon, without question. He then squirrels his way to the untrustable blackies, because the racists that support him, like Slow and Taj and IGTTTSG and what not will fucking love it. By Monday, you will all be forced to swallow your laxative.

lol. can you fucking believe that? Yet another impeachable offense right there. Talk about outright abuse of power. Watch the TDS retards like IGTTTSG and Slow defend that motherfucking fascist shit.

 

[zinfamous]

We can still have a discussion about the issues touched upon in the video even if we ignore OKeefe or the guy in the vid.

nope. because there are no issues raised. fuck off, dingleshit.

 

[DrDoug]

When watching Fox News you know it’s bias and it’s right there evidenced as such.

Only if you are aware of the truth or willing to seek it, otherwise you are swallowing the load you are being fed. The rest of your spiel can be dismissed because I think racists, sexists, misogynists and other assholes don't really need to be listened to, especially when it comes to them being banned by a business. As I have told you too many times already, if people want to join these places and participate then they better read the terms and conditions. Those terms and conditions are what you live by when you patronize a business. If you don't follow them, you're out. These businesses have made the decision that they don't want to host the kind of shit that's bad for business that certain people insist on dragging in. You can argue all you want about their influence but the only influence I see them having is hopefully on racists and getting them to shut their mouths if they want to socialize with others on that platform. It's really that simple and yet you don't seem to understand how this works. More likely you're just being willfully ignorant so you can have an argument.

Don't be an asshole and you get to participate. Be an asshole and you're out. Again, it's that simple.

 

[Skel]

They are intentionally ignoring facts (which is why they're intentionally ignoring the facts you're presenting). They always are. Granted they also don't understand, but they know they don't understand but that other people do and so they intentionally try to spread this nonsense because its just noise for them to scream about. They do it every single time there's a big shit show with Republicans. Its not even meant for people like you or me, its meant for the other morons to stay overwhelmed with nonsense so that they'll be unable to let things like the President being a rapist of young teenage girls, or him having committed crimes (that have very likely led to him committing outright treason) sink in. They genuinely think liberals are doing the same thing so they feel no remorse for it.

I don't think this is some part of some 'look at the Wookie' strategy. I think this is another outlet trying to make it's money by saying "you can't trust them. You only can trust us" and selling whatever controversy they can sell.

We can still have a discussion about the issues touched upon in the video even if we ignore OKeefe or the guy in the vid.

I'm not against a discussion but you'd have to show that they're doing something worth talking about. As it stands the only things that's happened is people claiming it's happening. Give me some real proof and I'll be more than happy to talk about it. otherwise we'd just be tilting at windmills

 

[cytg111]

You are not a credible arbiter of truth let alone have any claim on "critical thinking" after tens of thousands of articles on a russian conspiracy theory from your supposed "credible media" driving thousands of posts on here and it just blew up in your face yesterday as it inevitably would.

That clip does not show what you think it does. I know what you get out of it, it feel good to laugh at an old man? Some of those question had double triple negatives, it was obvious interferrence by members of the mafia party. Good job.

Also, tech giants influence on elections... Lets work our way down the ladder, that means starting with Fox news. Fox news is outright fabricating lies and stomp em into the brains of its audience. Start with Fox.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Have you ever set foot in a Walmart? It’s the absolute dredge of society and everything you just mentioned and so much more takes place in them every single day.



For those arguing about Walmart vs Google yes Wally World is big and has definitely had a huge effect on transforming the country but I don’t think you’re really getting the point (probably on purpose),

Google is one of if not the most important gatekeeper of human knowledge, commerce, and communications. Walmart peddles Chinese junk. They’re both large corporations but one is drastically more important to each of us and society as a whole.

Yes I have, nearly weekly even to shop. Weirdly I almost never encounter any of the shit that people claim Wal-Mart is like (that's not to say its perfect or I have no problem with aspects of how they run their business). That's odd because I've literally never seen any of that shit happen in a Wal-Mart in my entire life. Yet I've seen that type of behavior from you on this forum so regularly that sorry but thanks for the laugh. I'll take Wal-Mart shoppers over you, as at least there's a chance they'll be decent human beings whereas I already know that you're an irredeemable piece of shit.

Yeah, talk about not getting the point. If you're not doing it on purpose then you really are a special kind of stupid. This is not a difficult concept, and yet here you are struggling mightily in showing just how stupid you can in fact go at every given opportunity.

And? You think that should enable you and your right wing buds to spread racist, literal fucking rape and death threats? Plus, give me cheap Chinese junk over lies, white supremacist ideology, and Russian propaganda from people like you every, single, day.

You conservative dumbfucks are getting kicked off of shit because you can't help just being hateful miserable fucking pieces of absolute worst shit that humanity has to offer. And then you cry like the biggest goddamned babies ever when anyone dares to call you out for your shit. You can keep believing your lies if you want, but you can fuck right off if you think anyone else should have to put up with it.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Because critical thinking means evaluating the trustworthiness of a source, including its history. And Project Veritas has a confirmed, longstanding reputation for lying and willfully misrepresenting subjects, one that's maintained here.

Besides, I don't think we should give any legitimacy to the OP's views. He's parroting the same old lie that internet companies are silencing conservatives purely for their ideology... and not what's actually happening, that they're largely being kicked off for their behavior (bots, fake news, inciting harassment, hate speech).

They cry censorship, but what they really want is a 'right' to be an asshole in someone else's space, and these companies are telling them "no."

Yep. O'Keefe cried wolf but got caught trying to make his girlfriend make rape accusations, edit video to try and spread lies, and a bunch of other abhorrent behavior. There's reason to actively distrust this clown.

Here's the thing, some of them are, but its because they chose to make hate, lies, and threats an integral part of their ideology.

Absolutely. They're trying to make other people accept their hate and help them to spread it and make it the norm.

I don't think this is some part of some 'look at the Wookie' strategy. I think this is another outlet trying to make it's money by saying "you can't trust them. You only can trust us" and selling whatever controversy they can sell.



I'm not against a discussion but you'd have to show that they're doing something worth talking about. As it stands the only things that's happened is people claiming it's happening. Give me some real proof and I'll be more than happy to talk about it. otherwise we'd just be tilting at windmills

Oh, I'm not talking about Project Veritas and O'Keefe (he's simply a liar that thinks he's justified to lie because he's consumed nothing but right wing propaganda and had his not exactly abundance of brains turned into just absolute shit) with that, but people like ugly cassanova, the OP, and the other idiots that keep doing this behavior where when some new big story comes up revealing just how awful Republicans are, they then start pushing a bunch of bullshit stories about the same tired bullshit and has been explained to them repeatedly why its bullshit. Hell half the time they don't even try to actually spin a new angle, instead just spouting the same old lies and bullshit trying to have people treat it like its legitimate by just constantly spouting the same lies and nonsense.

I have zero doubt that Google has manipulated search results. I certainly don't trust them and I do think they need to be investigated and possibly regulated. But I sure as shit do not have a problem with them deliberately trying to prevent the spread of lies, misinformation, and shit like white supremacist rhetoric. I have plenty of problems with Facebook, but again, them banning people like Alex Jones and their acolytes over their attempt at spreading lies (and lots of harassment, hate speech, and threats) is not one of them. The reason why they almost certainly disproportionately are taking action against right wingers is because right wingers have chosen to make hate, abuse, and lies fundamental to their ideology.

 

[brycejones]

Just got home and watched the video, it was an extrodinarily dry exchange by someone who is a typical socially awkward nerd (the makeup of most posters on here tbh) and he gives his opinions on where Google is politically and the dangers he sees in it. Much have the thread had talked about how he doesn’t have evidence etc and yes that’s true, although this is simply a guy saying his opinion. OKeefe spins it as this gotcha fact bomb which it’s not.

I’m sure his opinions of the political makeup of google weren’t pulled out of thin air, his experience there led him to the opinions he holds. Does that influence the algorithms? I don’t know how it wouldn’t to some degree or another, it’s coded by humans and humans are imperfect. Even if people try their hardest, biases can and do still creep into things.

I do agree with his statement the danger it poses is the hidden nature of it. When watching Fox News you know it’s bias and it’s right there evidenced as such. For bias in Googles system whether it be which results it puts more weight towards, prepopulating certiain terms when typing out a search, what news sites fill its feed and when - these can all be much more hidden and so harder to tell the degree of influence they’re having over us.

Like I mentioned before, Google holds a very powerful sway over us, our economy, culture, and politics and I think whether it influences our elections one way or the other is certainly a conversation worth having.


Lastly for someone so worried about what I post and whether I 'derail' something, below is all of your posts in this thread. Not a single one addresses the substance of what the individual in the OP talks about.

3 things:

1. There never was any substance.
2. I didn't come into the thread bitching about how it wasn't being discussed but was it was a very important subject that had to be addressed. (While admitting in the very same original post you hadn't watched it).
3. At the point you started your whining Amused had already provided a very detailed response of why the OP was bull shit but you chose to ignore that and instead post multiple times while remaining ignorant as fuck about what was actually in the OP..

But hey thanks for you concern about me.

 

[umbrella39]

wow, so another lying thread predicated only on lies, and this is what the Trumpsters have mastered dragging into more than 125 posts now. ...all on pure, shameless lies.

lol. what a bunch of fucksticks. as you know that a single response from a Trumpster about the lies in the OP is just pure nonsense.

Trump called for an investigation into the Obamas for their book deals today. This is a guy who, just 2 days ago, was testified to Congress to be an indictable multi-felon, without question. He then squirrels his way to the untrustable blackies, because the racists that support him, like Slow and Taj and IGTTTSG and what not will fucking love it. By Monday, you will all be forced to swallow your laxative.

lol. can you fucking believe that? Yet another impeachable offense right there. Talk about outright abuse of power. Watch the TDS retards like IGTTTSG and Slow defend that motherfucking fascist shit.

They are allowed to continue to tag in new Concern Troll after another to perpetuate their LIES.

That is all modern day conservatives do anymore, LIE. I'm wondering why UC never addressed the fine points he was challenged to refute in POST #57

All of this "concerns" were answered here yet he ignores this post and still pretends to be the victim... Fuck him.

It's because he's a bitch troll...

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

We can still have a discussion about the issues touched upon in the video even if we ignore OKeefe or the guy in the vid.

nah, go faux concern elsewhere dingus

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I’m suspicious of a guy who *I believe* said he was retired who posts shit tons of video.
Guys who are old enough to be retired don’t post shot tons of YouTube videos. Young dudes do that, particularly dudes who work in a troll factory.

All of OPs posts look like a marketing person did them. Video to optimize google search results, simple sentences to draw views to the video which then makes it more prominent in google search results.
I don’t know enough about the wording but it wouldn’t surprise me if the chosen words Drive search results too.

 

[JEDIYoda]

OrooOroo and UglyCassanova work in the same building and preobably even have lunch together!
From the looks of things, it would appear as if they have an agenda that is not based on fact or truth!
The only good thing is we all get to increase our post counts!! lolol

 

[brycejones]

OrooOroo and UglyCassanova work in the same building and preobably even have lunch together!
From the looks of things, it would appear as if they have an agenda that is not based on fact or truth!
The only good thing is we all get to increase our post counts!! lolol

Underoos is almost certainly a paid troll UC is just your average willfully ignorant, useful idiot conservative.

 

[Amused]

I'm going to post this again.

Because the entire premise of the video is contrived and a baseless conspiracy theory, it is not worthy of discussion.

The broader subject of private censorship is summed up as this:

The first amendment limits the government from restricting your speech. It does NOT entitle you to a platform or the use of someone else's PRIVATE property to carry your speech.

The irony of the supposedly free market conservatives whining about the free market rejecting them and their hatred and bigotry and then doubling down and claiming that rejection is a "violation of their free speech" is not lost on those with more than a double digit IQ.

Free of any government intervention or force, the free marketplace of ideas, publishers and social media platforms along with advertisers have all ROUNDLY rejected the far right-wing messages of bigotry and racism.

In point of fact, the ONLY way for the right-wing to secure a different outcome is to TAKE AWAY the freedom of someone else. To force private property owners to carry their message against their will. To force advertisers to advertise against their will. To force venue holders to host against their will.

Irony. Pure Irony.

 

[fskimospy]

So now that once again Project Veritas has been shown to be deceptive trash do we really need to have the conversation about why it's not a valid source next time?

I'm sure the answer is yes, sadly.

 

[brycejones]

So now that once again Project Veritas has been shown to be deceptive trash do we really need to have the conversation about why it's not a valid source next time?

I'm sure the answer is yes, sadly.

Yes, and even after it’s debunked certain very concerned people will keep whining about the lack of debate on the merits because this time is “special” while not actually viewing the material.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Underoos is almost certainly a paid troll UC is just your average willfully ignorant, useful idiot conservative.

I don't agree, or he has been part of a long running setup for that. He started raging about women like a decade ago (that I can remember, I remember him running around calling people "white knights" because they dared say that Tiger Woods' wife deserved a good chunk of money after he was caught fucking sex workers behind her back), and has been descending further and further ever since.

 

[JSt0rm]

rooroo is a russian sympathizer. All these right wingers are either dumb as fuck or grifting on peoples stupidity. All the boomers were worried about what would happen to us for playing video games but nobody stopped to think what the internet would do to the boomer brain.

 

[Jhhnn]

rooroo is a russian sympathizer. All these right wingers are either dumb as fuck or grifting on peoples stupidity. All the boomers were worried about what would happen to us for playing video games but nobody stopped to think what the internet would do to the boomer brain.

That's obviously not exclusive to Boomers. Boomers have just been exposed to a lot more corrosive right wing propaganda over time than younger people. That and the long term deteriorating economic condition of the middle class has worn them down, made them more susceptible to demagoguery.