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EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Is it Fox News or commentators on the Fox network.
Are the commentators urging the death of people.

The delineation is critical.

What is the difference then compared to people who are claiming that video games incite people to kill, etc.

Then you have the fake wrestling that has encouraged children to act out what is seen; causing death.

All three scenarios occur - how do you draw the line and where?

I don't see what meaningful distinction there is between fox news and the commentators on fox news when there doesn't seem to be any attempt at curbing the hate filled rhetoric. I mean, before Glenn Beck, they already had batshit insane commentators, so by bringing in Beck, it's obvious that Fox News' view is, 'the crazier, the better'.

The comparison to video game doesn't fit... there isn't any actual evidence that video games caused violence, whereas you have these nuts making videos and making statements like this:

?The future looks bleak,? the ex-soldier lamented. ?I?m absolutely fed up! So I thought I?d do something good for this country ? kill Democrats ?til (sic) the cops kill me.?

With what he believed to be his last pen strokes, Jim David Adkisson urged other suicidal soldiers against the ?liberalism that?s destroying America? to leave their own trail of carnage behind.

?I?d like to encourage other like-minded people to do what I?ve done,? Adkisson wrote. ?If life ain?t worth living anymore, don?t just kill yourself. Do something for your country before you go. Go kill liberals.?

And the fake wrestling thing has nothing to do with going on a murder spree. It's just a bunch of dumb kids acting out a 'sport' they see on TV.

There is a large distinction between the news and commentary. Similar to a news paper where you have the editorials & reader comments vs the actual news articles.

W/ respect to the comment on video games and fake wrestling - people will imitate what they see on the screen.
There are reports of people killing others and/or themselves based on video games that they have become addicted to. People have duplicated scenarios - loss of reality. Asia is a prime reported examples. I am not one to state that such games should be banned -

There have been children killed when a friend attempts to imitate the wrestling moves that have been shown on TV.

Where does the line get drawn?

 

OrByte

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"Also, it looks like Dr. Tiller, who some call Tiller the Baby Killer, is spending a large amount of money in order to get Mr. Morrison elected. That opens up all kinds of questions," said O'Reilly on Nov. 6, 2006,

June 12, 2007, he said, "Yes, I think we all know what this is. And if the state of Kansas doesn't stop this man, then anybody who prevents that from happening has blood on their hands as the governor does right now, Governor Sebelius."

Three days later, he added, "No question Dr. Tiller has blood on his hands. But now so does Governor Sebelius. She is not fit to serve. Nor is any Kansas politician who supports Tiller's business of destruction. I wouldn't want to be these people if there is a Judgment Day. I just -- you know ... Kansas is a great state, but this is a disgrace upon everyone who lives in Kansas. Is it not?"


Very provocative language. If I was Tiller's family I would be upset. But OReilly can't be blamed for Tiller's death anymore than the mailman that delivered Tillers mail that morning.

OReilly was just doing what comes natural, being a douche. If there are dumbfvcks out there that want to follow Oreilly's word then, while unfortunate, not his fault.
 

IamDavid

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I often wonder if people like you actually believe the crap you post or if you just do it for the shock factor.. In either case I'm not sure which is more pathetic.. Sorry..
 

OrByte

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
The Unabomber was a big fan of Gore and the Democrats.

Is it fair to say that Tiller's murderer is a big fan of GWB and Cheney?
 

spittledip

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From what I have seen of Fox news, the OP is giving them way too much credit. FN is just silly entertainment for people who like to get all wound up.
 

ZeGermans

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Originally posted by: spittledip
From what I have seen of Fox news, the OP is giving them way too much credit. FN is just silly entertainment for people who like to get all wound up.

far right republicans aren't mentally stable and have questionable grasp on reality. They take it seriously and kill.
 

MikeyLSU

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and I bet you defend video games when people say "video games" made them kill people...lol you have problems if you believe this stuff.
 

Wheezer

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Originally posted by: Phokus
For some reason there is denial on the right that the right is being influenced by violent rhetoric and carrying out terrorist acts against the American people (save for a few examples like Arkaign, see sig below). Based on the recent events listed below, how can you deny that Fox News has at least created an atmosphere of hate and violence that may have influenced rightwing nutjobs to carry out terrorist acts? For the party that seemingly cares about the safety of your average american from terrorist acts, the right has been amazingly silent on the issue.

The question is, how many more will die by fox news inspired rightwing terrorists? And what will fox news do to rein in violent rhetoric to prevent these terrorist acts?

Richard Poplawski, the man who allegedly murdered three Pittsburgh cops, was influenced by Fox News's Glenn Beck.
Monday, April 6, 2009

In the Obama era, Jones' conspiracy theories have graduated to primetime on Fox News. And radicals like Poplawski are tuning in. Indeed, according to the Anti-Defamation League, the alleged killer posted a YouTube clip to Stormfront of top-rated Fox News host Glenn Beck contemplating the existence of FEMA-managed concentration camps. ("He backed out," Poplawski wrote cryptically beside the video.) Three weeks later, Poplawski posted another Youtube clip to Stormfront, this time of a video blogger advocating "Tea Parties," or grassroots conservative protests organized by Beck and Fox News contributor Newt Gingrich (see here and here) against President Barack Obama's bailout plan.

http://www.alternet.org/rights...h_cop_killer%27s_rage/

Bill O'Reilly, Michael Savage, Sean Hannity on accused shooter's reading list
4-page letter outlines frustration, hatred of 'liberal movement'
July 28, 2008

Police found right-wing political books, brass knuckles, empty shotgun shell boxes and a handgun in the Powell home of a man who said he attacked a church in order to kill liberals "who are ruining the country," court records show.

Knoxville police Sunday evening searched the Levy Drive home of Jim David Adkisson after he allegedly entered the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church and killed two people and wounded six others during the presentation of a children's musical.

Adkisson targeted the church, Still wrote in the document obtained by WBIR-TV, Channel 10, "because of its liberal teachings and his belief that all liberals should be killed because they were ruining the country, and that he felt that the Democrats had tied his country's hands in the war on terror and they had ruined every institution in America with the aid of media outlets."

It was a simple plan, he wrote, borne out of hopelessness but rooted in patriotism.

?The future looks bleak,? the ex-soldier lamented. ?I?m absolutely fed up! So I thought I?d do something good for this country ? kill Democrats ?til (sic) the cops kill me.?

With what he believed to be his last pen strokes, Jim David Adkisson urged other suicidal soldiers against the ?liberalism that?s destroying America? to leave their own trail of carnage behind.

?I?d like to encourage other like-minded people to do what I?ve done,? Adkisson wrote. ?If life ain?t worth living anymore, don?t just kill yourself. Do something for your country before you go. Go kill liberals.?

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2...uilty-letter-released/


April 6th, 2008 - "Beck: Only way to stop ?bloodsuckers? like Obama is to ?drive a stake through the heart?


http://www.salon.com/news/feat...5/31/tiller/index.html

SALON - May 31, 2009 | When his show airs tomorrow, Bill O'Reilly will most certainly decry the death of Kansas doctor George Tiller, who was killed Sunday while attending church services with his wife. Tiller, O'Reilly will say, was a man who was guilty of barbaric acts, but a civilized society does not resort to lawless murder, even against its worst members. And O'Reilly, we can assume, will genuinely mean this.

But there's no other person who bears as much responsibility for the characterization of Tiller as a savage on the loose, killing babies willy-nilly thanks to the collusion of would-be sophisticated cultural elites, a bought-and-paid-for governor and scofflaw secular journalists. Tiller's name first appeared on "The Factor" on Feb. 25, 2005. Since then, O'Reilly and his guest hosts have brought up the doctor on 28 more episodes, including as recently as April 27 of this year. Almost invariably, Tiller is described as "Tiller the Baby Killer."

Tiller, O'Reilly likes to say, "destroys fetuses for just about any reason right up until the birth date for $5,000." He's guilty of "Nazi stuff," said O'Reilly on June 8, 2005; a moral equivalent to NAMBLA and al-Qaida, he suggested on March 15, 2006. "This is the kind of stuff happened in Mao's China, Hitler's Germany, Stalin's Soviet Union," said O'Reilly on Nov. 9, 2006.

O'Reilly has also frequently linked Tiller to his longtime obsession, child molestation and rape. Because a young teenager who received an abortion from Tiller could, by definition, have been a victim of statutory rape, O'Reilly frequently suggested that the clinic was covering up for child rapists (rather than teenage boyfriends) by refusing to release records on the abortions performed.

When Kansas Attorney General Phill Kline, an O'Reilly favorite who faced harsh criticism for seeking Tiller's records, was facing electoral defeat by challenger Paul Morrison, O'Reilly said, "Now we don't endorse candidates here, but obviously, that would be a colossal mistake. Society must afford some protection for viable babies and children who are raped." (Morrison ultimately unseated Kline.)

This is where O'Reilly's campaign against George Tiller becomes dangerous. While he never advocated anything violent or illegal, the Fox bully repeatedly portrayed the doctor as a murderer on the loose, allowed to do whatever he wanted by corrupt and decadent authorities. "Also, it looks like Dr. Tiller, who some call Tiller the Baby Killer, is spending a large amount of money in order to get Mr. Morrison elected. That opens up all kinds of questions," said O'Reilly on Nov. 6, 2006, in one of many suggestions that Tiller was improperly influencing the election.

Tiller's excuses for performing late-term abortions, O'Reilly suggested, were frou-frou, New Age, false ailments: The woman might have a headache or anxiety, or have been dumped by her boyfriend. She might be "depressed," scoffed O'Reilly, which he dismissed as "feeling a bit blue and carr[ying] a certified check." There was, he proposed on Jan. 5, 2007, a kind of elite conspiracy of silence on Tiller. "Yes, OK, but we know about the press. But it becomes a much more intense problem when you have a judge, confronted with evidence of criminal wrongdoing, who throws it out on some technicality because he wants to be liked at the country club. Then it's intense."

Tiller, said O'Reilly on Jan. 6 of this year, was a major supporter of then-Gov. Kathleen Sebelius. "I think it's unfairly characterized as just a grip and grin relationship. He was a pretty big supporter of hers." She had cashed her campaign check from Tiller, "doesn't seem to be real upset about this guy operating a death mill, which is exactly what it is in her state, does she?" he asked on July 14 of last year. "Maybe she'll -- maybe she'll pardon him," he scoffed two months ago.
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This is where it gets most troubling. O'Reilly's language describing Tiller, and accusing the state and its elites of complicity in his actions, could become extremely vivid. On June 12, 2007, he said, "Yes, I think we all know what this is. And if the state of Kansas doesn't stop this man, then anybody who prevents that from happening has blood on their hands as the governor does right now, Governor Sebelius."

Three days later, he added, "No question Dr. Tiller has blood on his hands. But now so does Governor Sebelius. She is not fit to serve. Nor is any Kansas politician who supports Tiller's business of destruction. I wouldn't want to be these people if there is a Judgment Day. I just -- you know ... Kansas is a great state, but this is a disgrace upon everyone who lives in Kansas. Is it not?"

This characterization of Tiller fits exactly into ancient conservative, paranoid stories: a decadent, permissive and callous elite tolerates moral monstrosities that every common-sense citizen just knows to be awful. Conspiring against our folk wisdom, O'Reilly says, the sophisticates have shielded Tiller from the appropriate, legal consequences for his deeds. It's left to "judgment day" to give him what's coming.

O'Reilly didn't tell anyone to do anything violent, but he did put Tiller in the public eye, and help make him the focus of a movement with a history of violence against exactly these kinds of targets (including Tiller himself, who had already been shot). In those circumstances, flinging around words like "blood on their hands," "pardon," "country club" and "judgment day" was sensationally irresponsible.

Bill O'reilly also fantasizes about getting his hands around Tiller

you're an idiot.
 

TheSkinsFan

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I thought video games, hip hop, and other aspects of a violent pop culture were the problem? No?

The Blame Game sure is fun, isn't it?

:roll:
 

umbrella39

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Originally posted by: BarrySotero
Fox news is pretty tame stuff. They could do a lot better. Still they are crushing lib channels - even lots of the libs watch it.
Al Qeads used to quote Dems in their videos - you know - the parts where Dems said Iraq war was lost (as Dems hoped) and slandered the troops. AQ was very encouraged by Democrats. Presently all the nut jobs in the world are again encouraged by weakness from the Dems and Obama. Indeed, Obama seems to not even care what they do and clearly has sympathy for Islamic terrorists. However many eventually get killed in US and Israel and Iran (which Obama is forcing an attack on) its going to be gobs load more than "6" - not that I blame any TV/radio people for that

Again, please get your old account back. This one is even more full of shit than the last. Kthxbai.
 

Robor

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Originally posted by: BarrySotero
I actually don't disagree with a lot of what you said Arkaign so you've overshot on the reply. No matter what the reasons for attacks (which are never justified anyway) Obama's policies of "strength through vulnerability" or "walk softly and without a stick" is dumb. All the manics know Obama is a tool. Now he's telling FBI to backoff investigating Islamic terror converts after a week where one killed soldiers and 4 more were arrested in New York. The Clinton's also ignored Islamic terror to focus more on things like incinerating kids at Waco - and so we finally had 9-11. Obama and the Marxocrats are more lethal than global warming will ever be. They have huge egos that conjure up a death wish as the go to war with reality as they "think" it is rather than "how" it is. Right now America is disintegrating and Obama and Dems are pushing it over a cliff while the average lug thinks they are trying to save it. Poor people.

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Originally posted by: Craig234
We do have to tread carefully on the issue of free speech. Today it's condemning a fox commentator for contributing to the murder of an abortion doctor, and tomorrow it's putting Michael Moore in jail if anyone in his films gets killed by a viewer. People could easily have killed, say, Karl Rove, and it wouldn't mean the criticisms were inappropriate.

A number of right-wingers actually have called for prosecuting war opponents as traitors.

So, we need to criticize the fringes, but not the merely passionate and even misguided.

nuff said
 
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Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Is it Fox News or commentators on the Fox network.
Are the commentators urging the death of people.

The deliniation is critical.

What is the difference then compared to people who are claiming that video games incite people to kill, etc.

Then you have the fake wrestling that has encouraged children to act out what is seen; causing death.

All three scenarios occur - how do you draw the line and where?

I don't see what meaningful distinction there is between fox news and the commentators on fox news when there doesn't seem to be any attempt at curbing the hate filled rhetoric. I mean, before Glenn Beck, they already had batshit insane commentators, so by bringing in Beck, it's obvious that Fox News' view is, 'the crazier, the better'.

The comparison to video game doesn't fit... there isn't any actual evidence that video games caused violence, whereas you have these nuts making videos and making statements like this:

?The future looks bleak,? the ex-soldier lamented. ?I?m absolutely fed up! So I thought I?d do something good for this country ? kill Democrats ?til (sic) the cops kill me.?

With what he believed to be his last pen strokes, Jim David Adkisson urged other suicidal soldiers against the ?liberalism that?s destroying America? to leave their own trail of carnage behind.

?I?d like to encourage other like-minded people to do what I?ve done,? Adkisson wrote. ?If life ain?t worth living anymore, don?t just kill yourself. Do something for your country before you go. Go kill liberals.?

And the fake wrestling thing has nothing to do with going on a murder spree. It's just a bunch of dumb kids acting out a 'sport' they see on tv.

You fucking cherry pick what suits your agenda and fail to see all sides of it. You say there is no evidence that links video games with acts of violence, Two thirds of those aged between 12 and 15 said that violence in games had more of an impact on behaviour than violence in television or films
Boy kills parents over video game
GTA linked to murder of 2 police officers


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