CSU system to hike tuition another 12%

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http://money.cnn.com/2011/07/12/pf/california_tuition_increase/index.htm?iid=HP_LN

NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- California State University said Tuesday that it will raise tuition at its 23 campuses by another 12% this fall, thanks to a deeper-than-expected $650 million cut in state funding.

The hike is in addition to a 10% tuition increase that the university system approved last November for the upcoming school year.

0Print Taking into account both tuition increases, full-time students will be paying an additional $516 per semester when they return in the fall. For a freshman, that amounts to an extra $4,128 over four years.

Tuition for full-time undergraduates enrolled in the public university will now run $5,472 a year, with fees averaging $950.

The tuition hikes come as California continues to struggle with its shrinking budget. The $2.1 billion in state funding the university will get in the upcoming school year will be the lowest level of support it's received since the 1998-1999 fiscal year. Making matters worse, CSU now enrolls 72,000 more students than it did in 1998.

"The enormous reduction to our state funding has left us with no other choice if we are to maintain quality and access to the CSU," said CSU Chancellor Charles Reed. "We will focus on serving our current students by offering as many classes and course sections as possible."

A third of the revenue from the tuition hike will go toward financial aid, the university said, adding that about 170,000 students will be fully covered by this aid or other grants and therefore won't need to worry about the tuition increase.

To address the ongoing budget cuts at the school, the university has already slashed enrollment by about 10,000 students, reduced campus budgets by $281 million and cut the Chancellor's office funding by $10.8 million. The employee count has also been slashed by 4,125 -- or nearly 9%.

And this may not be the end of the university's financial woes. If state revenue forecasts aren't met by mid-year, CSU's funding would be cut by another $100 million -- amounting to a 27% drop from the previous year.

But some argue that the school has other ways of cutting back besides raising tuition. California Governor Edmund Brown wrote a letter to CSU on Tuesday, telling the school it shouldn't pay its administrators such hefty salaries if it's looking to cut corners.

"I fear your approach to compensation is setting a pattern for public service that we cannot afford," Brown said, adding that CSU has proposed to boost administrator salaries by more than $100,000. "At a time when the state is closing its courts, laying off public school teachers and shutting senior centers, it is not right to be raising the salaries of leaders who--of necessity--must demand sacrifice from everyone else."

Presidents in the CSU school system currently earn salaries ranging from $223,584 to $350,004, according to the California State Controller's salary database.

There's a lot of interesting info in the article but I found the bolded part especially noteworthy.

CSU has a mandate to accept a certain % of the state's graduating HS seniors. That mandate has made the CSU (and UC) system bloated beyond all belief. With revenue dropping so much and state support being cut, money has to come from somewhere.

I know if I were a CSU student now I'd be pissed that I was paying 4% more just so my classmate could go to school for free. Education is becoming a commodity for the rich and the poor, the middle class is increasingly being taxed out of the system.
 

Infohawk

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The real travesty is that California is giving educational grants to illegals. We always here hardcore liberals saying that we can afford illegals but clearly in this case we can't. There are American students losing out because of these illegals.

And you're absolutely right that the middle-class is being shafted. It's coming from both sides. Republicans don't really have a plan that will preserve the middle class in this country and Democrats are actively transferring wealth from the middle class to the very poor and immigrants.
 

JSt0rm

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the education system in california is an amazing thing but I think its getting squeezed too hard. We need the economy to come back so this painful shit can stop.
 

Lithium381

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I can't remember who's sig this is in, but the quote applies to everything:

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money.

I'm barely middle class and didn't qualify for financial aid when i went to school a few years back..... tuition increases to guarantee free school for others? damnit!
 

spidey07

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And mandating illegals get in state tuition is a fabulous idea!

You reap what you sow liberals.

Lithium - that was Margret Thatcher and it rings as true today more than ever.
 

Doppel

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I'm actually struck at how cheap it still will be. Sub $6k doesn't seem that bad to me at all for a year of college.
 

Mr. Lennon

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I love the California education system. I'm going to be receiving almost 10k grants for this upcoming school year. Unfortunately people abuse the fuck out of it. My school actually started graduating students that had over 170 units. A lot of assholes were switching majors everytime they were about to complete their claimed major. These people were probably drowning in student loan debt and didn't want to face the real world.

My friend's school hasn't taken this approach yet. He finally decided to graduate after 7 years. He had around 250 units. His reason for taking all this time to graduate....grant money. Keep in mind he had a nice full time job for the last year he was taking classes...
 

Lithium381

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I love the California education system. I'm going to be receiving almost 10k grants for this upcoming school year. Unfortunately people abuse the fuck out of it. My school actually started graduating students that had over 170 units. A lot of assholes were switching majors everytime they were about to complete their claimed major. These people were probably drowning in student loan debt and didn't want to face the real world.

My friend's school hasn't taken this approach yet. He finally decided to graduate after 7 years. He had around 250 units. His reason for taking all this time to graduate....grant money. Keep in mind he had a nice full time job for the last year he was taking classes...

thank goodness we can help the truly needy
 

Mr. Lennon

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thank goodness we can help the truly needy

Yeah, then you got these kids who blow their grants/aid on Macbook Pro's. You don't need a fucking 17" MB Pro to write notes on. I'm 100% independent and all of the grant money I receive is going for me to actually LIVE. There really needs to be some sort of regulation on how students are spending this money.
 

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http://www.sacbee.com/2011/07/13/3765602/csu-hikes-tuition-and-boosts-a.html

Raise tuition on students. Pay a CSU President $100,000 more than the previous President.

The salary debate concerned Elliot Hirshman, who began earlier this month as the president of San Diego State. The board approved a compensation package for him Tuesday afternoon that includes a salary of $400,000, with $50,000 paid for with private funds from the university's foundation.

Hirshman's predecessor, Stephen Weber, earned an annual salary of $299,435 at the end of his 14-year tenure at the helm of San Diego State.
 

piasabird

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I work in a community college which is usually a 2 year degree school and you can take up to 100 credit hours for a typical 2 year 68 credit degree program. Typically if you hit the 80 credit hour boundary, you have to appeal to get more financial aid. Also you have to maintain a 75% completion rate to receive financial aid. Besides Financial Aid we have Minimum GPA requirements for Academic suspension, probation.

There are a lot of exceptions for degree programs in the medical fields, but usually they have selective admission programs and candidates are selected based on a test. If you dont score high enough you can not get in, and you can only take the test twice in 3 years. Also to apply you have to take a list of courses before an application can be submitted. We have programs like Nursing (RN), Dental Assistant/Hygene, Massage, Para Medicine, etc.
 

drebo

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The California university systems (both CSU and UC systems) are majorly fucked up.

They're already overcrowded with people who shouldn't be there. Why the fuck should tuition go up to give free rides for yet more people who probably shouldn't be there?

Jesus fucking Christ.
 

KlokWyze

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It's the next bubble. I mean, are these loans worse than ARMs? I know someone who paid $30K for a degree he didn't even recieve..... LMAO. The job market is still shit and will remain shit for many more years at the least. How are these people going to pay off these loans? A massive portion of this debt can not and will not be paid off.

Is it the federal government, education profits & non-profits or banks making these loans?
 

woolfe9999

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The real travesty is that California is giving educational grants to illegals. We always here hardcore liberals saying that we can afford illegals but clearly in this case we can't. There are American students losing out because of these illegals.

The actual number of illegals in the system: 600 in the entire UC system (10 campuses with a combined student population ~191,000). The Cal State system, which the article is about, 23 campuses, 412,000 students, 3600 are undocumented.

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/nov/15/local/la-me-illegal-students-20101116

You can check general sources for number of campuses and total student population.

Anyway, I agree with you in principle. We probably shouldn't even be admitting them. The trouble is that every time we have a thread about California budget woes, the usual suspects come out the of the woodwork to make illegals the central point of discussion. Yeah, you don't like illegals, we get it. That doesn't mean they have a larger fiscal impact than they actually, objectively, have.

- wolf
 

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The actual number of illegals in the system: 600 in the entire UC system (10 campuses with a combined student population ~191,000). The Cal State system, which the article is about, 23 campuses, 412,000 students, 3600 are undocumented.

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/nov/15/local/la-me-illegal-students-20101116

You can check general sources for number of campuses and total student population.

Anyway, I agree with you in principle. We probably shouldn't even be admitting them. The trouble is that every time we have a thread about California budget woes, the usual suspects come out the of the woodwork to make illegals the central point of discussion. Yeah, you don't like illegals, we get it. That doesn't mean they have a larger fiscal impact than they actually, objectively, have.

- wolf

So what you're saying is that you don't think the numbers are high enough to even bring it into a discussion on a random internet discussion forum? I'm sorry I missed your memo on what is substantial enough to be discussed. I'm sorry I'm wasting your time. Feel free to put me on ignore.

For any others, 4200 illegals means at least 4200 citizens or legal residents are being fucked if not more. That's a lot of REAL people. There are limited spots at these universities and they shouldn't be going to illegals.
 

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So what you're saying is that you don't think the numbers are high enough to even bring it into a discussion on a random internet discussion forum? I'm sorry I missed your memo on what is substantial enough to be discussed. I'm sorry I'm wasting your time. Feel free to put me on ignore.

For any others, 4200 illegals means at least 4200 citizens or legal residents are being fucked if not more. That's a lot of REAL people. There are limited spots at these universities and they shouldn't be going to illegals.

No I didn't say that. You're being obtuse. I am making an observation: every time California budget woes are discussed on this forum, there are a bevy of people who pop in with the same, "see, that's what California gets for tolerating those illegals," as if illegals was really the central problem in fiscal terms. What that suggests to me is that people who don't like illegals would like to pretend that illegals have a massive fiscal impact when that isn't the real issue at all.

I'm not trying to silence anyone. This is about 5th time I've seen you allege that and every time you say it, it is wrong. I am, instead, calling you out because I disagree with your post. You said, the "real tragedy" is illegals. I'm entitled to my opinion that this is a distortion of the issue. The real tragedy brought up by the OP is 491,000 students now have to pay much higher tuition. You could eliminate the 3600 undocumenteds from Cal State and you'd hradly notice any difference. Tuition would be going up by just as much.

I'm not saying we should be admitting illegals. It's a question of emphasis. Illegal alliens are a tiny part of the fiscal problems we face here. Not every problem in California is caused by the "illegal alien" boogeyman.

- wolf
 

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No I didn't say that. You're being obtuse. I am making an observation: every time California budget woes are discussed on this forum, there are a bevy of people who pop in with the same, "see, that's what California gets for tolerating those illegals," as if illegals was really the central problem in fiscal terms. What that suggests to me is that people who don't like illegals would like to pretend that illegals have a massive fiscal impact when that isn't the real issue at all.

I'm not trying to silence anyone. This is about 5th time I've seen you allege that and every time you say it, it is wrong. I am, instead, calling you out because I disagree with your post. You said, the "real tragedy" is illegals. I'm entitled to my opinion that this is a distortion of the issue. The real tragedy brought up by the OP is 491,000 students now have to pay much higher tuition. You could eliminate the 3600 undocumenteds from Cal State and you'd hradly notice any difference. Tuition would be going up by just as much.

I'm not saying we should be admitting illegals. It's a question of emphasis. Illegal alliens are a tiny part of the fiscal problems we face here. Not every problem in California is caused by the "illegal alien" boogeyman.

- wolf

I don't think I've alleged you're trying to silence anyone 5 times. Can you back that up? What I have done is point out that you have an annoying knack for finding a largely irrelevant minor point to argue about.

The real tragedy IS illegals. It's one thing to have a honest discussion about whether how should be redistributing wealth between citizens, it's quite another to be funding illegals while citizens are suffering. That is what I call a real tragedy. I never said that illegals are the biggest causes of the shortfall. The fact that California started giving grants to illegals during this current crisis is outrageous.

So, you quoted my post. Are you still trying to change my mind about something that I said in the post or are you just whining about what other posters say about illegals?
 

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I don't think I've alleged you're trying to silence anyone 5 times. Can you back that up? What I have done is point out that you have an annoying knack for finding a largely irrelevant minor point to argue about.

The real tragedy IS illegals. It's one thing to have a honest discussion about whether how should be redistributing wealth between citizens, it's quite another to be funding illegals while citizens are suffering. That is what I call a real tragedy. I never said that illegals are the biggest causes of the shortfall. The fact that California started giving grants to illegals during this current crisis is outrageous.

So, you quoted my post. Are you still trying to change my mind about something that I said in the post or are you just whining about what other posters say about illegals?

I'm not the one bringing up a "largely irrelevant minor point." In the context of a budget shortfall that is causing this large an increase in tuition, illegals are a minor point. Yes, you find it "outrageous." I disagree with because it doesn't cause me that level of emotional upset, because there are far worse problems that we face, both in California and nationally. How upsetting one finds it is probably correlated to how angry one is about the mere presence of illegals to begin with.

In any event, two people made comments about illegals without addressing any other issue related to what is causing the problems. The statistics I cited are highly relevant because the issue should be kept in perspective. Those statistics would only have been a "minor" points had illegals not already been raised in the thread. I know, it's a moral outrage if its even one, but in a thread about dollars and cents, you'll pardon me if I clarify just how many dollars and cents we're talking about. Funny how you consider your moral outrage over a narrow aspect of this to have weight and importance to the issue, but my post, in a thread about budget problems, that addresses total dollars and cents, is "minor."

- wolf
 
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drebo

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I've always blamed California's liberal-minded, think-of-the-children legislature for the budget and spending problems.
 

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I'm not the one bringing up a "largely irrelevant minor point." In the context of a budget shortfall that is causing this large an increase in tuition, illegals are a minor point. Yes, you find it "outrageous." I disagree with it but it doesn't cause me that level of emotional upset, because there are far worse problems that we face, both in California and nationally. How upsetting one finds it is probably correlated to how angry one is about the mere presence of illegals to begin with.

In any event, two people made comments about illegals without addressing any other issue related to what is causing the problems. The statistics I cited are highly relevant because the issue should be kept in perspective. Those statistics would only have been a "minor" points had illegals not already been raised in the thread. I know, it's a moral outrage if its even one, but in a thread about dollars and cents, you'll pardon me if I clarify just how many dollars and cents we're talking about.

- wolf

You don't seem to get it. I made a qualitative judgment about illegals. You're trying to correct me on a perceived quantitative argument that I did not make.
 

woolfe9999

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You don't seem to get it. I made a qualitative judgment about illegals. You're trying to correct me on a perceived quantitative argument that I did not make.

I am inferring from the fact that you and others pop into threads about big California budget issues and see fit to discuss only the issue of illegal aliens that you are suggesting that they are a major part of the problem that was raised. If you want to deny that inference, fine. But with the number of people around here who seem interested in discussing that one topic only in the context of California fiscal problems, I'm going to pop in from time to time and remind the general readership of the actual facts, just so that no one gets the impression that California fiscal problems are all about illegals, or that it's even a large portion of it. So your outrage is duly noted, but the budget problem raised in the OP remains, with or without your moral issue.

- wolf
 

Infohawk

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I am inferring from the fact that you and others pop into threads about big California budget issues and see fit to discuss only the issue of illegal aliens that you are suggesting that they are a major part of the problem that was raised. If you want to deny that inference, fine. But with the number of people around here who seem interested in discussing that one topic only in the context of California fiscal problems, I'm going to pop in from time to time and remind the general readership of the actual facts, just so that no one gets the impression that California fiscal problems are all about illegals, or that it's even a large portion of it. So your outrage is duly noted, but the budget problem raised in the OP remains, with or without your moral issue.

- wolf

General readership? Get over yourself.

This is you:
Posters: illegals are a problem.
Wolfe: there are bigger problems.
That is a crappy contribution. At least you're honest about your intentions though.
 

woolfe9999

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General readership? Get over yourself.

This is you:
Posters: illegals are a problem.
Wolfe: there are bigger problems.
That is a crappy contribution. At least you're honest about your intentions though.

You: opinion and moral outrage over something that amounts to .5% of the problem addressed by the OP, and no discussion of any other aspect of it.

Me: points out that outrage issue raised by two other posters is .5% of the problem raised by the OP, by citing hard facts.

I think other readers can weigh the relative quality of each contribution.

- wolf
 

Infohawk

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You: opinion and moral outrage over something that amounts to .5% of the problem addressed by the OP, and no discussion of any other aspect of it.

Me: points out that outrage issue raised by two other posters is .5% of the problem raised by the OP, by citing hard facts.

I think other readers can weigh the relative quality of each contribution.

- wolf

There you go again imposing a quantitative aspect to my first argument that I did not make. Again, what this really comes down to is that you are incorrectly assuming that I'm arguing this is a big percentage of the problem.