Cupcake-gate, the latest school anti-gun worry

cubby1223

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http://news.yahoo.com/school-confiscates-third-grader-cupcakes-topped-toy-soldiers-215018982.html
http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarne...tes-cupcakes-decorated-with-toy-soldiers.html

A Michigan elementary school is defending its decision to confiscate a third-graders batch of homemade cupcakes because the birthday treats were decorated with plastic green Army soldiers.

Casey Fountain told Fox News that the principal of his son’s elementary school called the cupcakes “insensitive” — in light of the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut.
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Principal Susan Wright released a statement to local media defending the decision.

“These are toys that were commonplace in the past,” she wrote. “However, some parents prohibit all guns as toys. In light of that difference, the school offered to replace the soldiers with another item and the soldiers were returned home with the student.”

Don't even know what to make of it anymore. Something is seriously wrong with this country.
 

CPA

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Common sense is lost in this country. Plain and simple.
 

Genx87

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We took thinking out of education. This is the result. What do army soldiers have to do with Sandy Hook?
 

piasabird

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Being a soldier is patriotic. It is an honorable vocation to fight for the freedom of your country.

Meanwhile sex education and homosexual sensitivity training is perfectly acceptable.
 

boomerang

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Remember that these are the people that are teaching our kids...

How much of what is going on is not making the evening news?
 

KB

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Disney World has people dressed up as toy soldiers with guns in its amusement park because of the Toy Story movies and I have never heard any complains there. I don't think any parent really cares about Army soldiers.
 

Geosurface

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In addition to kneejerk paranoia, and nanny-state pussydom... this is also tied in with the continuing effort to basically criminalize being male. To criminalize being a boy, in particular.

Since the 60's this country has gone out of it's way to stop teaching boys in the way boys learn, and now we have a crisis as a result. Boys are falling behind in education, and instead of reversing this course we are shoveling more coal into the engine... full steam ahead.

Let's eliminate any sort of contact sports or Dodgeball or anything like that... let's act like boys roughhousing is Holocaust Part II - let's suspend boys for chewing poptarts into gun shapes or playing "my finger is a gun, pow pow!" with one another... or bringing cupcakes with the time honored green army men on top...

Let's emasculate our society's males more and more... and then wonder why we have so many fatherless kids turning into directionless thugs whose only male role models are on TV.

Masculinity can either be guided and expressed in a healthy way, or fought, bottled up, and then come out in a very unhealthy way later.

Hell, as much as I think bullying sucks, even all this anti-bullying could be lumped into this "criminalization of being male" thing - I think bullying can sometimes be absolutely vile, but then again... when this country still had a set of balls, 50 years ago or so... some might have even viewed bullies as a good learning opportunity for kids to stand up to themselves. Perhaps that is simplistic... but perhaps bullying has gotten more toxic because it's practitioners have received less direction in channeling their masculinity, and it's targets have been wussified even more than was the case in the past.

Just some thoughts here.
 

Smoblikat

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In addition to kneejerk paranoia, and nanny-state pussydom... this is also tied in with the continuing effort to basically criminalize being male. To criminalize being a boy, in particular.

Since the 60's this country has gone out of it's way to stop teaching boys in the way boys learn, and now we have a crisis as a result. Boys are falling behind in education, and instead of reversing this course we are shoveling more coal into the engine... full steam ahead.

Let's eliminate any sort of contact sports or Dodgeball or anything like that... let's act like boys roughhousing is Holocaust Part II - let's suspend boys for chewing poptarts into gun shapes or playing "my finger is a gun, pow pow!" with one another... or bringing cupcakes with the time honored green army men on top...

Let's emasculate our society's males more and more... and then wonder why we have so many fatherless kids turning into directionless thugs whose only male role models are on TV.

Masculinity can either be guided and expressed in a healthy way, or fought, bottled up, and then come out in a very unhealthy way later.

Hell, as much as I think bullying sucks, even all this anti-bullying could be lumped into this "criminalization of being male" thing - I think bullying can sometimes be absolutely vile, but then again... when this country still had a set of balls, 50 years ago or so... some might have even viewed bullies as a good learning opportunity for kids to stand up to themselves. Perhaps that is simplistic... but perhaps bullying has gotten more toxic because it's practitioners have received less direction in channeling their masculinity, and it's targets have been wussified even more than was the case in the past.

Just some thoughts here.

Im not sure you can fully grasp how much I agree with you.

Being bullied is a part of growing up, if you dont get taught how to stand up for yourself when a teacher and hundreds of your peers are down the hall, how are people supposed to defend themselves when they are alone on the streets.
 

Geosurface

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Im not sure you can fully grasp how much I agree with you.

Being bullied is a part of growing up, if you dont get taught how to stand up for yourself when a teacher and hundreds of your peers are down the hall, how are people supposed to defend themselves when they are alone on the streets.

Thanks.

I realize now that I typo'd: I meant "stand up FOR themselves" not "to themselves"

Anyway... maybe there's an analogy here to how we used to have a real frontier in this country, and people living in areas that weren't fully civilized or paved yet... and they would have to contend with real dangers like wolves, etc.

Now all the wolves are gone, and the world is a safer place for it. But it's also a poorer, less interesting place for it.

Maybe we'll manage to get rid of all the bullies in elementary schools, but maybe we'll unknowingly be depriving kids of important developmental opportunities for when they stand up to that bully, and it boosts their confidence.

I don't know. I hate to be the guy defending bullying. I'm not sure about this, just brainstorming.

But I think there was a time in this country when we had a lot of men who were the heads of their households, and were stern and firm in their discipline and in they had clarity about how that household would run. Sometimes they seemed, to their children or their wives, like hard asses who were uncaring and unfeeling. Many of their kids would grow up to later deeply appreciate how important that firm hand was in learning important life lessons.

And think about the number of movies we've all watched where the kid standing up to the bully is an absolutely integral part of his "hero's journey" and self-esteem building. I know those are movies... but this was a reality for a lot of kids.

We dismantled fatherhood and took away all the power fathers had, we replaced them with the government. Women know now that keeping a husband/father around is entirely optional. They can boot him to the curb, deny him access to his children... and still get his money, and/or money from society in general. Women are biologically programmed to seek a stronger mate, and a better provider. I believe government is now tricking their instincts into thinking IT is a mate and a provider.

So we've feminized our society, and turned over the reigns to women... we've let them set the tone about what sort of behaviors are acceptable, and they usually don't understand what sort of things are important and necessary for male development. It's like society has become one big over-protective mom who won't let her kid go outside and play, and wont' let him have any fun toys because they're dangerous.

Women, god bless 'em... are fantastic. But they don't often understand masculinity. They also are too cautious, and males aren't cautious enough! They have to be pushing against one another in order for the correct, happy medium to be achieved. Women aren't getting much pushback form men in the west anymore... men got pushed over and aren't getting back up.

So yea, we'll try to coat the world in a soft Nerf foam... and try to eliminate all the bad things and bad people, and then we'll wonder why we're all dissatisfied with our lives, unfulfilled and on anti-depressants.

Women miss real men, and men miss BEING real men.
 

ShawnD1

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Hell, as much as I think bullying sucks, even all this anti-bullying could be lumped into this "criminalization of being male" thing - I think bullying can sometimes be absolutely vile, but then again... when this country still had a set of balls, 50 years ago or so... some might have even viewed bullies as a good learning opportunity for kids to stand up to themselves. Perhaps that is simplistic... but perhaps bullying has gotten more toxic because it's practitioners have received less direction in channeling their masculinity, and it's targets have been wussified even more than was the case in the past.
The official stance on bullying is making the country worse. Instead of teaching the victim to fight, or simply expelling the bully, nothing is done because we don't want to hurt the bully's feelings. I remember one recent documentary/story about bullying where the kid being interviewed starts being bullied while they are filming. There's absolutely no negative consequence for bullying, so the bully can push people around while adults are nearby and the event is being recorded. If the bullied kid brings a knife to school and stabs the bully, the media will always defend the bully. I've never heard anyone on TV say "yeah well he was a bit of a douche so he deserved to get stabbed" even though that probably is true most of the time.

It really brings attention to the differences between male and female approaches to running a society. The male approach is very intolerant and often relies on ordered ranking, like military ranks. Trouble makers like bullies go to the bottom of male society before being written off as a total loss. Expel the bully then don't worry about him because he becomes someone else's problem. The female approach is much more inclusive. Trouble makers like bullies are never written off. They are never kicked out of the group. There is always someone who thinks it's possible to fix that person

You can see this difference just by talking to men and women you know. Bring up a topic that someone cares a lot about and wait for someone to say "those people should be executed." Is it a man or a woman who is the first to suggest killing people who don't fit into society? Test it for yourself.
 

Brovane

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If the person stands up to the bully they then get punished by the school.
 

Geosurface

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It really brings attention to the differences between male and female approaches to running a society.

I personally believe that a female-style society has some nice short term benefits to it, but has a very short lifespan.

I think a male-style society has some harsh aspects which are unfortunate but most of these have silver linings which sometimes are hard to see, and that most importantly, a male-style society can go on indefinitely. With the only serious threat to its long term viability being that it might BECOME a female-style society.

If the world were a utopia and everyone simultaneously committed to the female model together, it might work. Maybe. This is if human nature were perfect and it isn't.

I believe eventually the west will return to a male-run society. The only question is, will it be its own males reclaiming it, or males from the outside taking it over?
 

Howard

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Being a soldier is patriotic. It is an honorable vocation to fight for the freedom of your country.

Meanwhile sex education and homosexual sensitivity training is perfectly acceptable.
Agree on the first point.

What's wrong with the other stuff?
 

Orignal Earl

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Thanks.


Women miss real men, and men miss BEING real men.

The time you spend trying to figure out why your so feminine and who is to blame for it, is just time your wasting.
If you had started on a family you would probably would not be here crying about this
 

Geosurface

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The time you spend trying to figure out why your so feminine and who is to blame for it, is just time your wasting.
If you had started on a family you would probably would not be here crying about this

Earl I very rarely see you post at anything above a junior high level.

Why is that?

You seem to have a very closed mind. You won't entertain any arguments or viewpoints which aren't within your liberal comfort zone... but I thought liberals valued tolerance and open-mindedness? Or is that just a catch phrase applied very narrowly and selectively?
 

Orignal Earl

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Earl I very rarely see you post at anything above a junior high level.

Why is that?

You enjoy things like typing.. I don't

You seem to have a very closed mind. You won't entertain any arguments or viewpoints which aren't within your liberal comfort zone... but I thought liberals valued tolerance and open-mindedness? Or is that just a catch phrase applied very narrowly and selectively?


You posted yesterday that you know that you think and process info different then most people you know.
I was encouraged that you at least can see that and it's a step towards your recovery
If you wanted to come over this afternoon and sit and chat about this, my door is open to anyone
 

sm625

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Don't even know what to make of it anymore. Something is seriously wrong with this country.

The schools are run by a death cult. Everything is a ritual with them.

"Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible. Even if all are miserable, all will believe themselves happy, because the government will tell them that they are so."
-Bertrand Russell, The Impact of Science on Society p50, 1953

The culture of death forms a cloud of dark energy around these schools. And as the damage they do to the minds of innocents increases, the dark energy drawn in also increases. That is what is drawing all this absurd behavior, from the plastic gun confiscations all the way up to the mass slaughter events.

I do not know why the western mind is almost willfully blind to these energies I mentioned. I'm one of the most analytical skeptically minded people there are, and I can clearly see that what is going on here cannot be explained any other way. The answers are there. Unless you give a serious look to the occult aspect of all this, you will be left shaking your head wondering what the hell is going on.
 

cubby1223

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We really are teaching our children to be afraid of the world. Don't handle anything on your own. Find someone else to handle the appropriate situation.

Kids who can no longer play outside in the neighborhood because it is unsafe (despite statistics that say it is safer today than in decades past).

On the talk radio today here came up a discussion on leaving kids in the car while the parent runs into a convenient store for a minute - had one mother call in with total concern in her voice over the possibility that even for that brief minute a bad guy could easily approach the car and shoot the kid dead with a gun! People have these concerns, that any time their child is not within sight, this is an opportunity for a bad guy to shoot the child with a gun.

It goes even further, it is seen a lot with a few of the guys of this forum, take a situation, imagine the worst possible scenario that could happen, and assume that scenario will happen regardless of the historical statistics that say it is highly improbable to the point that it is not worth concerning over.
 

Geosurface

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Unless you give a serious look to the occult aspect of all this, you will be left shaking your head wondering what the hell is going on.

Occult? lol.

No, I'm quite sure that good (but very misguided) intentions are quite adequate to explain what's going on.