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Crying over here!!! Where are the phones with HSPDA 1700 support???

GTaudiophile

GTaudiophile

Lifer
Either T-Mobile USA doesn't do a damn thing to get OEMs to make phones that support their 3G frequency or AT&T is getting its revenge by preventing the OEMs from doing so!

I mean, WTF?

All these cool phones from Sony, Nokia, Moto, etc. and not a one of them supports HSPDA 1700!!!

The new Droid 4 is about as close to perfect a phone for me, but I guess TMO is making me choose between a cool phone and nearly 10 years of dependable and reliable service. I can't have both!

TMO: Get off your asses and get some OEMs to adjust their freaking radios to support the 1700 band. Can it be THAT difficult???
 
Hopefully next gen exynos is 42mbps HSPA+ pentaband like the GNex and thus we won't have to worry about this.
 
I'd bet dollars to donuts that ATT is paying a pretty penny to keep T-mo from getting the really good stuff. ATT has a vested interest now to squash T-mobile, especially since they can't buy them. There's probably some underhanded shens going on to prevent the best phones from going to t-mo.
 
GTaudiophile said:
I want a GNex mini: 3.7-4.0" display. Then I'd buy one ASAP.
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No you won't. You have no idea what you want. The only thing you want is a cheap phone on T-Mobile.

That Droid 4 you linked is a nasty phone. I wouldn't take one for free on contract. You bitch you want free hotspot tethering built in and AOSP and you pick a Motorola phone with MotoBlur? Are you for real?

The mom's phone you want is already out on T-Mobile. They had for months already. It's called myTouch 4G Slide. It's 3.7" slider phone with hardware keyboard. If that nasty Droid 4 was close your perfect phone, myTouch 4G Slide is right up your ally.

I would say T-Mobile is doing pretty decent job of bringing different phones here given how they're budget carrier. Do you see any good phones on Virgin or MetroPCS? T-Mobile lineup has been somewhat competitive and definitely respectable. T-Mobile was the first carrier to get Nexus One and Nexus S. They brought over Sensation earlier last year. myTouch 4g Slider, Galaxy S2, and HTC Amaze. And that's just off top of my head. Oh yeah I forgot about LG G2X which was one of the first dual-core Tegra2 phones on the market early last year to compete with the Atrix. That's good number of Android devices.

I would bitch and complain about T-Mobile poor 3g/4g coverage outside major cities before I complained about their phone lineup. The only better phones other carriers have are the iPhone 4S and VZ GNex. Rest are pretty similar. And since you can import GSM GNex and use it on T-Mobile, iPhone is only thing missing.
 
(US) Carriers dictate terms to OEM's, no carrier wants to finance their handsets to be used elsewhere in a subsidy based market, it's the service that's profitable for them. AT&T is far superior in selection of the GSM flavor. T-Mobile didn't have a >4" Android phone until Sensation and I'm sure T-Mobile users would have liked the option to buy a Titan or the option to pick up a AT&T SGS2 and simply plug in their SIM. T-Mobile plays the same game but their selection is inferior so there isn't much to want from AT&T's user perspective as it is the other way around.

It's not a coincidence as now that carriers are losing the grip on HSPA compatibility they aim to continue same old game with avoiding LTE compatibility as well. That carrier logo on your phone, it's there for a reason.

If FCC had balls, they would have set consumer friendly interoperability guidelines ages ago. Carrier pricing would have been different though if their top phones (iphone for example) were fully compatible and were unlocked. T-MO even officially said to have been pursuing the iphone for years. Apple's preferred contract size may have been to big for T-Mobile to swallow but I'm pretty sure that Hesse didn't want them to make one for T-Mobile anyway, much like AT&T and VZW before that.
 
The problem is that UTMS Band 4 (1700mhz) is only used in the US, Canada, and Chile. Manufacturers don't want to go to thru the expense to add 1700mhz when almost no one will use it. The bands AT&T uses (2 and 5) are used in several countries besides the US and Canada.
 
uli2000 said:
The problem is that UTMS Band 4 (1700mhz) is only used in the US, Canada, and Chile. Manufacturers don't want to go to thru the expense to add 1700mhz when almost no one will use it. The bands AT&T uses (2 and 5) are used in several countries besides the US and Canada.
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Dude, what are you talking about ??
ATT uses 850mhz and 1900mhz for their 3G and pretty much noone uses that outside the US and Canada.
Most of the world uses 2100mhz for their 3G band.
 
kaerflog said:
Dude, what are you talking about ??
ATT uses 850mhz and 1900mhz for their 3G and pretty much noone uses that outside the US and Canada.
Most of the world uses 2100mhz for their 3G band.
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Band II (W-CDMA 1900) in North America and South America (ITU Region 2).
Band V (W-CDMA 850) in Australia (Telstra NextG, Vodafone), Hong Kong (SmarTone-Vodafone), Thailand (True move and DTAC), New Zealand (XT Mobile Network), Brazil, Canada, the USA, Guatemala, Costa Rica, Dominican Republic (Claro),Venezuela, other parts of South America, Israel (Pelephone[5], Cellcom[6]), parts of Asia (ITU Region 2 and ITU Region 3), Poland (Sferia)

Band IV (W-CDMA 1700 or Advanced Wireless Services) in the United States (T-Mobile USA) and Canada (WIND Mobile, Mobilicity, Vidéotron)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands

Do agree though, having pentaband phones would be so much easier.
 
ImDonly1 said:
Band II (W-CDMA 1900) in North America and South America (ITU Region 2).
Band V (W-CDMA 850) in Australia (Telstra NextG, Vodafone), Hong Kong (SmarTone-Vodafone), Thailand (True move and DTAC), New Zealand (XT Mobile Network), Brazil, Canada, the USA, Guatemala, Costa Rica, Dominican Republic (Claro),Venezuela, other parts of South America, Israel (Pelephone[5], Cellcom[6]), parts of Asia (ITU Region 2 and ITU Region 3), Poland (Sferia)

Band IV (W-CDMA 1700 or Advanced Wireless Services) in the United States (T-Mobile USA) and Canada (WIND Mobile, Mobilicity, Vidéotron)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands

Do agree though, having pentaband phones would be so much easier.
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Nothing wrong with my statement.
A few countries in South America.
Like I said most of the world uses 2100mhz.
 
Most US phones are bought through carriers so they dictate the terms which almost certainly limit compatibility to the network that ordered them. Only career agnostic phones come in the penta band flavor and only the very few that don't have sibling versions compliant with carrier terms. Pentaband is cute but carriers will keep their grip on us with the switch to LTE.
 
kaerflog said:
Nothing wrong with my statement.
A few countries in South America.
Like I said most of the world uses 2100mhz.
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Bottom line is....

2100 is to 850/1900 as
850/1900 is to 1700.

Meaning as small as the 850/1900 population is, its at least decent sized compared to 1700. So if anything you have a good chance of getting 850/1900 band phones like the SGS2, whereas on 1700 you're SCREWED.

This has nothing to do with AT&T keeping phones out of T-Mobiles hands but stupid band selection in the US. Fragmentation of frequencies only makes it more difficult for interoperability, and instead we're ALWAYS sitting here waiting for an exclusive carrier phone.
 
DLeRium said:
Bottom line is....

2100 is to 850/1900 as
850/1900 is to 1700.

Meaning as small as the 850/1900 population is, its at least decent sized compared to 1700. So if anything you have a good chance of getting 850/1900 band phones like the SGS2, whereas on 1700 you're SCREWED.

This has nothing to do with AT&T keeping phones out of T-Mobiles hands but stupid band selection in the US. Fragmentation of frequencies only makes it more difficult for interoperability, and instead we're ALWAYS sitting here waiting for an exclusive carrier phone.
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Tmobile has less phones, but imo they've had the top phones. Heck, the Nexus One and Galaxy Nexus both support tmobile bands, and tmobile had the first (or one of the first) dual core phones in the g2x. If you're not on a tmobile contract-less plan, you're doing it wrong.
 
DLeRium said:
Bottom line is....

2100 is to 850/1900 as
850/1900 is to 1700.

Meaning as small as the 850/1900 population is, its at least decent sized compared to 1700. So if anything you have a good chance of getting 850/1900 band phones like the SGS2, whereas on 1700 you're SCREWED.

This has nothing to do with AT&T keeping phones out of T-Mobiles hands but stupid band selection in the US. Fragmentation of frequencies only makes it more difficult for interoperability, and instead we're ALWAYS sitting here waiting for an exclusive carrier phone.
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t-mo was the last carrier to enter the US market so they had to get the left over frequencies no one wanted
 
ponyo said:
No you won't. You have no idea what you want. The only thing you want is a cheap phone on T-Mobile.

That Droid 4 you linked is a nasty phone. I wouldn't take one for free on contract. You bitch you want free hotspot tethering built in and AOSP and you pick a Motorola phone with MotoBlur? Are you for real?

The mom's phone you want is already out on T-Mobile. They had for months already. It's called myTouch 4G Slide. It's 3.7" slider phone with hardware keyboard. If that nasty Droid 4 was close your perfect phone, myTouch 4G Slide is right up your ally.

I would say T-Mobile is doing pretty decent job of bringing different phones here given how they're budget carrier. Do you see any good phones on Virgin or MetroPCS? T-Mobile lineup has been somewhat competitive and definitely respectable. T-Mobile was the first carrier to get Nexus One and Nexus S. They brought over Sensation earlier last year. myTouch 4g Slider, Galaxy S2, and HTC Amaze. And that's just off top of my head. Oh yeah I forgot about LG G2X which was one of the first dual-core Tegra2 phones on the market early last year to compete with the Atrix. That's good number of Android devices.

I would bitch and complain about T-Mobile poor 3g/4g coverage outside major cities before I complained about their phone lineup. The only better phones other carriers have are the iPhone 4S and VZ GNex. Rest are pretty similar. And since you can import GSM GNex and use it on T-Mobile, iPhone is only thing missing.
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Hardware QWERTY hater.
 
alent1234 said:
t-mo was the last carrier to enter the US market so they had to get the left over frequencies no one wanted
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Uh. Only in the US we forbid carriers to be interoperable. The rest of the world shares 2100 meaning the 20x carriers that can operate in European countries can share frequencies. What forbid T-Mobile from using 850/1900 as well?
 
DLeRium said:
Uh. Only in the US we forbid carriers to be interoperable. The rest of the world shares 2100 meaning the 20x carriers that can operate in European countries can share frequencies. What forbid T-Mobile from using 850/1900 as well?
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Spectrum licenses.
 
there are blocks of 850/1900 that are licensed. i don't know the entire history but my guess is by the time t-mo came here all those blocks were licensed already. it's not like you can just make up your own frequencies.

kind of like IP blocks. Apple, Cisco and others who were in the game first have the class A blocks even if they aren't using the entire thing.

it's not like you can share the same frequencies
 
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