Cuba? It was great, say boys freed from US prison camp

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Cuba? It was great, say boys freed from US prison camp

James Astill meets teenagers released from Guantanamo Bay who recall the place fondly

Saturday March 6, 2004
The Guardian

Asadullah strives to make his point, switching to English lest there be any mistaking him. "I am lucky I went there, and now I miss it. Cuba was great," said the 14-year-old, knotting his brow in the effort to make sure he is understood.
Not that Asadullah saw much of the Caribbean island. During his 14-month stay, he went to the beach only a couple of times - a shame, as he loved to snorkel. And though he learned a few words of Spanish, Asadullah had zero contact with the locals.

He spent a typical day watching movies, going to class and playing football. He was fascinated to learn about the solar system, and now enjoys reciting the names of the planets, starting with Earth. Less diverting were the twice-monthly interrogations about his knowledge of al-Qaida and the Taliban. But, as Asadullah's answer was always the same - "I don't know anything about these people" - these sessions were merely a bore: an inevitably tedious consequence, Asadullah suggests with a shrug, of being held captive in Guantanamo Bay.

On January 29, Asadullah and two other juvenile prisoners were returned home to Afghanistan. The three boys are not sure of their ages. But, according to the estimate of the Red Cross, Asadullah is the youngest, aged 12 at the time of his arrest. The second youngest, Naqibullah, was arrested with him, aged perhaps 13, while the third boy, Mohammed Ismail, was a child at the time of his separate arrest, but probably isn't now.

Tracked down to his remote village in south-eastern Afghanistan, Naqibullah has memories of Guantanamo that are almost identical to Asadullah's. Prison life was good, he said shyly, nervous to be receiving a foreigner to his family's mud-fortress home.

The food in the camp was delicious, the teaching was excellent, and his warders were kind. "Americans are good people, they were always friendly, I don't have anything against them," he said. "If my father didn't need me, I would want to live in America."

Asadullah is even more sure of this. "Americans are great people, better than anyone else," he said, when found at his elder brother's tiny fruit and nut shop in a muddy backstreet of Kabul. "Americans are polite and friendly when you speak to them. They are not rude like Afghans. If I could be anywhere, I would be in America. I would like to be a doctor, an engineer _ or an American soldier."

This might seem to jar with the prevailing opinion of Guantanamo among human rights groups. An American jail on foreign soil, Guantanamo was designed, according to Amnesty International, to deny prisoners "many of their most basic rights", which in America would include special provision for the "speedy trial" of juveniles. But, seized in the remotest wilds of violent Afghanistan, the boys knew practically nothing of their rights, and expected less.

They were also unaware that the American defence secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, had described Guantanamo's inmates as "hard-core, well-trained terrorists" and "among the most dangerous, best-trained, vicious killers on the face of the Earth."

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gsaldivar

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Good article!

Compare this to how our POWs were treated by the Iraqis...

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It's kind of disturbing that we put a 12 year old kid in Guantanamo....but good to hear that it was alright for him.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: GrGr
Cuba? It was great, say boys freed from US prison camp

James Astill meets teenagers released from Guantanamo Bay who recall the place fondly

Saturday March 6, 2004
The Guardian

Asadullah strives to make his point, switching to English lest there be any mistaking him. "I am lucky I went there, and now I miss it. Cuba was great," said the 14-year-old, knotting his brow in the effort to make sure he is understood.
Not that Asadullah saw much of the Caribbean island. During his 14-month stay, he went to the beach only a couple of times - a shame, as he loved to snorkel. And though he learned a few words of Spanish, Asadullah had zero contact with the locals.

He spent a typical day watching movies, going to class and playing football. He was fascinated to learn about the solar system, and now enjoys reciting the names of the planets, starting with Earth. Less diverting were the twice-monthly interrogations about his knowledge of al-Qaida and the Taliban. But, as Asadullah's answer was always the same - "I don't know anything about these people" - these sessions were merely a bore: an inevitably tedious consequence, Asadullah suggests with a shrug, of being held captive in Guantanamo Bay.

On January 29, Asadullah and two other juvenile prisoners were returned home to Afghanistan. The three boys are not sure of their ages. But, according to the estimate of the Red Cross, Asadullah is the youngest, aged 12 at the time of his arrest. The second youngest, Naqibullah, was arrested with him, aged perhaps 13, while the third boy, Mohammed Ismail, was a child at the time of his separate arrest, but probably isn't now.

Tracked down to his remote village in south-eastern Afghanistan, Naqibullah has memories of Guantanamo that are almost identical to Asadullah's. Prison life was good, he said shyly, nervous to be receiving a foreigner to his family's mud-fortress home.

The food in the camp was delicious, the teaching was excellent, and his warders were kind. "Americans are good people, they were always friendly, I don't have anything against them," he said. "If my father didn't need me, I would want to live in America."

Asadullah is even more sure of this. "Americans are great people, better than anyone else," he said, when found at his elder brother's tiny fruit and nut shop in a muddy backstreet of Kabul. "Americans are polite and friendly when you speak to them. They are not rude like Afghans. If I could be anywhere, I would be in America. I would like to be a doctor, an engineer _ or an American soldier."

This might seem to jar with the prevailing opinion of Guantanamo among human rights groups. An American jail on foreign soil, Guantanamo was designed, according to Amnesty International, to deny prisoners "many of their most basic rights", which in America would include special provision for the "speedy trial" of juveniles. But, seized in the remotest wilds of violent Afghanistan, the boys knew practically nothing of their rights, and expected less.

They were also unaware that the American defence secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, had described Guantanamo's inmates as "hard-core, well-trained terrorists" and "among the most dangerous, best-trained, vicious killers on the face of the Earth."

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Coming from Afghanistan I bet even Podunk Indiana would look good to him
 
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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: GrGr
Cuba? It was great, say boys freed from US prison camp

James Astill meets teenagers released from Guantanamo Bay who recall the place fondly

Saturday March 6, 2004
The Guardian

Asadullah strives to make his point, switching to English lest there be any mistaking him. "I am lucky I went there, and now I miss it. Cuba was great," said the 14-year-old, knotting his brow in the effort to make sure he is understood.
Not that Asadullah saw much of the Caribbean island. During his 14-month stay, he went to the beach only a couple of times - a shame, as he loved to snorkel. And though he learned a few words of Spanish, Asadullah had zero contact with the locals.
Coming from Afghanistan I bet even Podunk Indiana would look good to him
you are probably right, my concern now is that we don't want to encourage people to be terrorists just to get our fine Cuban hospitality :Q
 

sMiLeYz

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Maybe we need to put more kids from the middle east there! I'm also pretty sure they treat the adult hardcore Al Qaeda members a bit differently during interrogation...
perhaps more people and kids would understand that we'll misunderstood and misguided well-intentioned people we would be in the toilet of world opinion.
 

sMiLeYz

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Originally posted by: Crimson
Wow.. coming from the Guardian too..

You have to take the things you read from it with a bit of salt, the Guardian is a known liberal mouthpiece thats part of the global liberal conspiracy to bad mouth America.
 

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Coming from Afghanistan I bet even Podunk Indiana would look good to him
Red, I'm in podunk Indiana; as far as I'm concerned, this place is the prison.:p
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: ViRGE
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Coming from Afghanistan I bet even Podunk Indiana would look good to him
Red, I'm in podunk Indiana; as far as I'm concerned, this place is the prison.:p
LOL, I'll have to take your word on it since I've never been to Indiana. I'm sure there are those who think it's great. I have yet to hear from any of them but I'm sure they exist:)

 

rahvin

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: ViRGE
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Coming from Afghanistan I bet even Podunk Indiana would look good to him
Red, I'm in podunk Indiana; as far as I'm concerned, this place is the prison.:p
LOL, I'll have to take your word on it since I've never been to Indiana. I'm sure there are those who think it's great. I have yet to hear from any of them but I'm sure they exist:)

Think of Merced with lousy ass weather all the time. Super hot in the summer, super cold in the winter and the wind never stops blowing. Add in a big splash or redneck and fundemental christian attitudes and remove all diversity for good measure and you should be able to picture indiana.
 

Czar

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that is all good and I bet their parents are just feeling great now after thinking they were dead for the last two years
 

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Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
Originally posted by: Crimson
Wow.. coming from the Guardian too..

You have to take the things you read from it with a bit of salt, the Guardian is a known liberal mouthpiece thats part of the global liberal conspiracy to bad mouth America.

I am very interested in your comment about the global liberal conspiracy. As you may know, I am currently researching this phenomenon and hope to write a book about it. Do you have any explicit facts or references on hand that shed light on this disturbing conspiracy?

Zephyr
 

gsaldivar

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Originally posted by: Czar
that is all good and I bet their parents are just feeling great now after thinking they were dead for the last two years

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Maybe other parents in the Middle-East will think twice before letting their children play with these.

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Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
It's kind of disturbing that we put a 12 year old kid in Guantanamo....but good to hear that it was alright for him.

Not when a 12 year old has been taught to fire an AK at U.S. citizens it's not.

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
it is photochoped propganda.

Sarcasm or serious?
 

sMiLeYz

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Originally posted by: Zephyr106
Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
Originally posted by: Crimson
Wow.. coming from the Guardian too..

You have to take the things you read from it with a bit of salt, the Guardian is a known liberal mouthpiece thats part of the global liberal conspiracy to bad mouth America.

I am very interested in your comment about the global liberal conspiracy. As you may know, I am currently researching this phenomenon and hope to write a book about it. Do you have any explicit facts or references on hand that shed light on this disturbing conspiracy?

Zephyr

Come on everyone knows the liberal media exists! Read that book about CBS written by a disgruntled employee who was there! He knows the liberal media exists!

Theres a wide global liberal conspiracy to distort the truth, and misrepresent the facts. It's stretches all the way from Hollywood, the newspaper and TV media like MTV, to practically all of academia, they're indoctridating the children and making them into socialistic commies that hate america. It's a coordinated effort
by that's headed Clintons, the DNC, Micheal Moore and Al Franken. All of this is fiancially George Soros and to a lesser extent... William Buffet.
 

gsaldivar

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Originally posted by: TheSnowman
serious. blow the image up with a photo editing program and you can see the croping artifacts clearly.

I did.

I don't see any "cropping artifacts".

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kylebisme

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the most obvious part is the shadow on the elongated trigger finger which doesn't match up with the shadow on the gun itself, along with the greens and blues which are out of place in that area but match well with the green sholder ribon he is wearing and the blueness of his shirt in the shadow. also there is an unatural divot in the palm were it meets the grip of the rifle. close inspection of the front arm shows it is peiced together as well.
 

gsaldivar

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Originally posted by: TheSnowman
the most obvious part is the shadow on the elongated trigger finger which doesn't match up with the shadow on the gun itself, along with the greens and blues which are out of place in that area but match well with the green sholder ribon he is wearing and the blueness of his shirt in the shadow. also there is an unatural divot in the palm were it meets the grip of the rifle. close inspection of the front arm shows it is peiced together as well.

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Maybe you have a better eye than I do, but I checked each area you referred to and I can't see any "obvious" evidence of alteration.

The shadows all appear to be caused by sunlight directly overhead - including the shadows on the gun, and the trigger finger itself. I also used Photoshop to separate out the individual blue and green channels and find none of the "out of place" tints you are talking about.

Terrorists' "tactic" of arming women and children with guns, grenades, and bombs is a well-documented fact. I recall seeing a report just a few weeks ago, as a matter of fact, where a young woman wearing a bomb detonated herself in a fully loaded bus in Israel. Hamas claimed full responsibility, and proudly furnished a videotaped suicide note of the young woman before she marched off to do her "good deed".

There are hundreds of OTHER pictures of armed middle-eastern minors on the web. But if I chose another, you'd probably find something suspicious about that one too....

 

kylebisme

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almost forgot about this thread, but i'm glad i remembered and dug it up. please don't build up a straw man argument suggesting that i would deny any such picture, i simply saw the fishy long finger in this one so i decided to take a closer look.

as you said the sun is above, so the shadow line going down the finger looks correct but the way the shadow stops before the tip of the finger shows no depth at all. as for the out of place colors, i blew up the area so you can clearly see them as well as the lack of depth with the shadow on the finger, you can check it out here..