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Crysis 2 leaked

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shortylickens said:
Meh.

With all that effort into the pretty, I am worried it may not be much fun to play.
I had a much better time with Far Cry than I did Crysis or Far Cry 2.

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Just checked. It is on the internets. They werent lying. But I suspect anyone who receives or seeds this will get his ass sued quickly.
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Its also on usenet or so I've been told.
 
gorcorps said:
It's been said time and time again and people still aren't getting it... a downloaded copy does NOT always mean a lost sale
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I know that. What I'm saying is of all the people who pirate media if there was no way to pirate media they would begin to buy media. Not ALL the media of course not that is silly but they would buy *something*

Right now the situation is unsustainable. You cannot make a decent film with 2 guys sitting in a room for 6 months. You need hundreds of people working for up to 2 years. The same with games (except things like minecraft -how often does that lightning strike?). You can not continue to do that if the end product is just taken for free by a bunch of zeros.
 
JSt0rm said:
I know that. What I'm saying is of all the people who pirate media if there was no way to pirate media they would begin to buy media. Not ALL the media of course not that is silly but they would buy *something*

Right now the situation is unsustainable. You cannot make a decent film with 2 guys sitting in a room for 6 months. You need hundreds of people working for up to 2 years. The same with games (except things like minecraft -how often does that lightning strike?). You can not continue to do that if the end product is just taken for free by a bunch of zeros.
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It's a matter of mismatched incentives (and disincentives.) There's virtually no danger from pirating games, movies, etc. If, instead of taking a few random people to court (which is expensive, and results in little return on the plaintiff's investment) they lopped off a few people's hands for their thievery, you might see some reduction in piracy.

"Dude, what happened to your hands?!"
"I downloaded Crysis 2..."
"Oh man, that game wasn't even any good!"

As it stands there's no good, legal way to combat piracy, and so pirates are strangling the life out of the PC gaming industry.
 
Nebor said:
It's a matter of mismatched incentives (and disincentives.) There's virtually no danger from pirating games, movies, etc. If, instead of taking a few random people to court (which is expensive, and results in little return on the plaintiff's investment) they lopped off a few people's hands for their thievery, you might see some reduction in piracy.

"Dude, what happened to your hands?!"
"I downloaded Crysis 2..."
"Oh man, that game wasn't even any good!"

As it stands there's no good, legal way to combat piracy, and so pirates are strangling the life out of the PC gaming industry.
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I know everyone hates it but we need restrictive movement on the internet. Everyone has a right to privacy but when you walk down the sidewalk or drive your car you lose that right. This should also hold true for the data entering and leaving your home.
 
JSt0rm said:
I know everyone hates it but we need restrictive movement on the internet. Everyone has a right to privacy but when you walk down the sidewalk or drive your car you lose that right. This should also hold true for the data entering and leaving your home.
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What's going on with "certified" computing? Wherein every byte of data has to carry a digital signature, and your processor will only deal with data that is properly signed? Sort of like HDCP for bluray players and TVs, but due to processors being replaced far more often than bluray players & TVs, it would be a more effective system. It would have to be cracked every time a new processor comes out, and it took them ~7 years to crack HDCP.
 
JSt0rm said:
I know that. What I'm saying is of all the people who pirate media if there was no way to pirate media they would begin to buy media. Not ALL the media of course not that is silly but they would buy *something*

Right now the situation is unsustainable. You cannot make a decent film with 2 guys sitting in a room for 6 months. You need hundreds of people working for up to 2 years. The same with games (except things like minecraft -how often does that lightning strike?). You can not continue to do that if the end product is just taken for free by a bunch of zeros.
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So the studios aren't making any money these days from movies or games right? 🙄

Look at the profits for the various movie and game companies, they are higher then ever. Piracy is not a good thing but the "losses" associated with it are grossly overstated.

"Home Taping Is Killing Music....and its illegal"

Same story different decade.
 
I just had an argument with a friend of mine from college about this. He's part of the "I wouldn't buy it so it doesn't matter if I steal it" crowd. I pointed out that the person who smashed his car window and stole his radio couldn't afford a radio, so what else were they to do? He said that's different, it's a physical object. Making a copy isn't stealing anything. To me, as an economist, whether something is tangible or not, it has value. Your time has value, your effort has value. So when you pirate that game, it's no different than someone stealing something of value from you. Because of you, that developer's kids won't be getting vaccinations this year. He reasoned, "you mean they won't be getting ferraris this year."

And I think that captures a lot of the argument. The entitled attitude of pirates drive me nuts. It's their way of "sticking it to the man" because he's just some faceless rich guy, so it's ok to steal from him.
 
Nebor said:
I just had an argument with a friend of mine from college about this. He's part of the "I wouldn't buy it so it doesn't matter if I steal it" crowd. I pointed out that the person who smashed his car window and stole his radio couldn't afford a radio, so what else were they to do? He said that's different, it's a physical object. Making a copy isn't stealing anything. To me, as an economist, whether something is tangible or not, it has value. Your time has value, your effort has value. So when you pirate that game, it's no different than someone stealing something of value from you. Because of you, that developer's kids won't be getting vaccinations this year. He reasoned, "you mean they won't be getting ferraris this year."

And I think that captures a lot of the argument. The entitled attitude of pirates drive me nuts. It's their way of "sticking it to the man" because he's just some faceless rich guy, so it's ok to steal from him.
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Excellent post. I agree wholeheartedly.
 
As a pc gamer myself I don't like it anymore then the developers, but last year Call of Duty alone raked in a cool billion dollars and that kind of money attracts attention. Something like half the cargo on ships today is counterfeit and a quarter of the world's billionaires are drug cartels. Its the wild west out there complete with cattle barons, railroad barons, desperadoes, and Injuns.

To expect the internet or gaming industries to be different is foolish. You might as well spit into the wind and then complain to your congressman.
 
JSt0rm said:
I know everyone hates it but we need restrictive movement on the internet. Everyone has a right to privacy but when you walk down the sidewalk or drive your car you lose that right. This should also hold true for the data entering and leaving your home.
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That's a pretty big leap and an issue of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Getting 'restrictive' movement on the internet opens the pandora's box of letting governments and corporations decide what you should and shouldn't be able to do or say online. I think the status quo is a good balance, can you imagine a world in which simply stating an unpopular but non-violent political opinion got you arrested in real life? Or an internet that buried stories about corporate malfeasance and negative reviews of their products? Company X has partnership with Company Y, who 'owns' a dominant ISP. Person Z posts negative review of product of Company X, gets his internet account frozen, content is blocked/deleted, and has to pay a fine to restore his service for violation of their 'standards'.

As you can see from sales year on year, good products make money. Piracy sucks, but I can't support substantive changes to the internet that will be oppressive just to chase them down. It's enough already that we legitimate buyers of music and games have to put up with multiple layers of DRM software, sometimes to the level of having to run online applications to play single-player games, or feeling like a criminal when we re-encode legally purchased content to play on different devices.
 
JSt0rm said:
I know everyone hates it but we need restrictive movement on the internet. Everyone has a right to privacy but when you walk down the sidewalk or drive your car you lose that right. This should also hold true for the data entering and leaving your home.
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Rather all studios stop developing for PCs than some bullshit like this, you're crazy.
 
Nebor said:
It's a matter of mismatched incentives (and disincentives.) There's virtually no danger from pirating games, movies, etc. If, instead of taking a few random people to court (which is expensive, and results in little return on the plaintiff's investment) they lopped off a few people's hands for their thievery, you might see some reduction in piracy.

"Dude, what happened to your hands?!"
"I downloaded Crysis 2..."
"Oh man, that game wasn't even any good!"

As it stands there's no good, legal way to combat piracy, and so pirates are strangling the life out of the PC gaming industry.
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Why don't we stone them while we're a it? Maybe their first born as well? Who cares if the punishment fits the crime as long as the ends justify the means....No thanks, I'd prefer not to live in a police state because some people like copying video games.

The way I see it, the media companies have had damn near total control over their product until the internet. They have not yet adapted to the reality that on the internet, people get to have it their way. They don't have to wait for the time and place that the media company says you can access their media in whatever shape or form. People want to be able to access it where they want, when they want, how they want, and they may not be willing or able to pay the price they set. They may not want to pay $80 a month for cable to access the one channel with the one show they want, and they may not want to wait months for it to come out on DVD. They may not want to get raped for $15 to see a movie in theaters.

Sure, so much of it is driven by wanting to get stuff for free. But I believe when presented with a reasonable choice, people will choose to do the right thing. Let's turn to crysis 2 as an example. The game isn't out yet....and why the hell not? It's done! People are already pirating it, so why can't you download it off steam? So once it's out, people will still be pirating...didn't the iOS app store and these steam sales teach anyone yet that digital distribution is not the same as shipping boxes? That you can make as much if not more money by selling 1000 at $5 instead of 100 at $50. But they seem to want to take all the advantages of digital distribution as profit on their end, and filter none of that back down. People won't accept that as long as they have a choice.

I honestly believe that eventually the media companies will adapt to the new reality, or they'll die. Lopping off hands isn't going to help.
 
First off this could just be a cheap alpha test. I mean if the game sucks they can say, hey it's not finally we did not release it. Plus they can just say "We told you pirating is a PITA on pc". On torrent sites console sections usually have much more options and are more active but well... PC is evil.

Anway I can't believe a lot of people in the company have access to this. And if that it is logged who accessed it. So one would assume it was done on purpose or they have ridiculous access/security in their systems.

Nebor said:
I just had an argument with a friend of mine from college about this. He's part of the "I wouldn't buy it so it doesn't matter if I steal it" crowd. I pointed out that the person who smashed his car window and stole his radio couldn't afford a radio, so what else were they to do? He said that's different, it's a physical object. Making a copy isn't stealing anything. To me, as an economist, whether something is tangible or not, it has value. Your time has value, your effort has value. So when you pirate that game, it's no different than someone stealing something of value from you. Because of you, that developer's kids won't be getting vaccinations this year. He reasoned, "you mean they won't be getting ferraris this year."

And I think that captures a lot of the argument. The entitled attitude of pirates drive me nuts. It's their way of "sticking it to the man" because he's just some faceless rich guy, so it's ok to steal from him.
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I agree with your friend. I would never pirate games because of the obvious reasons but with media? No body loses 1 cent if I download like episodes of House. TV ratings are just statistics. Few people have special device that sends data which is then used for these ratings which are nothing else than extrapolations. If you don't have such a device (and you would know it), whatever you do has no influence on tv ratings and hence how much the channel earns with commercials.
I save time (commercial breaks already cut out) and can watch the episode whenever I like. There also are a tons of other reasons.
 
jacc1234 said:
So the studios aren't making any money these days from movies or games right? 🙄

Look at the profits for the various movie and game companies, they are higher then ever. Piracy is not a good thing but the "losses" associated with it are grossly overstated.

"Home Taping Is Killing Music....and its illegal"

Same story different decade.
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Only difference is that the movie and game companies are getting lawmakers to write laws for them that allow them to rape small time pirates!
 
djmartins said:
Only difference is that the movie and game companies are getting lawmakers to write laws for them that allow them to rape small time pirates!
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I seriously don't know how those lawyers can sleep at night. What they do is basically legalized extortion.
 
BD2003 said:
I seriously don't know how those lawyers can sleep at night. What they do is basically legalized extortion.
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I seriously don't know how those pirates can sleep at night. What they are doing is is basically "legalized" theft...

Cart before horse always seems to be the pirates "excuse".

Three things that cause piracy:
1. Selfish, self-entitled immaturity.
2. No fear of punishment.
3. Cheap broadband.
 
Nebor said:
I just had an argument with a friend of mine from college about this. He's part of the "I wouldn't buy it so it doesn't matter if I steal it" crowd. I pointed out that the person who smashed his car window and stole his radio couldn't afford a radio, so what else were they to do? He said that's different, it's a physical object. Making a copy isn't stealing anything. To me, as an economist, whether something is tangible or not, it has value. Your time has value, your effort has value. So when you pirate that game, it's no different than someone stealing something of value from you. Because of you, that developer's kids won't be getting vaccinations this year. He reasoned, "you mean they won't be getting ferraris this year."

And I think that captures a lot of the argument. The entitled attitude of pirates drive me nuts. It's their way of "sticking it to the man" because he's just some faceless rich guy, so it's ok to steal from him.
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Can you really not see the difference between those scenarios? jesus...
 
Meh, I haven't really cared about any sort of gaming for a while now. Oh look, another FPS.. Whats that? You can turn invisible for 10 seconds as opposed to 5?

PC gaming is dieing because big name studios are trying less and less to put out new ideas. The last one tried this was spore, and it got smacked down because of the crazy DRM scheme attached to it (which, sadly, will probably be misinterpreted causing the gaming industry to be even less willing to do something different).

Console game development thrives for 2 reasons in my mind.
1. Consoles are somewhat easy to develop for. You get it working with your console, you get it working for all consoles.
2. Console gamers seem to expect new games to be like old games. See, All of EA sports for what I'm talking about. Which again translates into lower development costs and a constant revenue stream.

Piracy is an issue that is starting to balloon out of control. However, it has become a catch all excuse for pulling out of the PC market. The bottom line is, the PC market is less lucrative than the console market.




Now, onto a tangent. DRM on movies and music to prevent piracy is simply retarded. No matter what you do, the most advanced DRM scheme in the world will be broken by a camcorder or a microphone. Media that is meant to be viewed exactly the same way every time can't be protected by DRM. Sorry big media.
 
Nebor said:
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As it stands there's no good, legal way to combat piracy, and so pirates are strangling the life out of the PC gaming industry.
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This is a misconceived notion. They are NOT. Check the stats. It's not just the PC market affected by this. The same thing happens for nearly everything that can be digitally distributed. As anticipated as Crysis 2 is, it will sell, assuming it doesn't suck. Since it's been leaked, the only reason it would fail is if it gets around that it is horrible, and even then it will still probably sell because people are dumb, but unfortunately, if it fails, it will be blamed on piracy instead of the REAL reason.

1. Our game didn't sell. Damn Pirates!
2. Our game broke records! But we would have sold more if it weren't for those damn Pirates!
3. Our game sucks. I blame Pirates!
4. Our game was leaked by inside sources and pirates downloaded it, played it, wrote up a rave review and we sold millions! Those bastards!
5. Our game was leaked by inside sources and pirates downloaded it, played it, wrote up a review trashing it. Game didn't sell. It's because of those Pirates!

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Disclaimer: Poster does not condone violence, trolling, pirating, or sex with animals.
 
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JSt0rm said:
I know everyone hates it but we need restrictive movement on the internet. Everyone has a right to privacy but when you walk down the sidewalk or drive your car you lose that right. This should also hold true for the data entering and leaving your home.
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This might be awesome if they also ban internet trolls and keyboard ninjas, and put a minimum age limit on it so that you have to be 18 or 21 to access the internet, that way you are legal age to be thrown in jail for illegally downloading "My Little Pony Hair Cutting Salon 5"
 
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