Current Geforce Owners, Fix that Crappy 2D NOW!!!

[OneOfTheseDays]

ok, i know this is pretty much old news but for everyone complaining about the geforce 2D, it can be fixed.

LINK

On this forum, email a guy named kbk. He will do the mods for 20-30 bucks. That is practically nothing, it is the cost of a computer game. So quit yer bitchin and save yer pennies and get it fixed.

 

[damocles]

a) its still $20-$30 to fix a problem that shouldnt exist. I was shocked when my MX was much worse than my TNT2. We have a right not to be happy
b) i assume it invalidates any warranty on the card?

 

[AdamK47]

$20 to $30 for something that is free?

I'm assuming that those who pay $20 to $30 for this are really ignorant of circuit design. Removing the RFI circuitry will clear up the picture, but will cause distortion if anything that generates enough radio interference gets close to the card. If I were to pay $20 to $30 I would want the person to tune the circuitry instead of ripping it off the card. I pity those people who actually did this.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Ok, first of all the guy who does the mods can tune the filters at your request. Second, I have yet to see any interference cause noise. Plus, the people who request mods done by this guy are the people over at the AVSFORUM. That is audio-visual-science forum. These people are hometheater freaks and they settle for nothing less than the best. They own fat ass front projectors and thousand dollar systems that blow away anything most of us have seen They would not ever get a mod if it allowed for interference to occur, the mods that this guys does are 100% safe and are proven to work.

 

[shabby]

<< These people are hometheater freaks and they settle for nothing less than the best. They own fat ass front projectors and thousand dollar systems that blow away anything most of us have seen. >>



Yet they buy video cards that apperantly display fuzzy text? lol

 

[dawheat]

heh well you know one's born every minute

 

[Leo V]

Arg, that Creative MX to which I'm downgrading better have acceptable 2D quality...urk...grunt...won't...take...excuse...that...16-bit desktop color...is...sufficient...urk...ack...

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

well actually the reason they choose the geforce is because it allows for many custom resolutions that other cards do not offer. The flexibility of the geforce is what makes it a such a popular card.

 

[RoboTECH]

sooooo....I should pay $20, give my video card to someone I don't know, let him f*** around with it and void the warranty, then pray he sends it back to me?

WTF?

Why not get a Radeon or 5500 and avoid all that menagerie from the get-go?

 

[hans007]

why dont you just sell the gts on egay and buy a voodoo5 or a radeon? if you really care about 2d like i do, and some others here, the insignificant 20-25% framerate loss really is insignificant at the speeds these cards run, its like 150 or 120 mph, is not worth this hassle. that and my voodoo4 can run 1280x960, 1152x864, 720x480, 720x576, 960x720 and 1600x1024. How many more wierd resolutions are there? I think the only reason one would buy a geforce2 now, who isn't a wacko penis measurer is someone running 3ds max, and then again if you were serious about that you'd have a dual glint anyways.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

yeah i know, im gonna sell my gf2 for 160 and get a v5 for 130.

 

[Mem]

WOW! there does seem alot of Geforce bashing in this forum ,so I thought I give my Input on the subject, when I upgraded my CL TNT card to Geforce2 MX the first thing I noticed was how much sharper my Geforce2 MX was compared to my old TNT card in 2D mode,also I`m a hardcore gamer &amp; have been using Nvidia based card since TNT1 days(before this a Voodoo1 card)with no problems gaming wise or driver wise,I`m not a die hard Nvidia or 3dfx fan but as long as I get 100% satisfaction from my card I`m happy, I`m sure there are other people out there just like me,It does seem lately that 3Dfx fans here are going in for more flamming then ATi/Nvidia &amp; Matrox fans put together.

I won`t bother putting the merits of each type of card in here being there will be Members here always Biased to a particular brand so why waste my time,anyway I`m one happy owner since all my games work great with no driver problems &amp; clear image on my 19&quot; CTX, so as I said I`m a very happy gamer.

 

[RobsTV]

Yep, same here.
Just wanted to add to the list of GeForce owners that have no 2d problems whatsoever.
Just as good, (if not better), than the 18 month old, highly aclaimed 2d, of the V3 3000 it replaced.

flame suit on, as I said something good about nVidia

 

[Leo V]

Speaking of NVIDIA and 2D quality...I'm temporarily using an NVIDIA Riva 128ZX with my 19&quot; screen. Amazing 2D performance for the time...if not 3D, hehe

 

[Leo V]

Wait a second!!

Read the thread title. Can you see the marketing slogans, &quot;Presenting 2Dnow! Technology&quot; at the unveiling of the NV20?

 

[snow patrol]

lol Leo.

In fact - is there a quality difference, 2d wise, between 16bit and 32bit desktop settings with Geforce cards? I run my desktop at 16bit any way..

Anyone?

 

[merlocka]

I think I will de-lurk here.

I have a reference GTS. I don't think my particular card has as poor 2D that others complain about, although I get some &quot;ghosting&quot; when I use my Linksys KVM switch at high resolutions. I thought perhaps the output filters on my card were designed poorly (as the article suggests) so I took all the components off, measured them, and simulated the filter via HP ADS.

I have all the plots, component values, and my updated filter values in a file here at work, I'll try posting it somewhere.

Summary:

The simulation of measured filter values looked pretty poor, and had a cutoff at around 150MHz (a bit too low based on theoretical bandwidths for 1280x1024x85Hz and above). I then modified the filters to obtain a flat response out to 250MHz (I was hesitant to short the filters as described in the article, who knows what VHF/UHF crap those chips will spit into your monitor).

Results? None. 2D looked the same without the KVM switch (recall that my card doesn't have blurry text.... it's as &quot;unblurry&quot; as a GTS can get). Still see the same ghosting with the KVM probably an impedance issue since the KVM cables are pretty long.

I repeated this with an older TnT card I had lying about. It's original filter was wide enough to begin with. I modified it to flatted the passband a bit, but noticed no improvements in its somewhat blurry text at 1280x1024xwhatever_it_can_do

My conclusions?
Without having a card that was excessively blurry, I can't really draw a conclusion. The RGB output filters would have to be seriously misaligned to blur the text since my GTS filters were already rolling off at 150MHz and I could run my GTS at 1600x1200x75Hz with decent (not a g400, but equal to my V3 on my Viewsonic G790) performance.

I do know that the TnT blurriness wasn't due to the filters.

 

[bluemax]

I'll add my two bits.
A year ago I was running my CL TNT1.... not bad. I replaced it with a Voodoo3-3500TV and loved its super-sharp quality text. I later replaced THAT with an ASUS V7100 Geforce2 MX. Blecch... text was fuzzy on everything from 1024x768 up. Not abysmal, but a far, far cry from the 2D I was used to. 800x600 was tolerably equal.
Gimme' that Voodoo5!
I'll never buy another nVidia card again until they can totally fix that 2D. I might have kept the MX if I got the ELSA GLADIAC MX I'd originally ordered... I hear they really did a good job on the 2D, and even included drivers as good as the G400!

 

[NforSa]

I have had generic TNT2's look hopeless (blurring at anything over 1024) but my Diamond Viper V770U never had any problems, and neither does my Asus V7100 GF2MX

 

[Varborta]

Let me add my 2 cents

I am rather surprised that a PROGRAM is able to tune up a 2d quality. Wonder if the Nvidia mighty drivers can eventually fix it up...
I dont really think the 2d is bad is actually pretty acceptable to me. However, if I put my GTS up against G200 by Matrox I can tell the difference in 2d. Matrox is better.

 

[merlocka]

If you are referring to my post above, the HP ADS didn't directly tune up the 2d. It allowed me to simulate the response of the filter on the RGB outputs of the card. From this data I synthesized new filter component values to replace the values on my card. From which, I noticed little difference in the 2D of my Geforce (which I already find to be acceptable).